BVG Fired

[smerky]

We ain't winning anything this year, outside of the Scrubbing Bubbles bowl. And why? Because of BK's appalling lack of judgment in retaining BVG.

I've already accepted the fact that we're not going to be in a Bowl game this year (at least one you'll be bragging about). Not ready to write off the program, 'cause a much need change was made late.

 

[Classic Irish]

I knew the Defense was horrible 24 games ago. You didn't Wow.

You are naive to not see that he (BK) is so egotistical that it took someone to pull him aside.

Huh? Please point out where I said that the defense hasn't been consistently bad under BVG? Not only are you naive, but you also make things up. No wonder you believe whatever you hear.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Loy saying this was Kelly's call.

Loy'd


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[Cali_domer]

Loy saying this was Kelly's call.

Now I know it was Swarbrick.

 

[Cali_domer]

Huh? Please point out where I said that the defense hasn't been consistently bad under BVG? Not only are you naive, but you also make things up. No wonder you believe whatever you hear.

I'm not fighting with you child.. Just put you on ignore. Learn to not be condescending and we can talk.

 

[Classic Irish]

I'm not fighting with you child.. Just put you on ignore. Learn to not be condescending and we can talk.

Learn not to be so naive, and maybe people will take you seriously.

 

[Irish4Life09]

WTF does that have to do with Lizzy Seeberg, who I bolded for a reason?

As I also stated, I said probably. We all know ND did everything they could to direct blame away from themselves. I have no doubt in my mind Kelly was part of the problem. It was his player/players that were part of that situation. Sorry, not sorry that you don't like my own opinion.

 

[Cackalacky]

BK said he was evaluating BVG since the Texas loss but last year results were a factor too. So we did not seeenough last year?

My only guess is that he was allowing BVG to coach this year and see what he could do with the new guys. Then Max, then injuries which exposed poor fundamentals ignored in lieu of installing complex NFL style scheme. All in all it appears to me we now have to waste a full year of prep because BK gave BVG a full offseason and quarter of a season.

 

[Meatloaf]

At least we know that BK reads our forums

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly said he had been evaluating a VanGorder move since the Texas game. Acknowledges last season’s results also a factor.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/780110060487712768">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

When does Kelly fire himself?

 

[dad4aa]

Does anyone believe we at least have the talent that, if Hudson can install a much simpler scheme, we can be decent enough to win if we score 35 points and finish 7-5 or 8-4?

 

[drayer54]

Does anyone believe we at least have the talent that, if Hudson can install a much simpler scheme, we can be decent enough to win if we score 35 points and finish 7-5 or 8-4?

I'm not sure about 8-4, but a turnaround is possible.

 

[IrishLax]

As I also stated, I said probably. We all know ND did everything they could to direct blame away from themselves. I have no doubt in my mind Kelly was part of the problem. It was his player/players that were part of that situation. Sorry, not sorry that you don't like my own opinion.

Your series of posts in this thread is clownish. You're quoting an article by avowed Notre Dame hater And troll Gregg Doyle (seriously, go read his shit circa 2012 and so forth) and acting like it's good, accurate journalism by an unbiased source.

Then you're blaming Kelly for something he has LITERALLY no control over, in Lizzy Seeberg. He didn't recruit Shembo, didn't investigate allegations, didn't prosecute the allegations, and wasnt a mental health professional for either SMC or ND. It is absolutely mind blowing to me how people like you who know absolutely nothing about the situation or people involved can come to judgments not only about what happened, but about BRIAN KELLY'S "responsibility" in the matter. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

And the Sullivans don't blame Kelly or ND, so good to know you have more right to an opinion than they do. Clown.

 

[dad4aa]

So what is everyone's thoughts in regard to recruiting. Does this:

1) hurt us
2) help us
3) depends on who actual replacement will be

 

[NorthDakota]

So what is everyone's thoughts in regard to recruiting. Does this:

1) hurt us
2) help us
3) depends on who actual replacement will be

I have no idea how it can actually hurt.

 

[Irish4Life09]

Your series of posts in this thread is clownish. You're quoting an article by avowed Notre Dame hater And troll Gregg Doyle (seriously, go read his shit circa 2012 and so forth) and acting like it's good, accurate journalism by an unbiased source.

Then you're blaming Kelly for something he has LITERALLY no control over, in Lizzy Seeberg. He didn't recruit Shembo, didn't investigate allegations, didn't prosecute the allegations, and wasnt a mental health professional for either SMC or ND. It is absolutely mind blowing to me how people like you who know absolutely nothing about the situation or people involved can come to judgments not only about what happened, but about BRIAN KELLY'S "responsibility" in the matter. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

And the Sullivans don't blame Kelly or ND, so good to know you have more right to an opinion than they do. Clown.

First, I never once quoted the article. I simply said he had valid points. All of these instances are reasons someone like Kelly should be let go. It's building a case against someone, just any normal job.The Sullivans may not publicly blame Kelly, but you're a damn fool if you think they dont blame him AND ND in their hearts for his wrongful death. How can you defend him? He had no business putting him up on that lift in those conditions.
Secondly, I don't squarely put the blame on Kelly for Seeberg. Yet I do believe he had a part in what ended up being the result. The football team and the university threw her under the bus and did NOTHING when she came to them. She was then so distraught she took her own life. I feel terrible for her. That is a horrible situation. I love ND and the program, but they were all completely in the wrong on this situation.

 

[NDgradstudent]

So what is everyone's thoughts in regard to recruiting. Does this:

1) hurt us
2) help us
3) depends on who actual replacement will be

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Recruits react to Brian VanGorder's firing, holding steady in their commitments. <a href="https://t.co/v402lkz2aM">https://t.co/v402lkz2aM</a></p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/780120378173558784">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Top CB target 4-star Thomas Graham on how BVG being gone affects his recruitment w/ ND: "It does nothing"</p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/status/780128172520140801">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Good to know our DC was having such a big impact on recruiting.

 

[LoveThee]

This move was definitely necessary to stop a mutiny in the locker room IMO. Going forward, this season is probably going to be hard to salvage in any meaningful way. I think it will help in recruiting, simply because BVG didn't seem like much of a recruiter anyway and players could easily see his system wouldn't work. Nobody wants to be a part of a crappy unit.

Where this gets really interesting is if Kelly's agent has him on the market immediately and we start hearing rumors about this. Guess I didn't realize just how much Sheldon Day and Jaylon covered up incompetence from the staff.

ND is clearly a more attractive position than when Kelly came in, I think they could pull a top coach.

 

[irishff1014]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Recruits react to Brian VanGorder's firing, holding steady in their commitments. <a href="https://t.co/v402lkz2aM">https://t.co/v402lkz2aM</a></p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/780120378173558784">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Top CB target 4-star Thomas Graham on how BVG being gone affects his recruitment w/ ND: "It does nothing"</p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/status/780128172520140801">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Good to know our DC was having such a big impact on recruiting.

Woot woot

 

[NDokie13]

I definitely buy the idea that it was Kelly's call and that he's been considering it for awhile. I think his public support for BVG was frustrating for fans, but what else was he supposed to do (besides of course fire him earlier)? As long as he's the coach, you can't publicly undermine him. Whether you question Kelly or not, he's an experienced head coach who's had a lot of success, and the notion that everyone on the planet could know that BVG needs to go except him just doesn't hold water. And I doubt Swarbrick would pull a Jerry Jones move like that. If he did, then their relationship is really in the toilet and things are a lot worse than we realize. I doubt that's the case, though.

 

[arrowryan]

Bo Pelini anyone?

 

[NDRock]

First, I never once quoted the article. I simply said he had valid points. All of these instances are reasons someone like Kelly should be let go. It's building a case against someone, just any normal job.The Sullivans may not publicly blame Kelly, but you're a damn fool if you think they dont blame him AND ND in their hearts for his wrongful death. How can you defend him? He had no business putting him up on that lift in those conditions.
Secondly, I don't squarely put the blame on Kelly for Seeberg. Yet I do believe he had a part in what ended up being the result. The football team and the university threw her under the bus and did NOTHING when she came to them. She was then so distraught she took her own life. I feel terrible for her. That is a horrible situation. I love ND and the program, but they were all completely in the wrong on this situation.

Honestly, what should Kelly have don for Seeberg?

 

[irishff1014]

Bo Pelini anyone?

A poster on 247 said he heard Bo was called after the MSU game but wouldn't go into any more info.

 

[kmoose]

As I also stated, I said probably. We all know ND did everything they could to direct blame away from themselves. I have no doubt in my mind Kelly was part of the problem. It was his player/players that were part of that situation. Sorry, not sorry that you don't like my own opinion.

When did I say that I say that I didn't like it. I was just trying to figure out how you think Kelly "probably" contributed to the death of Lizzy Seeberg. What could/didn't Kelly do, that led to her death, in your opinion?

 

[NDRock]

Does anyone believe we at least have the talent that, if Hudson can install a much simpler scheme, we can be decent enough to win if we score 35 points and finish 7-5 or 8-4?

I think the shitshow that is our defense is going to take a lot longer than a week to fix. Hopefully, Hudson works on fundamentals like tackling and gets the young guys plenty of work. Fact is, we're playing for next year.

 

[IrishLax]

Does anyone believe we at least have the talent that, if Hudson can install a much simpler scheme, we can be decent enough to win if we score 35 points and finish 7-5 or 8-4?

No, not really. I don't think we have much developed talent on defense right now. I don't think there is any saving this defense, we just went through the second easiest part of our schedule 1-3. It's hard to see us getting to 7-5.

 

[NorthDakota]

This move was definitely necessary to stop a mutiny in the locker room IMO. Going forward, this season is probably going to be hard to salvage in any meaningful way. I think it will help in recruiting, simply because BVG didn't seem like much of a recruiter anyway and players could easily see his system wouldn't work. Nobody wants to be a part of a crappy unit.

Where this gets really interesting is if Kelly's agent has him on the market immediately and we start hearing rumors about this. Guess I didn't realize just how much Sheldon Day and Jaylon covered up incompetence from the staff.

ND is clearly a more attractive position than when Kelly came in, I think they could pull a top coach.

Bo Pelini would be a fun DC. Or me. I'm available.

 

[pkt77242]

No, not really. I don't think we have much developed talent on defense right now. I don't think there is any saving this defense, we just went through the second easiest part of our schedule 1-3. It's hard to see us getting to 7-5.

If our defense can improve a little bit I see it like this:
9-3: 5%
8-4: 30%
7-5: 50%
6-6: 10%
5-7: 5%

Now if our defense can't get any better or gets worse, well that is a different story.

 

[koonja]

I would absolutely love Pelini for our dc. And the twitter account that comes with it.

 

[Booslum31]

This thread was about "when BVG would be fired". He was fired...it's over.

 

[Redbar]

Does anyone believe we at least have the talent that, if Hudson can install a much simpler scheme, we can be decent enough to win if we score 35 points and finish 7-5 or 8-4?

IMO, we have dealt with one of the most visible issues plaguing this team. There are at least two other large issues. 1. Strength and conditioning program. We are just being manhandled by lesser programs. Guys are not physically developing from year to year, and I don't even need to mention the injury bug that has plagued us. 2a. Some really weak special teams and little to no tight end development. Booker seems like another really nice young man, but he is not ready for major college football. 2b. Coach Lyght seems to be less than prepared for championship level coaching. Coach Kelly needs to step outside his comfort zone and challenge himself with some established coaches who know how to win football games even if they come in with their own ideas on how to get that job done.