BVG Fired

[5thHorseman]

This post is so much more useful than the "no excuses" posts. So often college football is win and everything is great, lose everything sucks.

It's like every year how the OL doesn't just pancake every DLman on every play starting in the first game, and we all questioned the quality of the line. But then by the end of the year they look good, are statistically excellent, and get kids drafted high. We all spend the off-season praising HH. Rinse, wash, repeat. The emotional reaction isn't always the right one.

Here, a lot sucked, but there are a lot of factors playing into why a lot of it was Texas just being effective. Swoops scored like 14 TDs last year and they ran over a lot of schools when they could not pass AT ALL. They now have some passing weapons and it makes for a interesting offense, especially when our safety play is so questionable.

My Texas friend who re-watched the game on the Texas network where they take out all the time between snaps said that we lost because we took Kizer out. He also noted that out OL was very effective. Our defense did not stop them, but that may turn out to be because they are hard to stop. This was Texas, not West Texas Tech--maybe they're pretty good on top of our mistakes.

ND has a lot of years where a mediocre team, like Wake Forest, will slow us down more than, say, Stanford or USC. Texas beat Oklahoma and Baylor, and lost to Iowa State last year. What does that mean? Alabama didn't stop Clemson last year. USC, and all their talent, didn't even slow Alabama down.

Saban sold his soul to the devil for Alabama to always be that much better than whoever they're playing.

 

[bkess8]

If BVG's defense gives up more than 20 tomorrow I'm starting a gofundme page!

 

[Guest]

Toryan and Brian Smith on Huddlecast recently remarked that they had four key play on defense under Davie, and ran them over and over. Everyone knew their assignment on every play and that made them effective. Toryan remarked that the defenders looked lost to him in the TX game and he thought BVG needed to just run basic defense to help his players.

 

[RyCo1983]

Sunday.
Van Gorder gets fired on Sunday.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Sunday.
Van Gorder gets fired on Sunday.

Please let this be true.

 

[DillonHall]

Toryan and Brian Smith on Huddlecast recently remarked that they had four key play on defense under Davie, and ran them over and over. Everyone knew their assignment on every play and that made them effective. Toryan remarked that the defenders looked lost to him in the TX game and he thought BVG needed to just run basic defense to help his players.

LOL what do those guys know about playing good defense?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Please let this be true.

Not sure I'd be wishing for that. BvG losing his job on Sunday probably means we just lost to Nevada, and are now 0-2.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

This post is so much more useful than the "no excuses" posts. So often college football is win and everything is great, lose everything sucks.

don't hang around this board much? Some of the wins lead to more chaos than losses here...

 

[NDgradstudent]

Not sure I'd be wishing for that. BvG losing his job on Sunday probably means we just lost to Nevada, and are now 0-2.

Or maybe it means we won 60-50. Not unrealistic imo, the D sucks.

 

[Downinthebend]

If you wanted to watch purely watch 13 minutes of why BVG should be fired check out this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FQYvRBm1Eo

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

The defensive playcall and setup on 3rd and 8 inside our 10 yard line half way through the second qtr told me all i need to know about bvg. It was quite possibly one of the poorest called and poorest executed defensive plays i can remember in recent years. It happens at about the 4:22 nark of that video.

As soon ad i saw them come out in that alignment i knew we were f*cked and started yelling at my tv "slant, slant, cover the quick slant!!!"

 

[Fbolt]

why is it when I want ND defense to play like this:

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they end up playing like this:

 

[NDokie13]

The defensive playcall and setup on 3rd and 8 inside our 10 yard line half way through the second qtr told me all i need to know about bvg. It was quite possibly one of the poorest called and poorest executed defensive plays i can remember in recent years. It happens at about the 4:22 nark of that video.

One of the plays that irks me the most is the very next one. It's hard to tell because the video edits out most of the presnap, but their QB hurries to line up under center after getting the play call from the sideline, and I think everyone in the stadium knew he was going to sneak it up the middle. Everyone except our linebackers, who are lined up way off the line where they're completely useless. Bilal isn't even looking when the ball was snapped, even though the qb was frantically calling for the snap for a couple seconds before the play. I don't care if it's his first game getting real action, that should be common sense and reflects really poorly on the defensive coaching.

 

[Luckylucci]

Not even remotely close to a BVG supporter here. However, it's gameday and it's time to get the right mindset for all involved. Personal opinion is we should keep this thread off our minds. You know, power of positive thinking and all

 

[woolybug25]

I have seen enough with BVG. I'm guessing Nevada puts up 20-30 points today and Kizer bails us out. I hope that is enough to make BK think about changes. Maybe not even firing BVG on the spot, but rather swap out some responsibilities. Let Bob Elliott call the defense. BVG can call the personnel and game plan (the latter being a formality to take the sting out), but put his ass in the booth. Let the best defensive coach on our staff tighten things up.

Teams play significantly better defense with significantly less talent. We shouldn't tie our horse to one coordinator. We've given BVG more than enough rope at this point, and he chose to hang himself with it.

 

[Fbolt]

My understanding is that Nevada is one-dimensional. They run the ball and pass poorly. Hmmm... I would like to think ND should be able to shut the run down. If Nevada scores 15+ points IMO-fail.

 

[Luckylucci]

I have seen enough with BVG. I'm guessing Nevada puts up 20-30 points today and Kizer bails us out. I hope that is enough to make BK think about changes. Maybe not even firing BVG on the spot, but rather swap out some responsibilities. Let Bob Elliott call the defense. BVG can call the personnel and game plan (the latter being a formality to take the sting out), but put his ass in the booth. Let the best defensive coach on our staff tighten things up.

Teams play significantly better defense with significantly less talent. We shouldn't tie our horse to one coordinator. We've given BVG more than enough rope at this point, and he chose to hang himself with it.

If it's going to go down mid season, this is probably the best approach

 

[kmoose]

My understanding is that Nevada is one-dimensional. They run the ball and pass poorly. Hmmm... I would like to think ND should be able to shut the run down. If Nevada scores 15+ points IMO-fail.

I'm not sure where you got that from, but last week Nevada threw the ball 24 times, and ran it 34 times. That's actually pretty balanced play calling.

WR Jerico Richardson caught 68 balls for 750 yards last season, and WR Hasaan Henderson caught 52 more, for 741 yards.

They certainly appear to be a better running team than passing team, but with our secondary................

 

[woolybug25]

They still run the pistol?

If so, they will cut our LB's up in the pass game.

 

[phgreek]

I have seen enough with BVG. I'm guessing Nevada puts up 20-30 points today and Kizer bails us out. I hope that is enough to make BK think about changes. Maybe not even firing BVG on the spot, but rather swap out some responsibilities. Let Bob Elliott call the defense. BVG can call the personnel and game plan (the latter being a formality to take the sting out), but put his ass in the booth. Let the best defensive coach on our staff tighten things up.

Teams play significantly better defense with significantly less talent. We shouldn't tie our horse to one coordinator. We've given BVG more than enough rope at this point, and he chose to hang himself with it.

This...EXACTLY. Life teaches us that EXOTIC usually looks good from afar.

 

[koonja]

Tell me one good thing about BVG. And I'll open the flood gates as to what you can claim.. 3rd down calls, rush defense, in game adjustments, recruiting, etc... everything in play, what is one thing he does well?

 

[tko]

Tell me one good thing about BVG. And I'll open the flood gates as to what you can claim.. 3rd down calls, rush defense, in game adjustments, recruiting, etc... everything in play, what is one thing he does well?

He keeps his mustache well groomed.

 

[ACamp1900]

His pornstache brings all the milfs to the yard.

 

[Fbolt]

17/24 for 189 yards last week against Cal Poly. Who CP fb-wise????

186/331, 56% completion, 6.46 ypc, 15 TD, 7 INT in 2015-the same QB this year.

556/2738 yards, 4.9 ypc, 24 TD rushing

Not impressive IMO, but hey, neither is ND's defense.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This post is so much more useful than the "no excuses" posts. So often college football is win and everything is great, lose everything sucks.

It's like every year how the OL doesn't just pancake every DLman on every play starting in the first game, and we all questioned the quality of the line. But then by the end of the year they look good, are statistically excellent, and get kids drafted high. We all spend the off-season praising HH. Rinse, wash, repeat. The emotional reaction isn't always the right one.

Here, a lot sucked, but there are a lot of factors playing into why a lot of it was Texas just being effective. Swoops scored like 14 TDs last year and they ran over a lot of schools when they could not pass AT ALL. They now have some passing weapons and it makes for a interesting offense, especially when our safety play is so questionable.

My Texas friend who re-watched the game on the Texas network where they take out all the time between snaps said that we lost because we took Kizer out. He also noted that out OL was very effective. Our defense did not stop them, but that may turn out to be because they are hard to stop. This was Texas, not West Texas Tech--maybe they're pretty good on top of our mistakes.

ND has a lot of years where a mediocre team, like Wake Forest, will slow us down more than, say, Stanford or USC. Texas beat Oklahoma and Baylor, and lost to Iowa State last year. What does that mean? Alabama didn't stop Clemson last year. USC, and all their talent, didn't even slow Alabama down.

One of the guys at ISD had a great article comparing (it seems) the Texas loss, to Nebraska, and USC (Bush push.) His point is that this year the loss hurts because we have made progress and are near the mountaintop. Whereas, particularly with those other two losses, the ND wasn't nearly competitive, but played even with the help of breaks. I agree, and that is what I was trying to convey.

 

[PerthDomer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Koenning Troy's D is stuffing Clemson. Let's hire this guy.

 

[stlnd01]

Toryan and Brian Smith on Huddlecast recently remarked that they had four key play on defense under Davie, and ran them over and over. Everyone knew their assignment on every play and that made them effective. Toryan remarked that the defenders looked lost to him in the TX game and he thought BVG needed to just run basic defense to help his players.

Was never a huge Brian Smith fan, but they make a good point here. BVG's defense is just too complicated. Guys have to make too many decisions and they're tentative. And too often our best athletes can't get on the field because they haven't learned all the intricacies yet, so we go with Schmidt instead of Morgan, or Martini instead of Coney, and they get out-athleted.
I remember the Alabama center saying how simple Diaco's defense was. And that could be an Achille's Heel if you're playing Alabama. But it worked well most of the time. Back to something like that maybe.

 

[stlnd01]

LOL what do those guys know about playing good defense?

Bob Davie's teams had much better defenses than Kelly's have under Van Gorder. Not even close. Davie's problem was scoring, but the D was almost always solid.

 

[MJ12666]

Was never a huge Brian Smith fan, but they make a good point here. BVG's defense is just too complicated. Guys have to make too many decisions and they're tentative. And too often our best athletes can't get on the field because they haven't learned all the intricacies yet, so we go with Schmidt instead of Morgan, or Martini instead of Coney, and they get out-athleted.
I remember the Alabama center saying how simple Diaco's defense was. And that could be an Achille's Heel if you're playing Alabama. But it worked well most of the time. Back to something like that maybe.

What is really interesting about the observation made by these two former players is that the last year that Bob coached at ND, which I believe was 2001, I don't think that either of these two guys were even in high school.

 

[Guest]

LOL what do those guys know about playing good defense?

They actually did it and you didn't?