BVG Fired

[GATTACA!]

Were they 110 in D last year with 5 now NFL roster guys? I mean the track record with BVG is much different than that of their DC. Just sayin

Plus their tops CBs knee exploded.

 

[NDohio]

Were they 110 in D last year with 5 now NFL roster guys? I mean the track record with BVG is much different than that of their DC. Just sayin

Please don't take that as me being in favor of BVG being our DC after this season(unless something changes). I don't think we should fire him today though.

Plus their tops CBs knee exploded.

Well, if we are using injuries as an excuses for bad defense...

 

[PANDFAN]

VanGorder’s speed package at Texas was the defensive equivalent of when Charlie Weis tried to install the read option for Georgia Tech nine years ago--sampson

 

[IrishLax]

VanGorder’s speed package at Texas was the defensive equivalent of when Charlie Weis tried to install the read option for Georgia Tech nine years ago--sampson

lol sick burn and accurate.

 

[IrishLion]

VanGorder’s speed package at Texas was the defensive equivalent of when Charlie Weis tried to install the read option for Georgia Tech nine years ago--sampson

Hahaha that's too perfect.

Demetrius Jones... my goodness.

 

[PANDFAN]

here's another classic one liner from sampson

Weis couldn’t run a modern college offense. VanGorder can’t defend one.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Please don't take that as me being in favor of BVG being our DC after this season(unless something changes). I don't think we should fire him today though.




Well, if we are using injuries as an excuses for bad defense...

As much as I'd like to see a new DC now, I agree it's probably not the smartest idea to can him now.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

VanGorder’s speed package at Texas was the defensive equivalent of when Charlie Weis tried to install the read option for Georgia Tech nine years ago--sampson

I was at that game. Thanks for the flashbacks.

 

[NDRock]

VanGorder’s speed package at Texas was the defensive equivalent of when Charlie Weis tried to install the read option for Georgia Tech nine years ago--sampson

Brutal

 

[Irish Insanity]

ND has lost 9 times since 2014. 7 of those losses we scored 27+ points.

*I stole this from someone on Twitter.

 

[IrishLax]

ND has lost 9 times since 2014. 7 of those losses we scored 27+ points.

*I stole this from someone on Twitter.

Woof.

 

[IrishLax]

It's just crazy to me how the offense was always "meh" when we had Diaco, Te'o, Tuitt, Smithx2, and other game wreckers on D... now the offense is awesome and we have swiss cheese back there.

We had Crist/Rees, Rees, Golson, Rees, Golson for five consecutive years... now we have an NFL talent at QB and we can't even tackle? What gives?

You put Kizer on the 2011 and 2013 teams an each probably wins 11 games.

 

[Irish Insanity]

It's just crazy to me how the offense was always "meh" when we had Diaco, Te'o, Tuitt, Smithx2, and other game wreckers on D... now the offense is awesome and we have swiss cheese back there.

We had Crist/Rees, Rees, Golson, Rees, Golson for five consecutive years... now we have an NFL talent at QB and we can't even tackle? What gives?

You put Kizer on the 2011 and 2013 teams an each wins the NC.

FIFY

 

[Buster Bluth]

2011 goes 12-0.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Does anyone think Pelini is a legitimate option? It'd be nice to see Kelly go outside of his circle and find a homerun.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Bo Pelini would be a very interesting hire. I'd be all for it. He'd need a Xanax or two forced into his daily diet though.

 

[IrishLion]

It's just crazy to me how the offense was always "meh" when we had Diaco, Te'o, Tuitt, Smithx2, and other game wreckers on D... now the offense is awesome and we have swiss cheese back there.

We had Crist/Rees, Rees, Golson, Rees, Golson for five consecutive years... now we have an NFL talent at QB and we can't even tackle? What gives?

You put Kizer on the 2011 and 2013 teams an each probably wins 11 games.

Starting to think Brian Kelly's offensive success is directly correlated to a piss-poor defense.

UC had a very respectable defense in 2007 and 2008, both years where his offense was dangerous but lacking just a bit. In 2009, his offense was off the charts, and his defense was abysmal against the premier teams they played.

Same cycle is happening here. The direct correlation has to originate from a voodoo curse of some sort.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I think BVG has some real issues (although I'm not as sure about the quality of some of our other defensive coaches as some are).

That said, it does seem like EVERYONE except Alabama is giving up lots of points these days. Even they did in the NC. Oklahoma and FSU are stacked with talent and have respectable coaches, but they gave it up too.

So, IMHO, Kelly is performing well, if not great--everyone is scoring more these days and so is he. The days where you should win with 24 points are gone. 35 is the new normal for a good offense.

BVG, on the other hand, is performing poorly, but not terribly. Gone are the days where a good defense gave up 21 points to a quality opponent (except for NFL practice team, Alabama). Good offenses score a lot.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Bo Pelini would be a very interesting hire. I'd be all for it. He'd need a Xanax or two forced into his daily diet though.

Lol. I just imagine Kelly and Pelini getting into a shouting match on the sideline, explosive doesn't convey my mental image.

With Pelini, I would expect defense and special teams to improve.

 

[NDgradstudent]

The days where you should win with 24 points are gone. 35 is the new normal for a good offense.

So bad was our defense that 35, in fact, would not have been enough to beat Texas on Sunday night.

I'll repost the chart I made yesterday:

As you can see, our defense has been much worse than several comparable programs in terms of PPG ranking during the BVG tenure. This is not readily explained by poor defensive recruiting; we were in the middle of the pack among top programs from 2012-2014.

 

[IrishLax]

Does anyone think Pelini is a legitimate option? It'd be nice to see Kelly go outside of his circle and find a homerun.

Assuming BVG doesn't turn it around (which he could, because Stanford, MSU, etc. play offenses he knows how to defend) and gets fired...

I hope, in order, Kelly looks at:
1. Derek Mason, if fired. Perfect fit.
2. Bo Pelini, if he'd be interested (doubtful).
3. Kwiatkowski from Washington, but he probably wouldn't want to leave, not even if we offered $2 million a year.
4. Either of MSU's co-DCs... probably would have an easier time pulling Tressel of the two.
5. Todd Grantham... I have no idea how a place like Louisville has a DC of his caliber, but we are paying BVG more to coach here with no results. Grantham would also be a tough pull because of his contract.

Those are the 5 names I can come up with that I'm absolutely positive could rebuild the defense with a couple years of recruiting to fix depth and installing their systems. I think it's going to be very hard to get anyone to come here though with our lack of talent unless we offer $1.5/year with multiple guaranteed years.

 

[IrishLax]

So bad was our defense that 35, in fact, would not have been enough to beat Texas on Sunday night.

I'll repost the chart I made yesterday:

As you can see, our defense has been much worse than several comparable programs in terms of PPG ranking during the BVG tenure. This is not readily explained by poor defensive recruiting; we were in the middle of the pack among top programs from 2012-2014.

The problem with that blanket chart is that it doesn't tell the full story. Count the quantity of defensive players Clemson/Stanford/whoever have... not just quality. Our issue is gaping holes left by not having enough experienced depth and developed players. Until the 2015 class, we simply didn't even sign enough bodies so if any of those "highly rated" players gets hurt or is a bust there is no contingency plan. It's also why the wheels fall off every year when/if injuries occur to key players.

6 Safeties rated at an 89 is better than 1 Safety rated at a 95 if your goal is to get productive and consistent play.

 

[Kingbish01]

To answer the main question "When will VanGorder be fired" I think he will be fired if/when we lose our 3rd game. At that point who cares what happens to finish the season. And if he lets Nevada hang a ton of points on them and that game is close or Nevada steals one.....he will be done that Sunday morning. I just can't see them keeping him after that. If ND finishes 10-2, or 9-3 with that 3rd loss being against USC....I think he will be back next year.

 

[NorthDakota]

I think Pelini would consider it. He is basically doing charity work at Youngstown State right now.

 

[Domina Nostra]

So bad was our defense that 35, in fact, would not have been enough to beat Texas on Sunday night.

I'll repost the chart I made yesterday:

As you can see, our defense has been much worse than several comparable programs in terms of PPG ranking during the BVG tenure. This is not readily explained by poor defensive recruiting; we were in the middle of the pack among top programs from 2012-2014.

I said explicitly that he is doing poorly. That would indicate, worse than he is supposed to, which corresponds with what you posted.

My point is that yards and points are up everywhere, so talking about giving up 30 points and 400 yards doesn't mean what it used to. That goes the same for Coach Kelly.

The problem with that blanket chart is that it doesn't tell the full story. Count the quantity of defensive players Clemson/Stanford/whoever have... not just quality. Our issue is gaping holes left by not having enough experienced depth and developed players. Until the 2015 class, we simply didn't even sign enough bodies so if any of those "highly rated" players gets hurt or is a bust there is no contingency plan. It's also why the wheels fall off every year when/if injuries occur to key players.

6 Safeties rated at an 89 is better than 1 Safety rated at a 95 if your goal is to get productive and consistent play.

Exactly. We also don't get to play S. Alabama and Tennessee Tech two or three times per year.

 

[irishff1014]

Assuming BVG doesn't turn it around (which he could, because Stanford, MSU, etc. play offenses he knows how to defend) and gets fired...

I hope, in order, Kelly looks at:
1. Derek Mason, if fired. Perfect fit.
2. Bo Pelini, if he'd be interested (doubtful).
3. Kwiatkowski from Washington, but he probably wouldn't want to leave, not even if we offered $2 million a year.
4. Either of MSU's co-DCs... probably would have an easier time pulling Tressel of the two.
5. Todd Grantham... I have no idea how a place like Louisville has a DC of his caliber, but we are paying BVG more to coach here with no results. Grantham would also be a tough pull because of his contract.

Those are the 5 names I can come up with that I'm absolutely positive could rebuild the defense with a couple years of recruiting to fix depth and installing their systems. I think it's going to be very hard to get anyone to come here though with our lack of talent unless we offer $1.5/year with multiple guaranteed years.

Do you think If Lsu struggles and fire Miles they also fire the new DC?

 

[Luckylucci]

To answer the main question "When will VanGorder be fired" I think he will be fired if/when we lose our 3rd game. At that point who cares what happens to finish the season. And if he lets Nevada hang a ton of points on them and that game is close or Nevada steals one.....he will be done that Sunday morning. I just can't see them keeping him after that. If ND finishes 10-2, or 9-3 with that 3rd loss being against USC....I think he will be back next year.

I'm incredibly interested to see how this team responds this weekend. I worry that if this persists, he'll be at risk of losing the team. We can still salvage this but we need all hands on deck and the players to be bought in.

 

[Irishman77]

Kelly was more critical on Kizer than he was on BVG in the presser....wtf?

 

[Luckylucci]

Kelly was more critical on Kizer than he was on BVG in the presser....wtf?

After reading the entire transcript, I think he was more worried about defending the players than he was BVG. That's just my opinion but I think he believes the offense is good enough to win all games we play, if we can salvage this defense. In order to do that, you need to keep the kids bought in. You lose them now and this could get really bad. We can't have a start to the season like 2014 ended.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

He loves bVG. He won't do anything about it. I guess he figures they can out score anybody. Oh well