BVG Fired

[yankeehater]

He gone.....and hopefully soon!

They could not even figure how to line up half the game. WTF!

 

[koonja]

I'd fire him Monday. DL is soft and get pushed around by freshman, LBs are no where to be seen, safeties can't figure out defense, doesn't recruit. What the hell good is he? His team is soft.

 

[TheChosen1]

132 points allowed last three games given up on defense.

 

[irishff1014]

Shit, while we're on the topic. Does Swarbrick have Herman and Fleck on speed dial? BVG is to blame for the nonexistent defense but BK had the opportunity to get rid of him. That shit would not fly for Saban and it shouldn't be tolerated here.

Until BVG is gone, there is no point in even caring IMO

This just proves my point. BK needs to get off Zaire's dick

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is DeShone Kizer the guy moving forward? "We haven't made that decision."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/772646067548528640">September 5, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Time to fire the whole bunch. It's clear Kiser is the real deal.

 

[IrishLax]

No Coach Can Fix the Defense

No Coach Can Fix the Defense

It's not scheme, it's talent. Safety position is utterly dreadful, not even MAC level. Corners are OK but asked to do too much without enough help. Front 7 is just OK with some decent talent that flashes at times but is too inconsistent.

Texas is a lot better than people think but that's not really the point. The point is that the team lacks talent. In 2012 we had 5 NFL players in our front 7, and solid players in the back end with a scheme to protect them. Hasn't been the case since.

 

[IrishLion]

Shit, while we're on the topic. Does Swarbrick have Herman and Fleck on speed dial? BVG is to blame for the nonexistent defense but BK had the opportunity to get rid of him. That shit would not fly for Saban and it shouldn't be tolerated here.

Until BVG is gone, there is no point in even caring IMO

This just proves my point. BK needs to get off Zaire's dick

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is DeShone Kizer the guy moving forward? "We haven't made that decision."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/772646067548528640">September 5, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Come on man. I know it was a crappy loss, and it's now clear that not picking one and sticking with him was a mistake.

But use your noggin. The writing may be on the wall, but BK isn't gonna announce anything official to the media until he talks to both QB's, and he isn't gonna announce anything official until they're back in South Bend.

Chill a bit.

 

[ulukinatme]

I've backed him up, while everyone has tore him apart. I can't back him up anymore. He needs to go!

#FireBVG


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Same. I gave BVG the benefit of the doubt because of the injuries, but there were no excuses tonight. They have enough talent, they gave up way too many big plays. You can't defend that.

 

[irishff1014]

Same. I gave BVG the benefit of the doubt because of the injuries, but there were no excuses tonight. They have enough talent, they gave up way too many big plays. You can't defend that.

Every defense gives up big plays. But he didn't change anything after his corners got burnt 3 times and it not hurt them. So the 4th time bingo.

 

[GATTACA!]

It's not scheme, it's talent. Safety position is utterly dreadful, not even MAC level. Corners are OK but asked to do too much without enough help. Front 7 is just OK with some decent talent that flashes at times but is too inconsistent.

Texas is a lot better than people think but that's not really the point. The point is that the team lacks talent. In 2012 we had 5 NFL players in our front 7, and solid players in the back end with a scheme to protect them. Hasn't been the case since.

While I agree overall, BVG still holds a big chunk of the blame. How many times did their WRs blow past our CBs with zero help over the top? Once? Damn our bad better adjust. Twice? Shoot we've got it figured out this time! Third! WTF??

BVG has no sense of what adjustments need to be made on the fly because he's so stuck in his killer scheme that has been a wet fart for 3 seasons. The dude straight up cant coach.

Then to top it off he can't even turn around and complain about the cupboards being bare, even if as you've pointed out that is the case, because he refuses to go out and do anything about it??

I seriously don't get it. Does BVG have some blackmail material on Kelly or his wife? How does this asshole still have a job? He's contributing nothing on or off of the field.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

It's not scheme, it's talent. Safety position is utterly dreadful, not even MAC level. Corners are OK but asked to do too much without enough help. Front 7 is just OK with some decent talent that flashes at times but is too inconsistent.



Texas is a lot better than people think but that's not really the point. The point is that the team lacks talent. In 2012 we had 5 NFL players in our front 7, and solid players in the back end with a scheme to protect them. Hasn't been the case since.

Agree. But not MAC level safety talent is a little extreme.


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[Kaneyoufeelit]

It's not scheme, it's talent. Safety position is utterly dreadful, not even MAC level. Corners are OK but asked to do too much without enough help. Front 7 is just OK with some decent talent that flashes at times but is too inconsistent.

Texas is a lot better than people think but that's not really the point. The point is that the team lacks talent. In 2012 we had 5 NFL players in our front 7, and solid players in the back end with a scheme to protect them. Hasn't been the case since.

Combining this with your post in the post game threat, any specific recruiting decisions come to mind? Not arguing, just curious. I've have a few of my own complaints over the years

 

[Crazy Balki]

I agree LAX. I really wish BVG was the issue, but we lucked out in 2012 with a great combination of elite talent and great leadership, and players that fit the scheme. Our recruiting hasn't been up to par to sufficiently field that kind of defense and still have some gaping holes that should have been filled. Safety is an even bigger mess than I thought, and I thought it was a mess to begin with. Coleman couldn't have played worse. Crawford had his moments, but also was inconsistent. Tranquill was a huge letdown.

We're not stuck between a rock and a hard place on defense. We need top level defensive recruits in order to field a good defense, but we can't get top level defensive recruits unless we start fielding a good defense. We're boned.

 

[NDVirginia19]

It's not scheme, it's talent. Safety position is utterly dreadful, not even MAC level. Corners are OK but asked to do too much without enough help. Front 7 is just OK with some decent talent that flashes at times but is too inconsistent.

Texas is a lot better than people think but that's not really the point. The point is that the team lacks talent. In 2012 we had 5 NFL players in our front 7, and solid players in the back end with a scheme to protect them. Hasn't been the case since.

In our front 7 right now, Nyles Morgan, Coney, Rochelle, and Onwalu can play on sundays. Jarron Jones, Jay Hayes, and Tillery have the potential to if they can get their shit straight. We have a much faster front 7 than 2012, but we just don't have the defensive coaching.

 

[FearTheBeard]

I refuse to accept that the fucking University of Notre Dame cant field an average defense. We gave up an assload of points to an offense that just isnt that good. I know its game one, but i guarantee by the end of the season that offense isnt as good as we made them look. If we could give up 30 points or less we could win just about every game this year, but somehow even though we can recruit really well we cant even put a decent defense on the field. I'm puting that blame on the coaching staff

 

[kmoose]

While I agree overall, BVG still holds a big chunk of the blame. How many times did their WRs blow past our CBs with zero help over the top? Once? Damn our bad better adjust. Twice? Shoot we've got it figured out this time! Third! WTF??

BVG has no sense of what adjustments need to be made on the fly because he's so stuck in his killer scheme that has been a wet fart for 3 seasons. The dude straight up cant coach.

Then to top it off he can't even turn around and complain about the cupboards being bare, even if as you've pointed out that is the case, because he refuses to go out and do anything about it??

I seriously don't get it. Does BVG have some blackmail material on Kelly or his wife? How does this asshole still have a job? He's contributing nothing on or off of the field.

I'm not sure what you want the guy to do? The players have to play. We have these 4 * guys at CB, and we can't expect them to play man coverage? So while the safety is helping the CB on the outside receiver, who is covering the slot guy who is running the post? Nyles Morgan? If BVG had a LB covering a post route, people would be having a cow!

 

[philipm31]

Agree. But not MAC level safety talent is a little extreme.


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Because they have Safety talent in the MAC.

 

[Bluto]

The thing is the defense doesn't need to be lights out 2012. Pair any of Diacos defenses with the offenses from the last two years and ND wins 10 games in 14 and beats Stanford handily last year at the very least.

For the third year in a row the players look like they're not sure what they are doing and not even set pre snap. It's pretty hard to watch.

 

[philipm31]

Time to fire the whole bunch. It's clear Kiser is the real deal.

WTF????

Have some fucking balls. Then again, this is Kelly we are talking about here, so I don't suspect anything else from him after the way he coddles BVG.

 

[NDgradstudent]

How much worse can it be with someone else as DC? Did BC have better defensive personnel than us last year?

 

[ACamp1900]

Time is running out on BK,... No matter if you like it or not,... It's pretty much fact,... Look at any other HCs term... If he's going to do it he has to very fvkin soon and I think we can all agree he can't do it with thus fvkin clown.

 

[Bluto]

How much worse can it be with someone else as DC? Did BC have better defensive personnel than us last year?

About half the teams in the country did apparently.

 

[Crazy Balki]

How much worse can it be with someone else as DC? Did BC have better defensive personnel than us last year?

No, but they had heart and determination and played technically sound. Something ND has failed to do for the better part of the last 20 years, with very few exceptions.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Shit, while we're on the topic. Does Swarbrick have Herman and Fleck on speed dial? BVG is to blame for the nonexistent defense but BK had the opportunity to get rid of him. That shit would not fly for Saban and it shouldn't be tolerated here.

Until BVG is gone, there is no point in even caring IMO

This just proves my point. BK needs to get off Zaire's dick

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is DeShone Kizer the guy moving forward? "We haven't made that decision."</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/772646067548528640">September 5, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't think Fleck is big program ready yet.

I literally flashed back to 2009 Tate Forcier

Haha. After we tied it up, that's what crossed head.

Time is running out on BK,... No matter if you like it or not,... It's pretty much fact,... Look at any other HCs term... If he's going to do it he has to very fvkin soon and I think we can all agree he can't do it with thus fvkin clown.

Wrong thread, fire up the revisit BK thread

 

[mgriff]

No one is expecting a top ten defense, but we're in zero in the red zone with Tranquil covering the slot. He gets beat inside for the TD. Corners getting beat in press man all the time. We gave up 50 points to Texas and let a true freshman look like an All-American. Play a system that suits the players. If your corners can't play man, run a zone. Make some adjustments and work with what you have. The defense has been terrible for how many years. I don't expect elite, because we don't have elite talent. I expect a serviceable defense that can hold Texas to below five touchdowns on the road and win us a game where the offense performed well enough.

 

[ACamp1900]

Wrong thread, fire up the revisit BK thread

I'm not even calling for BK tho,... Just pointing out that he only has so much time left...

 

[Shamrock Theories]

It's not scheme, it's talent. Safety position is utterly dreadful, not even MAC level. Corners are OK but asked to do too much without enough help. Front 7 is just OK with some decent talent that flashes at times but is too inconsistent.

Texas is a lot better than people think but that's not really the point. The point is that the team lacks talent. In 2012 we had 5 NFL players in our front 7, and solid players in the back end with a scheme to protect them. Hasn't been the case since.

So why was the defense last year just average?

Okwara - Day - Tillery/Cage - Rochell

Smith - Schmidt - Onwualu

Luke - Redfield - Shumate - Farley/Watkins

You can't convince me that there isn't enough talent there to be a top 25 defense at a minimum.

 

[Bluto]

No one is expecting a top ten defense, but we're in zero in the red zone with Tranquil covering the slot. He gets beat inside for the TD. Corners getting beat in press man all the time. We gave up 50 points to Texas and let a true freshman look like an All-American. Play a system that suits the players. If your corners can't play man, run a zone. Make some adjustments and work with what you have. The defense has been terrible for how many years. I don't expect elite, because we don't have elite talent. I expect a serviceable defense that can hold Texas to below five touchdowns on the road and win us a game where the offense performed well enough.

Fairly realistic. I'd call Greg Mattison tomorrow...lol.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yeah, that's a top ten defense at tOSU. Sorry

 

[Ignats]

It's not scheme, it's talent. Safety position is utterly dreadful, not even MAC level. Corners are OK but asked to do too much without enough help. Front 7 is just OK with some decent talent that flashes at times but is too inconsistent.

Texas is a lot better than people think but that's not really the point. The point is that the team lacks talent. In 2012 we had 5 NFL players in our front 7, and solid players in the back end with a scheme to protect them. Hasn't been the case since.

Agreed but... I feel like there was a lot of NFL talent on this team last year. At least as much if not more than 2012. A team with Jaylon, Sheldon, KeiVarae, etc... should have been a lot better on defense than they were last year. To me that's scheme, unless the Schmidts of the defense really brought it down.

Also, there are plenty of programs that compete nationally with very good defenses without a ton of high recruiting talent. Wisconsin comes to mind, as Dave Aranda built an outstanding defense there. Stanford too. These teams definitely could have better talent in the secondary but the overall talent isn't better.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Also, whoever was number 46 or 48 played like complete ass. Dude constantly took himself out of place and couldnt get off any blocks not even from tight ends. Then again almost everyone on defense sucked ass, but he stood out alongside the secondary