BVG Fired

[johnnycando]

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Hahaha

 

[D-BOE34]

We had our issues but only 2 things REALLY scare me against FSU

1. How do we stop JW from running right up the middle of our defense?

2. EG Turnovers/Holding ball forever!


Six and mutha fuggin OH !!! Take the win and move on...

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

We had our issues but only 2 things REALLY scare me against FSU

1. How do we stop JW from running right up the middle of our defense?

2. EG Turnovers/Holding ball forever!


Six and mutha fuggin OH !!! Take the win and move on...

I think the answer to #1 is: Don't.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Ya'll let your highs get too high and your lows get too low.

ND loses this type of game in the past. Post-Stanford, sluggish start, start the game down 14-0... And you still get a win, and your extremely young defense PLAYING THEIR SIXTH GAME under a new d-coordinator is still lining up and playing aggressive, despite tempo they hadn't seen before, and they still made enough plays late when UNC had chances to get ahead.

One bad game doesn't justify the general testiness on this board lol.

Totally agree with this post...especially the bolded.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I think the answer to #1 is: Don't.

How does JW compare to Williams from a speed standpoint?

 

[johnnycando]

How does JW compare to Williams from a speed standpoint?

JW is not nearly as fast or elusive.

He is, however, a much better passer. He scrambles to buy time and to draw coverage to himself, then hits the receiver.

Apples and oranges.

Think Andrew Luck, unfortunately.

 

[BGIF]

Just watched the replay. No, defense did not play well. And the most glaring scheme weakness is that it's very hard to cue up exotic blitzes when the opponent is running tempo like that. This will be relevant for ASU, and might be relevant for Louisville and USC. I can't really see the other teams running tons of tempo when it's not their normal style. And it also raises a concern of whether uber aggressive defense works if the skill position players are good enough to routinely win their one on one matchups.

While the defense gave up a ton of yards, at the point where we scored 50 UNC had only earned about 20 points worth from their offense... about 2 TDs and 2 FGs if you give them credit for their miss. I find it hard to blame the defense for scores that were gift wrapped by offensive mistakes.

And there are only two offenses left that are better than UNC.

And we've gone to school now and got our grades. We know the deficiencies and can game plan accordingly. Hopefully better than Diaco did the second time he saw the triple option.

My primary concern is the shortage of healthy bodies. Collinsworth started because the other safeties are still having communication issues according to Kelly in the post game PC. Collinsworth is to have an MRI on his shoulder. I doubt he's back by Saturday. Riggs went down with an ankle. He returned later in the game. Will he be 100%. Barratti's gone as are others.

If The Five were coming back this week, there'd be an infusion of healthy bodies but they're not. We're thin on defense and getting thinner by the game. UNC ran 85 plays or so. It's nice to be able to rotate fresh legs but once there drive started their tempo makes it hard to do so.

 

[BGIF]

JW is not nearly as fast or elusive.

He is, however, a much better passer. He scrambles to buy time and to draw coverage to himself, then hits the receiver.

Apples and oranges.

Think Andrew Luck, unfortunately.

And Winston has Green.

ND's defense held UNC's highly regarded RB Hood to 27 yds on 17 carries. A full 20% fo their plays were stymied there.

Against Stanford ND neutralized the explosive Montgomery while Hogan got yds. We won both game.

 

[kmoose]

My primary concern is the shortage of healthy bodies. Collinsworth started because the other safeties are still having communication issues according to Kelly in the post game PC. Collinsworth is to have an MRI on his shoulder. I doubt he's back by Saturday. Riggs went down with an ankle. He returned later in the game. Will he be 100%. Barratti's gone as are others.

In his post game presser, Kelly said that Collinsworth dislocated his shoulder, and they would be sending him for an MRI, to see where they are at. I'm not all that up on the science of sports injury, but Kelly made it sound like he might not even miss any time. Kelly also gave a "pffft", when asked about Riggs. He seemed pretty confident that Riggs was just fine.

 

[BGIF]

In his post game presser, Kelly said that Collinsworth dislocated his shoulder, and they would be sending him for an MRI, to see where they are at. I'm not all that up on the science of sports injury, but Kelly made it sound like he might not even miss any time. Kelly also gave a "pffft", when asked about Riggs. He seemed pretty confident that Riggs was just fine.

I watched the PC and heard what Kelly said. As I said in the previous post, "I doubt he's back by Saturday." I hope I'm wrong. Kelly has seen the MRI either.

 

[Grahambo]

How does JW compare to Williams from a speed standpoint?

He has 23 carries for 39 yards on the season. That should tell you what JW thinks about running. Williams has 75 for 375 for comparison sake.

As others have pointed out, he will scramble and look through his progressions before he takes off. Our defense will be able to handle that better then the running QB that Williams is.

 

[Grahambo]

I watched the PC and heard what Kelly said. As I said in the previous post, "I doubt he's back by Saturday." I hope I'm wrong. Kelly has seen the MRI either.

Just my guess but I highly doubt AC can play. Not only was he gone for most of the UNC game but it appeared that its the same shoulder so I'm definitely not counting on him to be ready.

Maybe its a coincidence but the two weeks that AC was preparing to play and gets hurt, there's talk that the secondary is having communication trouble. The weeks that he was ruled out and the secondary was practicing without him, they seemed to be gelling. Interesting to me.

 

[BGIF]

He has 23 carries for 39 yards on the season. That should tell you what JW thinks about running. Williams has 75 for 375 for comparison sake.

As others have pointed out, he will scramble and look through his progressions before he takes off. Our defense will be able to handle that better then the running QB that Williams is.

Williams has passed for 3200 career yards and rushed for 1100. He's a 6-2, 230, (about the same size as Jaylon Smith) 22 year old with a motor. I wish our backs hit the line like he does.

 

[Grahambo]

Williams has passed for 3200 career yards and rushed for 1100. He's a 6-2, 230, (about the same size as Jaylon Smith) 22 year old with a motor. I wish our backs hit the line like he does.

As BK mentioned, they did not like this matchup from the start.

 

[BGIF]

Just my guess but I highly doubt AC can play. Not only was he gone for most of the UNC game but it appeared that its the same shoulder so I'm definitely not counting on him to be ready.

Maybe its a coincidence but the two weeks that AC was preparing to play and gets hurt, there's talk that the secondary is having communication trouble. The weeks that he was ruled out and the secondary was practicing without him, they seemed to be gelling. Interesting to me.

The safeties were a CF in the opening game. Collinsworth was the starter until his preseason knee injury. Kelly brought up the communication issue in response to a question at that post game PC.

Collinsworth has been a possible for the past two weeks. He played last week.

 

[phillyirish]

It comes down to that we got torched by an extremely athletic QB. That, and some of the extra yardage was earned via trickery and such.

Good news is we don't have to worry about another QB like that until the postseason at the very least. Jameis is NOT a bug runner. Thats not to say he might not be able to break free for a couple of first down scrambles, and maybe even one big yardage run. But he doesn't have the speed and athleticism that we just seen. Not even Navy's qb will trouble us like that, and that a whole different story in itself with their lack of aerial threat.

Take out the QB runs, and our run D was once again phenomenal agaisnt the run. Holding their main back under 2 per carry and the rest below 4. Also factor in that a lot of the big passing players were earned by Williams by time with his legs until the coverage broke down.

I'm offering up to this game as more of a fluke and not our entire defensive scheme being compromised and lost for the season as half the board is arguing as they tend to do at the first sign of trouble even though we are 6-0 for the 2nd time in 3 years, and life is good, ND is back and trending up both on the field and with recruiting, yet "wah wah wah their QB was mean to our defense".

Not to say next week will be a shut out, we're still versing the #1/2 team with a Heisman QB. But they are barley in the top 100 (#98) in rushing yards so at least it will be easier to scheme for BVG and our defense.

So in closing, everyone relax.

(*Note: I'm an extreme optimistic who loved and supported Diaco till the end)

 

[Booslum31]

Only two complaints (negative observations) i had for the defense was our D-line not getting off blocks and giving them too much time on passing plays. And the number of missed tackles.

 

[NDhoosier]

Think Andrew Luck, unfortunately.

Not even close to Andrew Luck...

 

[irishog77]

Not even close to Andrew Luck...

Yes, he is. In his scrambling and running ability, which is what that was in reference to.

 

[johnnycando]

Yes, he is. In his scrambling and running ability, which is what that was in reference to.

Why thank-you hog.

I love your hair.

 

[Cackalacky]

So.... in commiserating after last nights game, my SEC people who only casually follow other things going on outside the ACC and SEC have ALL said how much better NDs defense looks. I got texts, calls, facebook posts etc. mentioning how good we looked and all of them thought we got hosed too.

Everyone wanted to know who Day and Jones were and where they came from. Lol.

 

[Riddickulous]

Jameis Winston is just too good. How many times in the second half did we get pressure only to have him step up and fire a perfect pass over the middle? That was frustrating.

This is a very good defense, regardless. Once we have depth and experience, we are going to be lights out.

 

[Grahambo]

Jameis Winston is just too good. How many times in the second half did we get pressure only to have him step up and fire a perfect pass over the middle? That was frustrating.

This is a very good defense, regardless. Once we have depth and experience, we are going to be lights out.

I really hope this doesn't get taken negatively but while JW has talent, I think it had less to do with him then it had to do with the defense not adjusting properly. Several times on Twitter, football scouts made note that when JW would check at the line, ND failed to check as well and it usually left the middle of the field open. Maybe it was by design but he was making throws to wide open receivers more often then not. He did escape a sack or two and Trumbetti messed up his coverage on the RB in the flat.

 

[irishff1014]

Jameis Winston is just too good. How many times in the second half did we get pressure only to have him step up and fire a perfect pass over the middle? That was frustrating.

This is a very good defense, regardless. Once we have depth and experience, we are going to be lights out.

It is easy when the linebackers blitz the QB the middle is going to be open all day long. We kept blitzing and they kept running crossing patterns.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Can't fault BVG on any of this. Winston was just ridiculous good in the 2nd half. We were often all over his face and he still found the right receiver somehow and threw off-balance perfect throws. BVG is a fabulous DC. Why anyone would want to seriously question what he's done for this defense eludes my comprehension. I don't want anyone else as my DC. Sometimes the opposing QB is just too good no matter who you are.

 

[ThePiombino]

Can't fault BVG on any of this. Winston was just ridiculous good in the 2nd half. We were often all over his face and he still found the right receiver somehow and threw off-balance perfect throws. BVG is a fabulous DC. Why anyone would want to seriously question what he's done for this defense eludes my comprehension. I don't want anyone else as my DC. Sometimes the opposing QB is just too good no matter who you are.

To the first- sure you can. FSU made adjustments, BVG didn't counter well enough. To the sencond- agreed, and I don't think the two bolded items need to be mutually exclusive in order for them to be valid.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I felt like our safeties were just way too far off the hot route in the middle of the field. We needed to jump on at least a couple of those routes.

 

[Cackalacky]

To the first- sure you can. FSU made adjustments, BVG didn't counter well enough. To the sencond- agreed, and I don't think the two bolded items need to be mutually exclusive in order for them to be valid.

Yes. The skinny post/seam was open all 2nd half. I must have posted that 1,134 times in the game day thread last night. Adjusting was slow on BVGs part.

 

[Redbar]

I think we have one helluva DL coach. Coach Elston is way underrated in the way he develops and gets his guys ready to play. BVG has IMO done a very good job this year getting our guys to understand the way he wants to play defense. We are playing an exciting aggressive style of D and our best days are certainly ahead of us.

 

[West Coast Domer]

Can you imagine if we had BVG in the champ sports bowl against FSU? Diaco blitzed in first half and then for some reason stopped. BVG would have blitzed every freaking play.