Brian Kelly to LSU, per report

[TorontoGold]

Bulletin board material for if we face LSU in the next few years.

Maybe it's an intentional heel turn to drive us into Freeman's arms more quickly. Brain Kelly always playing 5D chess.

I hope we're not in the Citrus Bowl, because that will be (hopefully) the only time we see them.

 

[Huntr]

 

[ACamp1900]

There are 130 FBS programs. The vast majority of programs don't win national championships in 28 years. I don't see "no national championships since 1988" as any great failure.

Your low energy ass would say some shit like that.......

 

[TorontoGold]

The thing is, it's far more difficult for the players at Notre Dame once they get there, than the players at freaking Stanford.

Stanford.

That's just ridiculous and untenable for a program that's trying to win championships and New Years 6 bowl games.

Do you guys understand that Notre Dame hasn't won anything significant in 28 years? That's not coaching. That's not bad luck. There are systemic problems with the University in how it deals with it's football program.

Do you understand the level of success Notre Dame has had the past 5 years? Do you understand that current employees of the program has top 5 247 rated recruiting classes for 22/23 right now? You can wallow in the past and shit on people for being excited, but there is a ton of positive momentum behind the program. What's the point of cheering for a team that you're dead set will never be successful?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Do you understand the level of success Notre Dame has had the past 5 years? Do you understand that current employees of the program has top 5 247 rated recruiting classes for 22/23 right now? You can wallow in the past and shit on people for being excited, but there is a ton of positive momentum behind the program. What's the point of cheering for a team that you're dead set will never be successful?

We are far better than what we were 12 years ago. I give Brian Kelly and Jack Swarbrick big kudos for that. They did that despite the administration. I'm not pooing on anybody for being excited. Be excited. I'm hopeful for Marcus Freeman as well.

This isn't about the past, I point it out as evidence. This is about the future. We just lost the coach that brought us the success of the last 5 years and those two classes. Not to retirement or dismissal. He left for another school because this school won't let him win. And he said it out loud. He wants to win. This is embarrassing for the University. BK is publicly saying 'i can't win at ND but I can at LSU.' Good. ND needs to hear this. ND needs to change. Not completely but they need to adjust to modern times. I'm hopeful this will light a fire under them.

​​​​None of you are addressing the fact that Notre Dame makes it more difficult on its players than Stanford. Don't you and others think that's a real problem?

This is on top of the fact that ND boxes itself out of most of the best players out there. That's a problem. Duke has no problem taking the best players in the land. They want to win.

Powerful people in the Administration are openly embarrassed of the football program. They say they think that it's bad optics to spend money on the football. Join the Ivy league then. Literally no one else has that kind antagonistic relationship with football program. Other schools are excited for their team. They have team spirit. ND is embarrassed. That's a problem. And these problems are systemic and need to be addressed.

My father and grandfather were ND fans. That's why I am. My grandfather is passed on and my dad doesn't even watch anymore. I don't watch the nfl anymore. Maybe I will get to the point where I won't cfb. But until then, I still watch cfb and racing. That's about it.

 

[GATTACA!]

Any chance we could play LSU in a bowl game?…….oh wait

 

[Irishbounty28]

Um, no. I have a lot of thoughts and opinions about people in my life and I don't go around putting let on blast publicly like that. Even if I think they are right. Some things are better left unsaid. At some point, Kelly could have easily come up with a speech/narrative that didn't involve insulting the young men that worked so hard for this program and a lot of the people that helped him achieve this success. It's a bitch move of the highest order.

I didn’t take it as a shot at the players. I can see how it would be viewed that way though. If he had ill intentions when saying it I think I would take issue with it. Nothing wrong with saying that to the kids you are going to go to war with over the next however many years. This is his first day, and only chance to make a first impression.

My point is he highlighted reasons why he was there to players, staff, administration and most of all fans who will be his basis for support, as well as success moving forward.

 

[Rogue219]

LOL

 

[ACamp1900]

Any chance we could play LSU in a bowl game?…….oh wait

I literally thought of posting this yesterday but thought it too low brow for a man of culture and esteem like myself.

 

[Irish#1]

Well, saying he's looking for his next challenge when he hasn't even accomplished the one in front of him (and the one those young men signed up for with him) is such a bitch move.

His whole pitch to recruits has been, ND is the hard path but the hard path is rewarding and here is why. These guys bought in and signed up for that. In the midst of a trying season that didn't start as planned they pushed through the noise and struggles to put themselves in a position to have some real post season success. And here's Kelly telling them that he's out of here, like this.

I'm waiting for him to tell a recruit it's a 40 year decision. lol

 

[Free Manera]

You know what's hilarious about all this? At his press conference he says he will not try to bring ND's commits with him.

As if they would follow him lol. Look at the stark difference between him and Riley, who basically everyone wants to follow. Kelly can't even double his assistants' salaries to get them to come with him.

 

[Dale]

You know what's hilarious about all this? At his press conference he says he will not try to bring ND's commits with him.

As if they would follow him lol. Look at the stark difference between him and Riley, who basically everyone wants to follow. Kelly can't even double his assistants' salaries to get them to come with him.

Wouldn’t be making that victory lap this quickly

 

[Free Manera]

Wouldn’t be making that victory lap this quickly

I mean I get it. But all of the podcasts and stories that have come out this week have one thing in common - the players don't play for Kelly. They weren't even allowed to talk to him per today's Shamrock pod. They had to go through the captains to get to him.

It seems really likely that the only coaches that follow him are ones we don't care about like Polian and Quinn.

 

[Irish#1]

The thing is, it's far more difficult for the players at Notre Dame once they get there, than the players at freaking Stanford.

Stanford.

That's just ridiculous and untenable for a program that's trying to win championships and New Years 6 bowl games.

Do you guys understand that Notre Dame hasn't won anything significant in 28 years? That's not coaching. That's not bad luck. There are systemic problems with the University in how it deals with it's football program.

It is coaching. Look at the record since 2016. We're getting kids despite a Gug that is only 16 years old. If Kelly would have become more involved in recruiting there is a very good chance that we would have landed a few more studs and won a playoff game or two and possibly a NC in these last 5 years.

 

[GATTACA!]

I literally thought of posting this yesterday but thought it too low brow for a man of culture and esteem like myself.

 

[TDHeysus]

........Powerful people in the Administration are openly embarrassed of the football program. They say they think that it's bad optics to spend money on the football. Join the Ivy league then. Literally no one else has that kind antagonistic relationship with football program. Other schools are excited for their team. They have team spirit. ND is embarrassed. That's a problem. And these problems are systemic and need to be addressed......

'Systemic issues' are so overblown these days, however not in this^ case. The same core issues that Holtz fought about in the 90's, still exist today at ND; maybe even worse than ever. As Sea Turtle points out (that we all know is true) there are ppl in ND administration that are against the football program. Speaking with non-ND friends about BK leaving, almost of them seem to say something to the effect of, "BK took ND as far as he could" and I while I don't totally agree, there is definitely some truth in that statement.

ND can still win, but there is almost no room for error (cannot miss on recruits, cannot miss on coaching hires, cannot survive with players unable to play because academics/probation/dog house). Knowing this, and me having been thru the Davie/Willingham/Weis years you can clearly see how critical getting the right coach on the first hire is.

Whether its Freeman, Fickell, or Funkenwagnal, Savvy Jack has to hit the bullseye on a moving target at a 1000 yards (and he has no room for error).

 

[TorontoGold]

We are far better than what we were 12 years ago. I give Brian Kelly and Jack Swarbrick big kudos for that. They did that despite the administration. I'm not pooing on anybody for being excited. Be excited. I'm hopeful for Marcus Freeman as well.

This isn't about the past, I point it out as evidence. This is about the future. We just lost the coach that brought us the success of the last 5 years and those two classes. Not to retirement or dismissal. He left for another school because this school won't let him win. And he said it out loud. He wants to win. This is embarrassing for the University. BK is publicly saying 'i can't win at ND but I can at LSU.' Good. ND needs to hear this. ND needs to change. Not completely but they need to adjust to modern times. I'm hopeful this will light a fire under them.

​​​​None of you are addressing the fact that Notre Dame makes it more difficult on its players than Stanford. Don't you and others think that's a real problem?

This is on top of the fact that ND boxes itself out of most of the best players out there. That's a problem. Duke has no problem taking the best players in the land. They want to win.

Powerful people in the Administration are openly embarrassed of the football program. They say they think that it's bad optics to spend money on the football. Join the Ivy league then. Literally no one else has that kind antagonistic relationship with football program. Other schools are excited for their team. They have team spirit. ND is embarrassed. That's a problem. And these problems are systemic and need to be addressed.

My father and grandfather were ND fans. That's why I am. My grandfather is passed on and my dad doesn't even watch anymore. I don't watch the nfl anymore. Maybe I will get to the point where I won't cfb. But until then, I still watch cfb and racing. That's about it.

Brian Kelly saying that he can't win at ND is not the indictment that you think it is. Unless you think that Brian Kelly is infallible and that no one else could succeed in this position. Marcus Freeman has quite literally shown that you can get elite talent in modern times to commit to play football at ND. This isn't Ole Miss 2013 bagman type stuff.

If Brian Kelly is the pinnacle of college football then why bother? It's been noted numerous times that if he had put more effort in recruiting would have benefited from that. Sure additional help from the administration would be beneficial, but if the team has had the success it's had the past 5 years, getting sustained top 5 classes with MF at the helm puts us right in there to compete for a title. It's not farfetched to say with the boon in BCR from strong MF classes ND would be competitive in playoff games in the near future.

TLDR - What is your point? Being negative for the sake being a contrarian is lame, it's not unique, and everyone hear wants to win. Cheering on BK's comments as he burns down the bridges on the way out isn't the fashionable spot you think it is.

 

[phork]

Why would the administration care what boosters do with their money? If some powerful alum came in and said "Heres a blank cheque do the business" why would the administration say no?

 

[Irish#1]

I mean I get it. But all of the podcasts and stories that have come out this week have one thing in common - the players don't play for Kelly. They weren't even allowed to talk to him per today's Shamrock pod. They had to go through the captains to get to him.

It seems really likely that the only coaches that follow him are ones we don't care about like Polian and Quinn.

That's one way to build a relationship with your players. And in his speech to the team he tells them how he recruited all of them. lol

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Why would the administration care what boosters do with their money? If some powerful alum came in and said "Heres a blank cheque do the business" why would the administration say no?

Control. They want to keep NDFB as a subsidiary of the University system as a whole, which means they're not willing to treat it like a separate business that happens to benefit the University.

This is where the bullsh!t about us forming a new Ivy League comes from. Swarbrick and Jenkins look at a program like Stanford, see it spending 4-8% of it's total budget on the athletic department, and feel they have to do the same to keep the tail from wagging the dog. Meanwhile, all the programs we're hoping to compete with for titles have blown the tops off their AD budgets. The latter is unsustainable and has obvious problems, but we're currently trapped between incompatible models of what NDFB should look like.

Hopefully Freeman can thread the needle and convince the admin that it's possible to spend big enough to win without compromising our core values. I think it's possible, but lots of people on the BoF don't.

 

[Luckylucci]

I mean I get it. But all of the podcasts and stories that have come out this week have one thing in common - the players don't play for Kelly. They weren't even allowed to talk to him per today's Shamrock pod. They had to go through the captains to get to him.

It seems really likely that the only coaches that follow him are ones we don't care about like Polian and Quinn.

You know you've done a bad job when, the new school that wants all of your colleagues doesn't want you. And the school that might not have any of your colleagues left, doesn't either.

In all of what Loy has said, I find it hilarious that Quinn isn't wanted at either program. I don't know what the future holds for this offense but if Rees takes control of it, I'd like to see him make this call.

 

[Irishnuke]

[TWEET]https://mobile.twitter.com/kmess22/status/1465858295940399106[/TWEET]

 

[Luckylucci]

The Latest | Notre Dame & Amorion Walker | Irish Sports Daily

Shocker, BK was lying to Dan Patrick when he said he wasn't going to recruit ND's commits. He's expected to have a call with Amorion Walker very soon.

 

[NDdomer2]

The Latest | Notre Dame & Amorion Walker | Irish Sports Daily

Shocker, BK was lying to Dan Patrick when he said he wasn't going to recruit ND's commits. He's expected to have a call with Amorion Walker very soon.

I mean the kid is in state, he is obligated really. And who is to say he is an ND commit really?

 

[NDBoiler]

The Latest | Notre Dame & Amorion Walker | Irish Sports Daily

Shocker, BK was lying to Dan Patrick when he said he wasn't going to recruit ND's commits. He's expected to have a call with Amorion Walker very soon.

To be fair, Walker has been wavering for a while now, and I bet the staff may not even have considered him a commit at this point. Now if he starts going after someone like JD Price, staff better start throwing some ‘bows in BK’s direction.

 

[GoldenAura]

I mean the kid is in state, he is obligated really. And who is to say he is an ND commit really?

I really don't think of Walker & Williams as commits right now. Just assuming they're gone.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

BK has all the resources in the world and can throw buckets of money at his former assistants to come to LSU. Yet none of the most important ones are jumping ship from the place that you supposedly can’t win at to follow him and have expressed an interest at staying at ND. I find that very interesting.

 

[GATTACA!]

“This was about money. This was about ego. Him looking at LSU and saying, ‘I’ve played against them. I know the hurdles you have to jump over at Notre Dame vs. LSU to recruit and I want to try and go win a National Championship.’ And he might feel like he has a better chance there, but the irony of it is his team could literally be playing for one this year and really the next two years. And I think the way he did it was more about his ego and how he feels he was treated at times at Notre Dame…

At the end of the day, you don’t leave the way he did, leaving a recruits house after this news breaks, and having other coaches out there who are on the road recruiting; you don’t leave in a classless way like that, after becoming the all-time winningest coach, unless there’s more to it and you want to try to spurn, or try and do this in a conniving way.”

- Brady Quinn​

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/brady-q...153448390.html

 

[ThePiombino]

The Latest | Notre Dame & Amorion Walker | Irish Sports Daily

Shocker, BK was lying to Dan Patrick when he said he wasn't going to recruit ND's commits. He's expected to have a call with Amorion Walker very soon.

I mean the kid is in state, he is obligated really. And who is to say he is an ND commit really?

To be fair, Walker has been wavering for a while now, and I bet the staff may not even have considered him a commit at this point. Now if he starts going after someone like JD Price, staff better start throwing some ‘bows in BK’s direction.

LSU not having a WR coach is somehow an improvement over our situation...

 

[NDdomer2]

LSU not having a WR coach is somehow an improvement over our situation...

You act like this is what matters to him and none of the items u quoted say anything other than BK has called him and that he's been iffy for quite some time. No sure how this even circles back to LSUs wr coach. But maybe I'm just a dumb dumb for not seeing it.