Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

Brian Kelly Revisited

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MNIrishman

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NorthDakota said:
The money in, money out thing is where I am constantly confused and surprised. I get the whole TV deals, huge stadiums, big donors, but holy shit I have no idea where some of these guys are getting the money for these buyouts, new facilities, new coaches, enormous annual operating budgets, shit is bananas.
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For most schools, it's debt. Eyeball-watering, soul-crushing debt: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...tball-s-top-teams-are-built-on-crippling-debt

I'd love to get in a cold war-like arms race with these schools. They'd collapse like the Soviet Union.
 
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Irishize said:
The million dollar question is ‘why won’t ND do it?’



They have the funds.



It doesn’t adversely affect their academic standards for football players.



What gives?
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We could easily get in a financial arms race without even so much as discussing lowering academic standards, yet they don't. It's the admin. Can't get out of their own way.

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IrishLax said:
Every fan at every school wants their school to be the best, and fans wishing it were that way (or voicing that to decision makers) is not enough to make that a reality.

If you want any legitimate voice at all, you need to be a big money donor (millions) or be politically connected. Even your average Board of Trustee member has very limited influence in decision making.

Sports operate in a silo unless there are off-the-field issues. Money in, money out. You want Weis fired? Front the buyout. You want more money for coordinators? Cut the check. Until then, "demanding" does nothing. In the words of the Wu Tang Clan -- Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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Wasn't it big money boosters that ultimately got Willingham fired before his contract was up?
 
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Irishize said:
The million dollar question is ‘why won’t ND do it?’

They have the funds.

It doesn’t adversely affect their academic standards for football players.

What gives?
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I can't imagine a world where the ND admin cares more about winning an athletics funding arms race than the long term financial health of the University. Finding a way to have a good degree of success while remaining fiscally responsible seems like the most ND thing possible.

Whether or not you buy the narrative of "We do things differently here", the ND exceptionalism is either genuinely believed by the admin or is being played as a PR/marketing tactic. Either way, I find it hard to be critical of it.
 
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Irish du Nord said:
I can't imagine a world where the ND admin cares more about winning an athletics funding arms race than the long term financial health of the University. Finding a way to have a good degree of success while remaining fiscally responsible seems like the most ND thing possible.

Whether or not you buy the narrative of "We do things differently here", the ND exceptionalism is either genuinely believed by the admin or is being played as a PR/marketing tactic. Either way, I find it hard to be critical of it.
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This isn't an either/or situation. Our endowment is something like 26 times that of LSU's. We don't really need to increase spending all that much relative to our resources to create a game that cannot be won by schools like Alabama, Clemson, and LSU over the long run. Now if Northwestern, Michigan, and Stanford decide to play ball, then we need to have a discussion about priorities.
 
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Now if BK can start getting his most talented WRs on the field earlier, I'll be more optimistic about 2021.
 
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Irish du Nord said:
I can't imagine a world where the ND admin cares more about winning an athletics funding arms race than the long term financial health of the University. Finding a way to have a good degree of success while remaining fiscally responsible seems like the most ND thing possible.

Whether or not you buy the narrative of "We do things differently here", the ND exceptionalism is either genuinely believed by the admin or is being played as a PR/marketing tactic. Either way, I find it hard to be critical of it.
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This would sincerely be a wonderful point if ND didn't already have more money than Croesus. How much money do you think is being talked about compared to what ND has in the bank? I'm being hyperbolic with this next comment, but I'd bet that ND could pay for 10 Kelly contracts from 1 home game + basket collection.

We have the ability to compete with Alabama every year and do it with whatever integrity ND wants to think it has. The Admin chooses not to. It's a choice to not be the best when you can be. It's wrong.

edit: I have a friend who's a Knight of Malta who doesn't think much of ND morally or ethically for whatever that's worth.
 
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NDFAN420 said:
This would sincerely be a wonderful point if ND didn't already have more money than Croesus. How much money do you think is being talked about compared to what ND has in the bank? I'm being hyperbolic with this next comment, but I'd bet that ND could pay for 10 Kelly contracts from 1 home game + basket collection.

We have the ability to compete with Alabama every year and do it with whatever integrity ND wants to think it has. The Admin chooses not to. It's a choice to not be the best when you can be. It's wrong.

edit: I have a friend who's a Knight of Malta who doesn't think much of ND morally or ethically for whatever that's worth.
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Knights of Malta are Knights of Columbus rejects. One takes over the world with pancakes, the other.... well...

Haters hate. Let's go ND
 
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NorthDakota said:
Knights of Malta are Knights of Columbus rejects. One takes over the world with pancakes, the other.... well...

Haters hate. Let's go ND
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I don't think you have any idea what the Knights of Malta are and that's ok. Not sure why you have to knock two Catholic lay groups with one stone, but that's ok too. All I'm saying is practice what you preach. Haters hate = 0
 
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NDFAN420 said:
I don't think you have any idea what the Knights of Malta are and that's ok. Not sure why you have to knock two Catholic lay groups with one stone, but that's ok too. All I'm saying is practice what you preach. Haters hate = 0
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Lol you are 100% right here.

I've heard of them in historical context but that's it
 
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It has probably already been mention and he won't do it but BK should try to get Tom Herman as OC. He would help with recruiting Texas.
 
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T-Boone said:
It has probably already been mention and he won't do it but BK should try to get Tom Herman as OC. He would help with recruiting Texas.
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I'm not sure he would. It seems like one of the reasons he was let go was because he wasn't doing well with in state coaches. Sounds like he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in Texas.

If we want to go after an out of a job offensive mind, we should check in with Kirk Ciarrocca.
 
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Why are we trying to hire a new OC?...
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I like Tom. He's a good guy, met him once. But we scored 24 collective points in our final two games. Rees doesn't have much experience outside of BK's ecosystem. I wouldn't demote him just to demote him, but if a renowned OC was willing to take the slot, I'd hope Rees would understand. He's one of the youngest coordinators in the country and, while he's certainly promising and talented, he's not one of the best yet. He could learn from someone like Herman.
 
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SouthSideChiDomer said:
I'm not sure he would. It seems like one of the reasons he was let go was because he wasn't doing well with in state coaches. Sounds like he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in Texas.

If we want to go after an out of a job offensive mind, we should check in with Kirk Ciarrocca.
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That is interesting. I still think he could get us a better shot at some of the talent around Houston.
I read a headline that Saban might get him to Bama so if he is interested in a big time OC position then lets have a go.
 
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MNIrishman said:
I like Tom. He's a good guy, met him once. But we scored 24 collective points in our final two games. Rees doesn't have much experience outside of BK's ecosystem. I wouldn't demote him just to demote him, but if a renowned OC was willing to take the slot, I'd hope Rees would understand. He's one of the youngest coordinators in the country and, while he's certainly promising and talented, he's not one of the best yet. He could learn from someone like Herman.
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That is my logic. He would get a good job at a smaller program and it would surely be good for him. Or be underneath Herman and learn a lot as well.
I also cannot imagine Rees is a draw card in recruiting presently. Herman would have to be an improvement.
 
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MNIrishman said:
I like Tom. He's a good guy, met him once. But we scored 24 collective points in our final two games. Rees doesn't have much experience outside of BK's ecosystem. I wouldn't demote him just to demote him, but if a renowned OC was willing to take the slot, I'd hope Rees would understand. He's one of the youngest coordinators in the country and, while he's certainly promising and talented, he's not one of the best yet. He could learn from someone like Herman.
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We should probably give him the chance to see what he can do with some perimeter skill guys, no? We should see a stead improvement over the next two seasons. If not, time ot move on.
 
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Don’t understand those saying we need a new OC. Rees went undefeated in the regular season considering we were without our two best WR’s majority of the year
 
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Rees' system and play calling isn't the problem.
He does need to recruit his butt off though to add some big time skill.
 
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