Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

Sherm Sticky · Sep 10, 2016

stlnd01 said:
I don't think five-stars are "less likely to qualify academically" than the average recruit (let's say three star or higher). It's just that there are a lot fewer five-stars, and thus fewer who qualify academically in a raw-numbers sense. You're fishing in a smaller pond than you are with three-stars. There's also a lot more competition.

Yep. There are usually what like 25-30 5 stars every year? Heck ESPN only gives out about 10 5 stars yearly.

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kmoose · Sep 11, 2016

I think people need to think about this:

IF ND had prevailed against Texas, we would be knocking on the Top 5 in the AP poll right now. I know we DIDN'T, but just to show you how one or two plays can make a real difference.......... Yoon makes that FG against Texas, and we are talking about who we might see in the Playoffs, not when our coach might get fired.

stlnd01 · Sep 11, 2016

kmoose said:
I think people need to think about this:

IF ND had prevailed against Texas, we would be knocking on the Top 5 in the AP poll right now. I know we DIDN'T, but just to show you how one or two plays can make a real difference.......... Yoon makes that FG against Texas, and we are talking about who we might see in the Playoffs, not when our coach might get fired.

Shush you, and your so-called perspective.

kmoose · Sep 11, 2016

stlnd01 said:
Shush you, and your so-called perspective.

MJ12666 · Sep 11, 2016

kmoose said:
I think people need to think about this:

IF ND had prevailed against Texas, we would be knocking on the Top 5 in the AP poll right now. I know we DIDN'T, but just to show you how one or two plays can make a real difference.......... Yoon makes that FG against Texas, and we are talking about who we might see in the Playoffs, not when our coach might get fired.

But they didn't prevail. The problem is that when they needed to make some plays on offense (like the last two times they had the ball in regulation - excluding the very last series when they took a knee) they failed to make them and they lost.

Guest · Sep 13, 2016

kmoose said:
I think people need to think about this:

IF ND had prevailed against Texas, we would be knocking on the Top 5 in the AP poll right now. I know we DIDN'T, but just to show you how one or two plays can make a real difference.......... Yoon makes that FG against Texas, and we are talking about who we might see in the Playoffs, not when our coach might get fired.

But that didn't happen so the point doesn't matter. And it doesn't account for the rest of the games on the schedule. Even if we beat TX, giving up 50 points doesn't bode well for the rest of the schedule. We are not talking play by play or week by week analysis. We are talking trends in decision making, recruiting, etc.

gkIrish · Sep 13, 2016

kmoose said:
I think people need to think about this:

IF ND had prevailed against Texas, we would be knocking on the Top 5 in the AP poll right now. I know we DIDN'T, but just to show you how one or two plays can make a real difference.......... Yoon makes that FG against Texas, and we are talking about who we might see in the Playoffs, not when our coach might get fired.

IF we didn't catch a pass in the last 15 seconds against Virginia we would have lost that game and the season would have been a disaster.

One play does make a difference. It can go either way.

PANDFAN · Sep 13, 2016

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past 30 games at home record

Guest · Sep 13, 2016

So we should schedule all games at home, and we will be just fine.

Blaise · Sep 13, 2016

PANDFAN said:
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past 30 games at home record

Cancel the Shamrock Series!

NDgradstudent · Sep 13, 2016

PANDFAN said:
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past 30 games at home record

A more relevant number if you want the program to take the next step is the record against the final AP top 10 and top 25. BK's record against such teams is 2-9 and 6-18, respectively.

How many such teams have we played at home? Not many.

GowerND11 · Sep 13, 2016

NDgradstudent said:
A more relevant number if you want the program to take the next step is the record against the final AP top 10 and top 25. BK's record against such teams is 2-9 and 6-18, respectively.

How many such teams have we played at home? Not many.

Just thinking about away games in the last couple years... Clemson, FSU, and Stanford were all super close losses away. Who's to say that if we play those games at home we don't win them? Bumps his record to 5-6 and 9-15, respectively. Definitely better.

NDgradstudent · Sep 13, 2016

GowerND11 said:
Just thinking about away games in the last couple years... Clemson, FSU, and Stanford were all super close losses away. Who's to say that if we play those games at home we don't win them? Bumps his record to 5-6 and 9-15, respectively. Definitely better.

That is true, we would probably have won those games if they were at home. But we're approaching an 'if we'd won more we would have won more' claim. The top coaches win everywhere.

gkIrish · Sep 13, 2016

GowerND11 said:
Just thinking about away games in the last couple years... Clemson, FSU, and Stanford were all super close losses away. Who's to say that if we play those games at home we don't win them? Bumps his record to 5-6 and 9-15, respectively. Definitely better.

What about Stanford and Pitt in 2012 off the top of my head? Both were home OT wins. Who is to say that if those games were played on the road that we win them?

Irish Insanity · Sep 13, 2016

Does it really matter how close the score or game was. W/L is all that matters.

gkIrish · Sep 13, 2016

Irish Insanity said:
Does it really matter how close the score or game was. W/L is all that matters.

I completely agree with you. I hate excuses and I can't stand all the "Well if not for xyz" b.s. used to justify not meeting expectations.

greyhammer90 · Sep 13, 2016

NDgradstudent said:
A more relevant number if you want the program to take the next step is the record against the final AP top 10 and top 25. BK's record against such teams is 2-9 and 6-18, respectively.

How many such teams have we played at home? Not many.

I don't really have a position here, but just because that stat bugs me: Our record against the final AP top 10 isn't ever likely going to be good, because the reason they are in the final AP top 10 is because we lost to them. For us to beat a team and them to still be in the top ten would mean that they would need to be undefeated except their loss to us. How many of those have there been in the last six years? MSU in 2013 and? Top ten (and twenty-five) at the time we played them would be a better stat.

NDgradstudent · Sep 13, 2016

greyhammer90 said:
I don't really have a position here, but just because that stat bugs me: Our record against the final AP top 10 isn't ever likely going to be good, because the reason they are in the final AP top 10 is because we lost to them. For us to beat a team and them to still be in the top ten would mean that they would need to be undefeated except their loss to us. How many of those have there been in the last six years? MSU in 2013 and? Top ten (and twenty-five) at the time we played them would be a better stat.

Their ranking at the time we played them is meaningless; it doesn't measure how good the team actually is. GT was ranked when we played them last year.

The figures again, with other coaches added (these are my calculations, I'm happy to be corrected):

Kelly: (2010-2015)
Top 10: 2-9
Top 25: 6-18

Saban (2007-2015)
Top 10: 11-10
Top 25: 27-12

Meyer (2012-2015)
Top 10: 3-3
Top 25: 9-3

NDRock · Sep 13, 2016

What was the other top 10 win other than MSU?

IrishBroker · Sep 13, 2016

Irish Insanity said:
Does it really matter how close the score or game was. W/L is all that matters.

gkIrish said:
I completely agree with you. I hate excuses and I can't stand all the "Well if not for xyz" b.s. used to justify not meeting expectations.

I agree...but style points do matter with the pollsters and committee.

I don't think we shoot up to top5 if we beat an unranked UT team in a game where we give up 50 pts.

We'd move up, but not top5

zelezo vlk · Sep 13, 2016

NDRock said:
What was the other top 10 win other than MSU?

Oklahoma 2012?

My mistake. It was Stanford that same year. MSU was also 11 in the final poll for 2011.

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NDgradstudent · Sep 13, 2016

NDRock said:
What was the other top 10 win other than MSU?

Stanford 2012.

NDRock · Sep 13, 2016

NDgradstudent said:
Stanford 2012.

Gotcha, thanks.

GowerND11 · Sep 13, 2016

gkIrish said:
What about Stanford and Pitt in 2012 off the top of my head? Both were home OT wins. Who is to say that if those games were played on the road that we win them?

Oh I agree. I just threw that out there since it seems we've been playing more top 10 teams away than home. Not sure if it is the case.

Either way, I was t attempting to make an excuse.

Sherm Sticky · Sep 13, 2016

Why is this thread at the top of the timeline? Jeeeeez

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ACamp1900 · Sep 13, 2016

Sherm Sticky said:
Why is this thread at the top of the timeline? Jeeeeez

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Not sure, let's keep asking though...

johnnycando · Sep 13, 2016

ACamp1900 said:
Not sure, let's keep asking though...

Yup. Bump.

Irish Insanity · Sep 13, 2016

johnnycando said:
Yup. Bump.

You should get that looked at

johnnycando · Sep 13, 2016

Irish Insanity said:
You should get that looked at

The angry inch hoss.

Don't salivate.

ThePiombino · Sep 14, 2016

Sherm Sticky said:
Why is this thread at the top of the timeline? Jeeeeez

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ACamp1900 said:
Not sure, let's keep asking though...

johnnycando said:
Yup. Bump.

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