Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[Dale]

We're being very selective here in what counts as lazy nepotism by Kelly. Diaco followed Kelly from Cinci, and 2012 doesn't happen without his defense.Elston also followed Kelly from Cinci, and has turned our DL into a source of stability and excellent over the last 11 years. Promoting Clark Lea to DC was very risky, and he surely would have gotten crucified for it as an uninspired hire... except that Lea turned out to be even better than Elko.

Conversely, the outside hires haven't all been hits either. Chip Long was such an asshole that the players were on the verge of a mass walk-out when he was fired.

Staffing is hard, especially for a job as weird and demanding as CFB coach. Kelly's certainly not above criticism, but his hiring philosophy has paid off more than its hurt us.

Freeman also is best friends with a coach who was already on staff, coached at BKs former school, coached at Purdue which I’m sure has a link to someone, coached with Denbrock.

Its not Rees level close but Freeman was in BKs maybe not smaller circle but medium circle

 

[Sea Turtle]

This times 1000000000000000000000000000000000.

Sometimes I feel like I'm at NDNation.

Did ND shit the bed against Cincinnati? Absolutely.. And we can dissect the game 1000 different ways. Fact is, they lost. And the fact is, we ALL knew that this years team wasn't going to compete for a playoff spot, and if they did? They completely overachieved. There were too many things to overcome.... BUT, the shit I'm reading right now is amazing.

Notre Dame isn't Alabama (and no one else is)and reload with 5 star talent every season. Hell, Clemson without Trevor Lawrence seems to have hit the wall. Ohio State for all the talent they get every year, seems to not be the same team we're used to seeing. These things happen to normal programs (outside of bama).

A lot of you need to chill the F out and look towards Virginia Tech.

I don't know what to say. If you don't want to drink from the skulls of every team on the schedule, then I can't help you.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I don't know what to say. If you don't want to drink from the skulls of every team on the schedule, then I can't help you.

If you're this miserable after a single loss to a damn good top 10 opponent, I would've hated to read your posts from the Weis era.

 

[Rogue219]

We're being very selective here in what counts as lazy nepotism by Kelly. Diaco followed Kelly from Cinci, and 2012 doesn't happen without his defense.Elston also followed Kelly from Cinci, and has turned our DL into a source of stability and excellent over the last 11 years. Promoting Clark Lea to DC was very risky, and he surely would have gotten crucified for it as an uninspired hire... except that Lea turned out to be even better than Elko.

Conversely, the outside hires haven't all been hits either. Chip Long was such an asshole that the players were on the verge of a mass walk-out when he was fired.

Staffing is hard, especially for a job as weird and demanding as CFB coach. Kelly's certainly not above criticism, but his hiring philosophy has paid off more than its hurt us.

Yeah, I agree with this 100%. Kelly had to really dig deep and reassess where the program was after that 4-8 season. Hiring Elko and Long were very good moves at the time. The Lea hire was a huge unknown at the time and all that happened was the defesne played very well and the guy got an HC job at Vanderbilt.

I did not like the Quinn and Rees hires. I still don't. I thought the TE coach hire was weak too.

I think the nepotism ended when he went with Elko and Long. Quinn is more of a recent outlier whereas the hires like Van Gorder and Gilmore were trends at the time. Lyght and Denson were alumni hires that had no history with Kelly. Rees is an alumni hire that was recruited by Weis but played his entire career FOR Kelly. I honestly believe the less degrees of separation a guy has with Kelly's previous resume is a good thing when hiring assistants and I would really only consider former players unless they were proven articles. Right now I don't really know who is out there other than Stockton and Crum, who are both DC, and it doesn't appear Freeman is going anywhere. Denson became an HC and I am not sure where Lyght is now, but I think the point is they need to use the reach they have with the ND brand and this "winning culture" to bring in people who are going to hit the ground running. Especially on the offensive side of the ball.

I would agree however that Kelly did a solid audit after that trainwreck of a season and has extended his hiring reach compared to when he first got here. The Grand Valley State tree isn't bearing fruit anymore and I think he realizes that.

 

[Rogue219]

If you're this miserable after a single loss to a damn good top 10 opponent, I would've hated to read your posts from the Weis era.

Those teams were licking their own shit from their shoes, let alone drinking from the skulls of their opponents.

 

[NDRock]

Freeman also is best friends with a coach who was already on staff, coached at BKs former school, coached at Purdue which I’m sure has a link to someone, coached with Denbrock.

Its not Rees level close but Freeman was in BKs maybe not smaller circle but medium circle

Freeman was the #1 guy out there and we had to outbid LSU for him. Neither Quinn or Rees would have sniffed an SEC type job if we didn’t promote them. Let’s also not forget him letting go of his good buddy Longo. The S&C took a step up when he brought in an outside guy in Balis.

 

[Sea Turtle]

If you're this miserable after a single loss to a damn good top 10 opponent, I would've hated to read your posts from the Weis era.

i vent for a day and a half after a loss. The night of and the next day. I'm over it now.

I live in the south. It just means more down here. For example, we say that there are three things that are best in life:

Crush the enemies
See them driven before you
And to hear the lamentations of their women

Anything less just leaves us crestfallen.

 

[Dale]

i vent for a day and a half after a loss. The night of and the next day. I'm over it now.

I live in the south. It just means more down here. For example, we say that there are three things that are best in life:

Crush the enemies
See them driven before you
And to hear the lamentations of their women

Anything less just leaves us crestfallen.

So it just means more to you because you’ve been trolling the board more than you normally do for the last 48 hours? Weird flex

 

[NDRock]

i vent for a day and a half after a loss. The night of and the next day. I'm over it now.

I live in the south. It just means more down here. For example, we say that there are three things that are best in life:

Crush the enemies
See them driven before you
And to hear the lamentations of their women

Anything less just leaves us crestfallen.

Except the time you got your ass handed to you and then spent the next 160 years building monuments, statues and flying flags as remembrance to that ass whipping.

You’d think you would want to forget about that.

 

[Sea Turtle]

So it just means more to you because you’ve been trolling the board more than you normally do for the last 48 hours? Weird flex

I don't troll the board, Dale. At least not intentionally. I do vent and everyone knows that. Sometimes I try to be funny(posting a video of a steaming pile of poo) or ironic(UT dropping 62 on Mizzou or Freeman pining back for Cincy).

But one thing I will never do is attack any of you guys. I like you guys and this board. Even when I'm attacked, I ignore it.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I find your post rather amusing given your forum name.

I said it earlier in this thread - Kelly deserves to leave on his own terms and timing. I just don't think he has much left in the tank personally. My initial point in this thread was more along the lines of ND has maxed out it's potential under BK. He's brought the program a loooong way from the Weis and Willingham lows. Maybe this is the ceiling for any coach at ND, it's hard to say. I just hope there is an effort to make a transition to someone like Freeman when it's time.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Except the time you got your ass handed to you and then spent the next 160 years building monuments, statues and flying flags as remembrance to that ass whipping.

You’d think you would want to forget about that.

 

[Irish#1]

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Sounds like it’s Pyne Time.

Really doesn't have much of a choice besides Pyne TBH. Everyone says the team rallies around him and what better way to get a team up after a loss? Focus in practice should be sharp. He definitely needs the reps to get on the same page with the receivers. There were two throws against Cincy where he threw the opposite way of the WR's break. Could have been the receiver, but given his lack of practice reps I'm guessing it was on him.

 

[NDMatt91]

I said it earlier in this thread - Kelly deserves to leave on his own terms and timing. I just don't think he has much left in the tank personally. My initial point in this thread was more along the lines of ND has maxed out it's potential under BK. He's brought the program a loooong way from the Weis and Willingham lows. Maybe this is the ceiling for any coach at ND, it's hard to say. I just hope there is an effort to make a transition to someone like Freeman when it's time.

He said before his extension last year that his next contract would be his last.

 

[IRISHMAN]

Really doesn't have much of a choice besides Pyne TBH. Everyone says the team rallies around him and what better way to get a team up after a loss? Focus in practice should be sharp. He definitely needs the reps to get on the same page with the receivers. There were two throws against Cincy where he threw the opposite way of the WR's break. Could have been the receiver, but given his lack of practice reps I'm guessing it was on him.

I still cant get the image of kevin Austin dropping a ball that hit right in the hands that would have put ND around mid field in the 4th quarter down 17-13, what could have been.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I still cant get the image of kevin Austin dropping a ball that hit right in the hands that would have put ND around mid field in the 4th quarter down 17-13, what could have been.

You can do this with a infinite series of events and it will still lead you to an unsatisfactory result. What if we didn't give them three RZ opportunities in the 1st half or allow them to score before halftime when they get the ball back again or leave Coan in too long or start him for that fact....

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

He said before his extension last year that his next contract would be his last.

I cannot find where he ever said this. Can you link?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Except the time you got your ass handed to you and then spent the next 160 years building monuments, statues and flying flags as remembrance to that ass whipping.

You’d think you would want to forget about that.

I have lived in the south for over 20 years but was born and raised in Indiana. I'm glad the North won as I love the US. I am convinced that southerners are more patriotic than northerners, having spent about equal time in both. I guess they are just more passionate people.

Having said that, Grant Takes Command is my favorite historical book. But that might be partially because one of my direct ancestors is in it. I would recommend it. Heck, I almost named my son Grant.

 

[T-Boone]

I still cant get the image of kevin Austin dropping a ball that hit right in the hands that would have put ND around mid field in the 4th quarter down 17-13, what could have been.

Yep. That was worse than whatever got him benched in 2019.

 

[Crazy Balki]

You can spell "secession", without S-E-C.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think it's silly to be revisiting BK at this time. But, I do think BK should be revisiting Quinn and Rees.

 

[T Town Tommy]

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Sounds like it’s Pyne Time.

It’s fair to question BK on why he wouldn’t have known this prior to last Saturday. With that said, BK is still the best coach available for the Irish. Y’all gotta stop with all the emotional stuff. The hardest thing to build in a CFB is depth. Miss on a few players here or there in any position group and good coaches and good teams will make you pay. Going in I thought ND was a 10-2 type team and that hasn’t changed. Keep on keeping on… continue to recruit at a high level and coach them up.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I think it's silly to be revisiting BK at this time. But, I do think BK should be revisiting Quinn and Rees.

Quinn > Del > Rees - that's the order imo

 

[Sea Turtle]

Quinn > Del > Rees - that's the order imo

Quinn and Del have to be gone after the season. You can't defend the play of the receivers and line. Rees I guess can stay as long as this other two are UPGRADED.

 

[Sea Turtle]

It’s fair to question BK on why he wouldn’t have known this prior to last Saturday. With that said, BK is still the best coach available for the Irish. Y’all gotta stop with all the emotional stuff. The hardest thing to build in a CFB is depth. Miss on a few players here or there in any position group and good coaches and good teams will make you pay. Going in I thought ND was a 10-2 type team and that hasn’t changed. Keep on keeping on… continue to recruit at a high level and coach them up.

No one seriously wants him gone. He goes out on his terms in three years or so.

 

[GATTACA!]

I don't think Kelly should be fired. I do think an ultimatum needs to set though that Rees is gone at the end of the year or Kelly and the program part ways. He's just terrible. It's honestly embarrassing that he's our OC when we're on the doorstep trying to break into the upper echelon.

 

[NDFAN420]

Except the time you got your ass handed to you and then spent the next 160 years building monuments, statues and flying flags as remembrance to that ass whipping.

You’d think you would want to forget about that.

just wanted to bump this one again.

 

[IrishLax]

I just really don't understand the Rees hate. The offense improved mightily when he replaced Long, and I just don't see a bunch of scheme issues. I see personnel issues, and yeah... QB is a part of that... but for certain it isn't the biggest part.

I do understand the Quinn hate.

 

[GATTACA!]

I just really don't understand the Rees hate. The offense improved mightily when he replaced Long, and I just don't see a bunch of scheme issues. I see personnel issues, and yeah... QB is a part of that... but for certain it isn't the biggest part.

I do understand the Quinn hate.

Coan RPOs, running slow developing run plays with a sieve of an offensive line, Buchner's predictable utilization, etc. There are plenty of scheme things to dislike about Rees.

Tbf I wanted him gone before even seeing his on the field performance this season. His recruiting is also below the standard we need it to be.

 

[Dale]

Coan RPOs, running slow developing run plays with a sieve of an offensive line, Buchner's predictable utilization, etc. There are plenty of scheme things to dislike about Rees.

Tbf I wanted him gone before even seeing his not he field performance this season. His recruiting is also below the standard we need it to be.

Why can’t Coan run a RPO? A Mac Jones RPO and Matt Corral RPO are different.