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Boys baseball forfeits state title
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johnnykillz
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From the article comments:
Note: She plays second base.
Note: She plays second base.
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Grahambo
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I don't have an issue with that. They have a policy and stuck to it. If people disagree with it then so be it but you can't get mad because you disagree with it.
Besides, if a guy can get kicked off a girls field hockey team because he is "to good", then oh well.
N.Y. boy kicked off girls' field hockey team for "superior play" - CBS News
Besides, if a guy can get kicked off a girls field hockey team because he is "to good", then oh well.
N.Y. boy kicked off girls' field hockey team for "superior play" - CBS News
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So it's perfectly logical then, for Criner to have played basketball.
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In this case, they stood up for bigotry.
I can't believe some of the bullsh!t i'm reading here. This was a public tournament and the girl was playing for a school that chose not to "stand for" discrimination. The coaching staff and parents of those kids forced their children to publicly discriminate a young girl because of what?.... because she didn't know her place? They were forcing their own idiotic views on a tournament that had no rules against girls playing in it. If they were going to force their kids to publicly forfeit a game because of the sex of one of the opposing players, then they shouldn't have entered the tournament in the first place.
If the school had a "whites only" policy and forfeited the game because an african american kid played on the other team, would you be cool with that too? Or is it just discrimination against women that you guys feel should be taught to children?
I hope none of you dudes have a little girl one day that gets treated this way.
I'm embarrassed for you...
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johnnykillz
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Wooly.
Go join a girls softball team.
Let me know how that works out for ya. Those bigots will accuse you of being a pervert.
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I fully agree with you Wooly. It would be a completely different story if it was a girl on a football team and they didnt want to hurt her physically. But they didnt want to play her because they feel in their hearts women have no place in athletics. Very classless act by a "catholic" school.
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The school this girl plays for doesn't even have a softball team, thats why she is playing on the baseball team. She is also a starter and one of the better players on the team.
This tournament and the girl the school played for have no rules against girls playing on boys teams. If she was good enough to play for them, then they shouldn't have a problem with it either.
So when these kids become adults should they assume that they wont have to compete for jobs with women? This isn't 1800, dude. Women have equal rights in this country and the parents of these kids taught their kids to openly discriminate women.
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They don't and they didn't. You can't debate everything with hypotheticals but since you always do, here's one for you. Say I'm in a boxing tournament where I literally try to beat the **** out of my opponent. Say a girl signs up for the tournament and I draw her in the first round. If I refuse to beat the shiit out of her, am I discriminating against her?
The girl doesn't belong on a boys baseball team no more than a guy belongs on a girls field hockey team. Maybe they don't have rules against it but it sure as hell isn't called a coed baseball team. It's a boys team. Sucks for her that her school doesn't have softball but I think it's something she can live without. Btw, I have a four year old girl and I will never allow her to play on a strictly boys team of any kind. If you do, well then I'm embarrassed for your child.
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Do some research before you pop off against the Church. Our Lady of Sorrows Academy is run by the Society of St. Pius X, which is "Catholic" in name only. They're a separatist branch which has no canonical status in the Catholic Church; in other words, the ministries exercised by its priests and bishops are not legitimate within the Church.
How do you know that "they feel in their hearts women have no place in athletics"? The article simply states that they believe strongly that boys and girls should be taught separately. As a man who attended an all-male high school, and one who has done a fair amount of research on education reform, there is much to recommend a sex-segregated approach-- particularly for boys.
Do I agree with Our Lady of Sorrows' decision here? No. It strikes me as unnecessary to abstain from competition against a team with a single female on it because one believes in sex-segregated education. But I don't see how they've harmed anyone aside from the boys on their own team.
I'm constantly amazed at how readily many alleged ND fans ignorantly rail against the Catholic Church around here.
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No it wouldn't.
Women absolutely do have a place in athletics. Women's athletics.
Men have a place in athletics. Men's athletics.
We're not talking about adult's rights here.
You think Notre Dame would let a girl play CB?
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They are actually ran by the Society of Saint Pius X, which has been excommunicated from the Catholic church. In my personal opinion, because of their rejection of "Nostra Aetate," they are also anti-semites. Which means that is more difficult for members of the Society to engage in dialogue with Jews.
They actually used to have an article titled, "The Mystery of Jews" on their website that read pretty similar Mein Kampf.
I think people should be careful promoting the views of a school that "stand for" this type of bigotry.
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This isn't a a contact sport, so that is an awful comparison. She had every right to compete in the tournament and there were no rules against it. If the team felt that strongly about sexism then they shouldn't have entered a tournament that allowed it.
So where do you personally draw the line? Would it be ok for girls to compete in track against men? Or should they just stay in the kitchen where they belong?
If my daughter wanted to play against boys in a non-contact sport I would totally allow her to. I would allow her because I would want my daughter to know that she doesn't have to listen to the discrimination people like you spew. I would want her to know that nothing will be holding her back from accomplishing anything she wants in this world.
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I fail to see why it's an issue.
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Not just ND fans but all people in general. Any media tells you they are the "Catholic Church" and they take every thing as what the Church teaches.
Wooly---maybe you should go do gymnastics ribbon routine. See how that works for you.
Ok Wooly let's say your daughter wants to play softball. What if a boy or a group of boys took her spot on the team? Would you say that is fair?
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It's just as poor of a comparison as the one you made about separating blacks and whites. That's the point I was trying to make, that your hypothetical situation was stupid.
I think I made it very clear where I draw the line but I'll answer your insulting and condescending question anyways. Girls should stick to girls sports. Boys should stick to boys sports. I fail to see how that's discriminating. If there is a coed or intramural sport that boys and girls or men and women can play together then by all means, have at it. If there is a "boys" or "girls" in the title, then it should stay gender specific. Am I allowed to take a **** in the girls restroom? Am I allowed to use the women's shower at the gym? I wish I could but I can't. I'm not pissed about it or whining about it online. I'm not going to protest and call for equal bathroom privileges. Why? Because no matter how you try to twist the situation to fit your own agenda, it's not discrimination.
My wife is also a pediatric nurse, far removed from the kitchen.
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Nothing would be holding her back except for reality brotha. According to wiki the current women's world record 400m time is held by Marita Koch, with a time of 47.60s.
I had a buddy in high school that would have given her a run for her money. I personally wouldn't want my daughter to experience the feeling of rounding the corner on the 400m and seeing literally every other participant waiting for her at the finish line... with her still 100m out.
I'm jabbing you of course Wooly, I understand and respect your point. I just laugh because you brought up track - the very same example that I use every time I get into the man v woman argument.
The reality is F and M are different. There isn't a better or a worse, but it's short sighted to say that they are the same. The same way that a white person telling a black man, "Hey man, I don't see in color" is being ignorant. We should celebrate differences, not try to label everyone as the same.
Anyway, got off topic. I'm not taking a side in the baseball argument, though I see no problem in what either side did. The girl wasn't breaking any rules. If the other team didn't want to play, fine. They only hurt themselves.
I also see the double standard that Killz and some others pointed out. Hilarious that it's all good for girl to hang with the boys, but its despicable for a guy to play with the girls.
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No.
Seriously.
I do.
But here's the actual truth: my wife is a stay at home momma. No one will raise your kids like the original bearer boys. And don't go feeding yourselves hormones. Mommas boobies still milk the best. No hair gets in the way. (I hope.)
And once the kiddos get old enough to all go to school, I'm gonna recommend she go try out for a baseball team.
My kids will be taught somethings boys do, somethings girls do.
That's my philosophy.
Boys don't hit girls. Boys honor women: they open the door for them. They don't curse around them. They pay for dinner on a date.
My daughters, I have two, can do most things men can do. No need to break it down too far. No, they shouldn't stand and pee. I expect them to move through the workforce very successfully. They will understand work ethic, as their mother and I will provide solid examples of such.
What happened to couth?
And women honor men. The way the lord intended it.
As in the bible...
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As someone who used to coach girls for over a decade, I completely disagree with your posts. I'm actually shocked so many people agree with this idiotic decision. It's like listening to a bunch of cavemen talk about women and their place.
Someone please answer the question - wtf is the big deal??? She plays second effing base in basically a non-contact sport for crying out loud! THERE'S NO SOFTBALL TEAM FOR HER TO PLAY ON, so she plays (and does well) on the boys' team. If my daughter grows up playing sports and she's put in the same situation, then hell yeah, she'd be on that team, and hell yeah, my family would be laughing at the ignorant, neanderthal parents and admin that didn't let their team play against her. Sh*t, considering my mom grew up in Spanish Harlem, and the only person of color she ever saw succeed at the time was Jackie Robinson (thus becoming her hero, her idol, her inspiration - she has a doctorate and she is a retired award-winning teacher and author - and she credits a lot of her success to a man she never met, Jackie Robinson), we'd be honored that our daughter and her teammates stood tall against ignorant bigots just like Jackie and his teammates did (on albeit a FAR smaller scale).
Seriously, I fail to see the problem here. Girls have been playing baseball against boys forever. I coached baseball against a few girls from time to time. Some of my students have played on soccer teams with boys b/c they are too good to play against girls and they can't afford club )one got offered a cub scholarship, will be a senior now and is in line to get a college scholly to play soccer on the next level).
If it's good enough for the Bad News Bears, then I say "Let her play! Let her play! Let her play!"
EDIT: As for the "Then guys should play on the girls' teams!!!" argument...seriously guys? Really? Common sense rule applies here. I can't believe any man would bring that up as his argument.
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Good for her. She wanted to compete and not only made the team, but was good enough to win a starting position on a team that was good enough to play for a state title.
I also saw that earlier this season she had honored their beliefs by sitting out against the same team. When it came to the championship game she decided to play.
I also saw that earlier this season she had honored their beliefs by sitting out against the same team. When it came to the championship game she decided to play.
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Males should play in leagues designated for males. Females should play in leagues designated for females. There are places for where both can play together. Those are called co-ed leagues. So unless this was designated as a co-ed league, I don't see the problem.
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I feel bad for the girl's team because they don't get the pleasure to beat the other team.
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You mean the boys team that had a girl on it.
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If she had the right to not be discriminated against shouldn't the other team have that right to? Just because you think their belief is stupid or ancient or whatever you want to insert here don't they have the right to believe it? What is the difference between sexual discrimination and and religious discrimination? And before you guys go on a all beliefs should be allowed rant using groups that cause physical harm to others these people did not cause her physical damage or put up any roadblocks to her.