Bowl Game - Anyone else sitting out?

[phork]

Peach Bowl. Must watch to not watch lol.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

How’s the line in this game swinging? First Walker decides to sit so line had to change one way now Pickett does the same and it should swing pretty well the other direction.

 

[Irish#1]

Me2SouthBend mentioned high schoolers may start skipping the AA bowls to avoid injury. He's right, someone's going to do it.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I’m telling you it’s just a matter of time until some big names sit out playoff games as well. I mentioned it w Alt and Fisher looking ahead a couple of years. Don’t be surprised when something like this happens. It may not be those 2 or w ND but it’s going to happen sooner rather than later.

 

[phork]

How’s the line in this game swinging? First Walker decides to sit so line had to change one way now Pickett does the same and it should swing pretty well the other direction.

Its anywhere from MSU -3 to -1.5.

 

[Rogue219]

Me2SouthBend mentioned high schoolers may start skipping the AA bowls to avoid injury. He's right, someone's going to do it.

You mean the Army All American and Under Armour all star games? Big deal. They're exhibition games. Grown men watch those broadcasts to see which hat teenaged Johnny puts on his head.

When they start skipping state playoffs, I'll clutch my pearls.

 

[Rasputin]

Rasputin believes there will come a point in the next couple of years where a playoff contending team loses its 3rd game of the season in late October and the draft eligible players walk away from the team to prepare for the draft.

Do you think the mercenaries at Texas A&M, with a little taste of their NIL money, are going to risk playing out the regular season when the team is 5-3 and has upcoming games against Bama, LSU and Auburn on the schedule? They gone.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Rasputin believes there will come a point in the next couple of years where a playoff contending team loses its 3rd game of the season in late October and the draft eligible players walk away from the team to prepare for the draft.

Do you think the mercenaries at Texas A&M, with a little taste of their NIL money, are going to risk playing out the regular season when the team is 5-3 and has upcoming games against Bama, LSU and Auburn on the schedule? They gone.

Unfortunately I believe they will jump ship after the 2nd loss. Why wait for 3rd, you’re already out w the 2nd.

 

[dublinirish]

AA Bowls will become HS Junior Exhibitions in due course, eventually Seniors won't want to risk playing in them. Who was it who broke their leg in one of those before?

 

[Free Manera]

I think ND coaches would be totally fine with signees not playing in these All Star games to be honest. ND doesn't use the game as a commit splash like some schools do. Just come to camp healthy.

It actually makes a lot of sense for it to be junior-centric so those guys can showcase their skills against good competition. It especially makes sense for guys that don't play great competition. It might alleviate concerns from schools and earn them scholarship offers they covet.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I know some hate the idea of the expansion in general but I think the move to 12 playoff games will alleviate the fears that some players will jump after a couple of losses, because 10-2 ND or 10-3 conference champs will certainly be in the conversation.

 

[Free Manera]

I know some hate the idea of the expansion in general but I think the move to 12 playoff games will certainly alleviate the fears that some players will jump after a couple of losses, because 10-2 ND or 10-3 conference champs will certainly be in the conversation.

That's a good point. I would rather 8 but regardless that could help. I do think that the transfer rule is a disaster with NIL in play now. They have to walk that back somehow now and just build in exceptions for a coach leaving, sanctions, etc.

 

[NDPhilly]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/kennypickett10/status/1471659281841799169?s=20[/TWEET]

Pitt’s biggest bowl game since Marino and their Heisman finalist captain opts out. What a joke.

If a kid like Kenny Pickett is going to sit out a major bowl game for Pitt, then bowls are officially dead. The playoff killed them. ESPN / ABC / Disney have done an incredible job since 2014 of making sure any team outside of the top 4 was irrelevant. This is the predictable end result.

Everyone with a brain knew that auto-transfers and NIL would result in chaos. The most vocal "pay the players" contingent on ESPN don't even care that much about the damn sport. ND is going to have high 4 & 5 star athletes bought out from under them year-after-year under the current rules.

I may have to turn into a "only watch the games" fan just for my own sanity. Shit is fuckin sad.

 

[Wild Bill]

Rasputin believes there will come a point in the next couple of years where a playoff contending team loses its 3rd game of the season in late October and the draft eligible players walk away from the team to prepare for the draft.

Do you think the mercenaries at Texas A&M, with a little taste of their NIL money, are going to risk playing out the regular season when the team is 5-3 and has upcoming games against Bama, LSU and Auburn on the schedule? They gone.

Wild Bill believes the response will just be "SMART BUSINESS DECISION! BODILY AUTONOMY! GO GET THAT MONEY YOUNG MAN!"

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Rasputin believes there will come a point in the next couple of years where a playoff contending team loses its 3rd game of the season in late October and the draft eligible players walk away from the team to prepare for the draft.

Do you think the mercenaries at Texas A&M, with a little taste of their NIL money, are going to risk playing out the regular season when the team is 5-3 and has upcoming games against Bama, LSU and Auburn on the schedule? They gone.

It already happened with the younger Bosa.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I think we are probably headed for two divisions.

One semi-pro
One NCAA Amateur

Not now but 10 years from now. And I'd be ok with either one we joined. They ruined it, unless someone steps in.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Wild Bill believes the response will just be "SMART BUSINESS DECISION! BODILY AUTONOMY! GO GET THAT MONEY YOUNG MAN!"

In literally ANY other profession... we would effusively congratulate young persons doing what is in their most selfish self interest in order to succeed at securing an opportunity at generationally impactful income. But this is different somehow.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think we are probably headed for two divisions.

One semi-pro
One NCAA Amateur

Not now but 10 years from now. And I'd be ok with either one we joined. They ruined it, unless someone steps in.

Tend to agree,… tho I totally agree with the last part

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

In literally ANY other profession... we would effusively congratulate young persons doing what is in their most selfish self interest in order to succeed at securing an opportunity at generationally impactful income. But this is different somehow.

It is, though. There's nothing intrinsically valuable about football. It draw money and attention because fans are loyal to and emotionally invested in their teams. The flip side of that is... fans are loyal to and and emotionally invested in their teams.

 

[Irish du Nord]

In literally ANY other profession... we would effusively congratulate young persons doing what is in their most selfish self interest in order to succeed at securing an opportunity at generationally impactful income. But this is different somehow.

Not sure I completely agree with this. Not the perfect example, but people have an issue with college students reneging on job offers. I don’t think it is without qualification that we think self interested acts are wholly good for young students.

 

[Wild Bill]

In literally ANY other profession... we would effusively congratulate young persons doing what is in their most selfish self interest in order to succeed at securing an opportunity at generationally impactful income. But this is different somehow.

Whiskey has addressed this issue several times and pop's, with that creepy ass avatar, makes a point as well.

Society as a whole really doesn't celebrate someone who picks money/individual interest when presented with a tough choice. We usually call these people sell outs, right? Is anyone out here cheering on a farmer's decision to sell his land so some contractor can build tract housing down the street? "Hell yes, Farmer joe, you get that paper!" Is anyone out here cheering on a local business owner who sells out to some corporate demon? Of course not. The net result will be shit and everyone knows it. Of course, we don't blame the individual's who profit, and for good reason - they're not bad people for making a choice that benefits them and many of us would make the same choice. That doesn't mean we have to celebrate this as a good thing. This is a bad thing for college football and we're kidding ourselves to believe it's not b/c we so desperately want some random person to get paid sooner rather than later.

 

[Bluto]

In literally ANY other profession... we would effusively congratulate young persons doing what is in their most selfish self interest in order to succeed at securing an opportunity at generationally impactful income. But this is different somehow.

In my estimation being a paid athlete is more comparable to being in a really physically demanding trade (miner, mason, roofer, laborer) than a white collar profession. You can have decent earning potential but once your body breaks down/your skill set related to said trade declines your earning potential bottoms out and then you’re kinda stuck.

Based on the number of former NFL players who have ended up on the skids a million bucks say for someone who doesn’t know how to manage it can evaporate pretty quickly.

It’s a shame the NCAA just gave up on even pretending academics mattered and let things devolve to this point.

It’s also weird to me that adults with apparently way too much money feel the need to throw the sums that are currently flying around at a game played by 18-22 year olds.

 

[Wild Bill]

In my estimation being a paid athlete is more comparable to being in a really physically demanding trade (miner, mason, roofer, laborer) than a white collar profession. You can have decent earning potential but once your body breaks down/your skill set related to said trade declines your earning potential bottoms out and then you’re kinda stuck.

Based on the number of former NFL players who have ended up on the skids a million bucks say for someone who doesn’t know how to manage it can evaporate pretty quickly.

It’s a shame the NCAA just gave up on even pretending academics mattered and let things devolve to this point.

It’s also weird to me that adults with apparently way too much money feel the need to throw the sums that are currently flying around at a game played by 18-22 year olds.

And they're basically throwing their money at a cause that will have a negative impact on the University, at least from an education standpoint. The irony is lost on them or they just don't give a shit.

 

[tussin]

In literally ANY other profession... we would effusively congratulate young persons doing what is in their most selfish self interest in order to succeed at securing an opportunity at generationally impactful income. But this is different somehow.

The entire concept of TEAM sports is that individuals do not act solely in their “selfish self interest” and do what is best for the collective. There are cases where it makes sense to sit out (Kyle Hamilton, arguably) but there are others where the decision can and should be criticized.

This is Pitt’s biggest bowl since the early 80s, Kenny was their captain and the city literally lit their skyline to support his Heisman campaign, he does not take big hits, and he has only missed one game in his 4-year career. The risk / reward calculation is wildly out of balance here. At a certain point the “go get yours” mentality is just quitting on your team.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Whiskey has addressed this issue several times and pop's, with that creepy ass avatar, makes a point as well.

Society as a whole really doesn't celebrate someone who picks money/individual interest when presented with a tough choice. We usually call these people sell outs, right? Is anyone out here cheering on a farmer's decision to sell his land so some contractor can build tract housing down the street? "Hell yes, Farmer joe, you get that paper!" Is anyone out here cheering on a local business owner who sells out to some corporate demon? Of course not. The net result will be shit and everyone knows it. Of course, we don't blame the individual's who profit, and for good reason - they're not bad people for making a choice that benefits them and many of us would make the same choice. That doesn't mean we have to celebrate this as a good thing. This is a bad thing for college football and we're kidding ourselves to believe it's not b/c we so desperately want some random person to get paid sooner rather than later.

Sorry but I dont agree with any of this. These persons have developed mental and physical abilities and skill sets that are in demand and can generate personal wealth. They leverage their abilities and skills to earn income just like anyone else would in any other professional setting. Its no different from a real estate tycoon being savy and snapping up properties and buying and selling properties or flipping properties to amass wealth or a person who creates companies and creates jobs then sells them to venture capitalist's for a nice pay day. They have a skill set and abilities that have value in this market and yet we congratulate the American capitalist living the American dream but demonize these kids for doing EXACTLY what society has told them to do and shown them how to do it. Their path is conscripted through the ranks of college football for at least three years after HS. There is no other currently valid and promising pathway to their desired profession. No different than some wall street trading wannabe having to fight and claw their ways into top tier internships at Morgan Stanley just to get their foot into Wall Street.

The real problem is that CFB has been romanticized and the ugly reality of recruiting and non-payment for their skills is being uprooted. It doesn't hurt me whatsoever that these individuals did their time and have their goal in sight and make a selfish choice to ensure that becomes a reality. We all have done it and will do it more in our own lives.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The entire concept of TEAM sports is that individuals do not act solely in their “selfish self interest” and do what is best for the collective. There are cases where it makes sense to sit out (Kyle Hamilton, arguably) but there are others where the decision can and should be criticized.

This is Pitt’s biggest bowl since the early 80s, Kenny was their captain and the city literally lit their skyline to support his Heisman campaign, he does not take big hits, and he has only missed one game in his 4-year career. The risk / reward calculation is wildly out of balance here. At a certain point the “go get yours” mentality is just quitting on your team.

Apply this concept to a profession and you will see how absurd it is. This hang up on "Team" is only applied to amatuer level sports teams. Its not applied to NFL..... Its not applied to fortune 500 companies, wall street, or a capitalist oriented business venture or Tommy's lemonade stand CFB is definitely not a military operation either. The corporate ladder isnt climbed by taking your cohort with you. You make selfish choices to improve your lot and personal wealth.

 

[tussin]

Apply this concept to a profession and you will see how absurd it is. This hang up on "Team" is only applied to CFB. Its not applied to NFL..... Its not applied to fortune 500 companies, wall street, or a capitalist oriented business venture and its definitely not a military operation either. The corporate ladder is climbed by taking your cohort with you. You make selfish choices to improve your lot and personal wealth.

We will just have to agree to disagree here.

In NFL terms, this is analogous to Patrick Mahomes opting out of the playoffs during his rookie contract to protect his free agency value. To the bolded specifically, everyone has a right to make that choice (obviously). But, it is absurd to hold the view that by making that choice you are somehow immune to criticism. The guy literally quit on his team... there's no other way around it.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

We will just have to agree to disagree here.

In NFL terms, this is analogous to Patrick Mahomes opting out of the playoffs during his rookie contract to protect his free agency value. To the bolded specifically, everyone has a right to make that choice (obviously). But, it is absurd to hold the view that by making that choice you are somehow immune to criticism. The guy literally quit on his team... there's no other way around it.

You telling me you considered your co-workers thoughts and feelings when deciding on taking a promotion and decided...nah...Im not goign to take that opportunity because Joe will be disappointed?

Mahone ( having a professional contract already) and sitting out a playoff isnt even the same league as a non-professional person preserving his body to ensure he gets his foot in the door. at the professional level when you are scrutinized head to toe for whatever ailment, injury, or imperfection can lead to you not getting a hefty payday. That is not apples to apples. Its just not.

When did I say they are immune to criticism? I'd wager that his team mates would have opinions on him doing that as well but again... what is that to me as a spectator? Similar to conflicts arising when a team mate is playing for better contract at the end of his current one. We dont care when a person we work with moves onto another place for more money, better benefits, better future options.

 

[EvilleIrish]

You mean the Army All American and Under Armour all star games? Big deal. They're exhibition games. Grown men watch those broadcasts to see which hat teenaged Johnny puts on his head.

When they start skipping state playoffs, I'll clutch my pearls.

HS kids are already skipping their senior years to avoid injury.

 

[Sea Turtle]

You telling me you considered your co-workers thoughts and feelings when deciding on taking a promotion and decided...nah...Im not goign to take that opportunity because Joe will be disappointed?

Mahone ( having a professional contract already) and sitting out a playoff isnt even the same league as a non-professional person preserving his body to ensure he gets his foot in the door. at the professional level when you are scrutinized head to toe for whatever ailment, injury, or imperfection can lead to you not getting a hefty payday. That is not apples to apples. Its just not.

When did I say they are immune to criticism? I'd wager that his team mates would have opinions on him doing that as well but again... what is that to me as a spectator? Similar to conflicts arising when a team mate is playing for better contract at the end of his current one. We dont care when a person we work with moves onto another place for more money, better benefits, better future options.

It would be more like getting a promotion that takes affect in 4-6 months and then telling your co-workers that you can't help them with the projects that your team is working on because you have to prepare for your new position coming up and you can't afford to make a crucial mistake that might affect said position.