Biden Presidency

[Bishop2b5]

Eh...I think wrong doing from the sitting President will always be more of a concern than from a candidate.

Yeah, a candidate who was the VP and used the head of a government agency to provide a lying cover for him. Oh yeah, HUGE difference! lol

 

[GoIrish41]

The same few people who spend half their lives in here virtue signaling and ranting about threats to democracy and dishonest politicians suddenly can't find a thing to say when it's their side caught at it. You guys are hypocrites. You don't give a flying fig about threats to democracy, dishonest politicians, attacks on government facilities, or any of the rest of it. You just want to bitch about the other side and then go deaf, dumb and silent when your side gets exposed.

Here's what we've seen for the past six years from the same small handful of willfully blind and biased folks in here, even when it was blatantly obvious lies, such as the Russian collusion and Steele dossier nonsense...


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... but show you ANYTHING negative and REAL about a Dem, and all we get is...

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I said prosecute him. WTF are you talking about? You never said that about Trump — even when he is caught red handed and not simply accused of something by people who get their news from the $787 million liars. Not once. So, tell me about this hypocrisy you speak of, simpleton.

 

[jprue24]

...and Bishop, you ball of reactionary emotion you, Biden was not the Vice President when this letter was created. He was the Democratic candidate for President.

Some of you like to do this. You throw in [these] inaccuracies that reframe the context to help justify your outrage

 

[jprue24]

Yeah, a candidate who was the VP and used the head of a government agency to provide a lying cover for him. Oh yeah, HUGE difference! lol

From the sitting President?

Yeah there is a difference

 

[TorontoGold]

I said prosecute him. WTF are you talking about? You never said that about Trump — even when he is caught red handed and not simply accused of something by people who get their news from the $787 million liars. Not once. So, tell me about this hypocrisy you speak of, simpleton.

You're supposed to say "Fake news media pushing lies again!", classic witch hunt!, Biden Derangement syndrome etc. We've been told that is the rational way to deal with these types of things. Get the "prosecute him if it turns out it's actually what people are claiming" out of here you virtue signaling pleb!

 

[Bishop2b5]

From the sitting President?

Yeah there is a difference

How in any meaningful way does it lessen the severity of what he did? He got a high-ranking official to use the "trustability/authority" of his position as the director of the CIA to lie for him to the American people in order to win an election. Whether he was the president, vice president, his party's candidate, or the assistant librarian at your old middle school is irrelevant to the crime. He used his position and power to lie to the American public for his own benefit.

 

[jprue24]

How in any meaningful way does it lessen the severity of what he did? He got a high-ranking official to use the "trustability/authority" of his position as the director of the CIA to lie for him to the American people in order to win an election. Whether he was the president, vice president, his party's candidate, or the assistant librarian at your old middle school is irrelevant to the crime. He used his position and power to lie to the American public for his own benefit.

Because one is in the position with all of its inherent power and authority.....the other is not.

Stop being stupid.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Because one is in the position with all of its inherent power and authority.....the other is not.

Stop being stupid.

Stop being duplicitous. A former VP who is your party's candidate is not powerless. Stop with this silly spinning. You don't think he had any power? Then you call up the director of the CIA and see if you can get him to talk 50 colleagues into knowingly signing off on a lie to help you. Go ahead. We'll wait. Drop the act. Biden used his position to get the director of the CIA to help him mislead the American public. People like you who make excuses for it, play it down, and refuse to acknowledge it are why this sort of stuff happens. FFS, show some integrity and honesty and just admit it was a totally dishonest, shit weasel, politically scummy thing to do instead of playing word games and trying to defend the SOB.

 

[GoIrish41]

Stop being duplicitous. A former VP who is your party's candidate is not powerless. Stop with this silly spinning. You don't think he had any power? Then you call up the director of the CIA and see if you can get him to talk 50 colleagues into knowingly signing off on a lie to help you. Go ahead. We'll wait. Drop the act. Biden used his position to get the director of the CIA to help him mislead the American public. People like you who make excuses for it, play it down, and refuse to acknowledge it are why this sort of stuff happens. FFS, show some integrity and honesty and just admit it was a totally dishonest, shit weasel, politically scummy thing to do instead of playing word games and trying to defend the SOB.

I get it. That’s your job.

 

[Irish#1]

Because one is in the position with all of its inherent power and authority.....the other is not.

Stop being stupid.

And the other was on his way to becoming president. Don’t underestimate Biden’s influence.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

The same few people who spend half their lives in here virtue signaling and ranting about threats to democracy and dishonest politicians suddenly can't find a thing to say when it's their side caught at it. You guys are hypocrites. You don't give a flying fig about threats to democracy, dishonest politicians, attacks on government facilities, or any of the rest of it. You just want to bitch about the other side and then go deaf, dumb and blind when your side gets exposed.

Here's what we've seen for the past six years from the same small handful of willfully blind and biased folks in here, even when it was blatantly obvious lies, such as the Russian collusion and Steele dossier nonsense...


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... but show you ANYTHING negative and REAL about a Dem, and all we get is...

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Russian collusion was real and you know it. Read the Mueller Report.

 

[ulukinatme]

Russian collusion was real and you know it. Read the Mueller Report.

Collusion is a funny way of spelling interference. Mueller actually said there was no collusion.

Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.

www.americanbar.org

 

[jprue24]

And the other was on his way to becoming president. Don’t underestimate Biden’s influence.

It was weeks before the election and you don't get to pretend that Trump wasn't capable of pulling off another upset.

 

[jprue24]

Collusion is a funny way of spelling interference. Mueller actually said there was no collusion.

Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.

www.americanbar.org

Here is another example of little details changing the context....

.....that article is reporting off of Barr's letter, not the report. IIRC, Barr's letter has been heavily criticized.

 

[jprue24]

Stop being duplicitous. A former VP who is your party's candidate is not powerless. Stop with this silly spinning. You don't think he had any power? Then you call up the director of the CIA and see if you can get him to talk 50 colleagues into knowingly signing off on a lie to help you. Go ahead. We'll wait. Drop the act. Biden used his position to get the director of the CIA to help him mislead the American public. People like you who make excuses for it, play it down, and refuse to acknowledge it are why this sort of stuff happens. FFS, show some integrity and honesty and just admit it was a totally dishonest, shit weasel, politically scummy thing to do instead of playing word games and trying to defend the SOB.

"people like me"

"People like me", wait and see. I have no doubt I will find out all about it through the house investigations that will surely commence as soon as possible.

Biden campaign, Blinken orchestrated intel letter to discredit Hunter Biden laptop story, ex-CIA official says

A former CIA official testified that then-Biden campaign senior adviser, now-Secretary of State Antony Blinken "played a role in the inception" of the public statement signed by current and past intelligence officials that claimed the Hunter Biden laptop was part of a Russian disinformation...

judiciary.house.gov

Your blowharding doesn't change the fact that that this is...imo... much closer (yet much worse) to Pecker killing stories for Trump or paying hush money (bribing) to stop people coming forward with negative information, than it is to the President of the United States calling up a State's Secretary of State and Speaker of the House and imploring them to, just find the exact number of votes he needs to win.

edit - more of your little context bullshit too....It was an ex-deputy director who said the biden campaign was the "impetus" behind a letter signed by "51 former intelligence officials".

Not that the Biden "call[ed] up the director of the CIA and see if you can get him to talk 50 colleagues into knowingly signing off on a lie". Nobody on that letter worked for the government and every one of them has the right to say what they said and be held accountable for it.

 

[drayer54]

Eh...I think wrong doing from the sitting President will always be more of a concern than from a candidate.

That’s why the left was so dismissive of the Russia investigation.

Also- your kids and their genitals are property of the state.

 

[goldandblue]

News flash…. ALL politicians are lying, cheating, no good sum bitches. They are all doing it for personal clout, financial benefits, family advancement, etc. I don’t believe any of them that have been there more than 4 years give two shits about the peasants that are you and I. It doesn’t matter which side of the aisle you are on. They are all pandering for votes to stay in office for the previously mentioned reasons. They are gonna sell you whatever it is you’re looking to buy to get your vote.

 

[jprue24]

That’s why the left was so dismissive of the Russia investigation.

Also- your kids and their genitals are property of the state.

....I think President Trump calling up the GA SoS and Speaker about the election results is infinitely worse than candidate Trump accepting election aide from a foreign government.

To be clear, I also think accepting election aide from a foreign government is worse than getting a bunch of former US intelligence officials to say this. Which is worse than having your buddy pay money to suppress negative stories about you.

 

[ulukinatme]

Here is another example of little details changing the context....

.....that article is reporting off of Barr's letter, not the report. IIRC, Barr's letter has been heavily criticized.

Okay, then show me where Mueller said there was collusion...because he didn't. I've checked AP's reporting, NPR, NBC. The closest thing came from Politico of all places and even that didn't say there was collusion, he just said it wasn't evaluated as they were looking for evidence to charge the Trump campaign with criminal conspiracy, which was none:

Former special counsel Robert Mueller pushed back against U.S. President Donald Trump’s characterizations of his 22-month investigation, telling lawmakers on Wednesday that he did not evaluate “collusion” with the Russian government, and confirming that his report did not conclude that there was “no obstruction” of the probe.

“The president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed,” Mueller told the House judiciary committee, adding that Trump could theoretically be indicted after he leaves office.

“We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term,” Mueller added. “Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.”

 

[Irish#1]

It was weeks before the election and you don't get to pretend that Trump wasn't capable of pulling off another upset.

Please, you're smart enough to realize how much pull Biden had even if it was two weeks before the election.

 

[Irish#1]

"people like me"

"People like me", wait and see. I have no doubt I will find out all about it through the house investigations that will surely commence as soon as possible.

Biden campaign, Blinken orchestrated intel letter to discredit Hunter Biden laptop story, ex-CIA official says

A former CIA official testified that then-Biden campaign senior adviser, now-Secretary of State Antony Blinken "played a role in the inception" of the public statement signed by current and past intelligence officials that claimed the Hunter Biden laptop was part of a Russian disinformation...

judiciary.house.gov

Your blowharding doesn't change the fact that that this is...imo... much closer (yet much worse) to Pecker killing stories for Trump or paying hush money (bribing) to stop people coming forward with negative information, than it is to the President of the United States calling up a State's Secretary of State and Speaker of the House and imploring them to, just find the exact number of votes he needs to win.

edit - more of your little context bullshit too....It was an ex-deputy director who said the biden campaign was the "impetus" behind a letter signed by "51 former intelligence officials".

Not that the Biden "call[ed] up the director of the CIA and see if you can get him to talk 50 colleagues into knowingly signing off on a lie". Nobody on that letter worked for the government and every one of them has the right to say what they said and be held accountable for it.

It's pretty much the same thing.

 

[RDU Irish]

News flash…. ALL politicians are lying, cheating, no good sum bitches. They are all doing it for personal clout, financial benefits, family advancement, etc. I don’t believe any of them that have been there more than 4 years give two shits about the peasants that are you and I. It doesn’t matter which side of the aisle you are on. They are all pandering for votes to stay in office for the previously mentioned reasons. They are gonna sell you whatever it is you’re looking to buy to get your vote.

Convention of States is the only way out IMO. Amazing how everyone hates/fears the opposition but can't wait to expand the size and scope of the government their opposition will eventually yield.

 

[jprue24]

Please, you're smart enough to realize how much pull Biden had even if it was two weeks before the election.

I am well aware that Candidate Biden has pull. I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm saying you are making a false equivalency.

 

[jprue24]

Okay, then show me where Mueller said there was collusion...because he didn't. I've checked AP's reporting, NPR, NBC. The closest thing came from Politico of all places and even that didn't say there was collusion, he just said it wasn't evaluated as they were looking for evidence to charge the Trump campaign with criminal conspiracy, which was none:

Show me where I said that they did? He said "collusion" wasn't evaluated because it isn't a legal term.

"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing, the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law."

His job was to look for "links and coordination". There was no expressed agreement between the Russian government and the Trump campaign so the was no "coordination" as Mueller defined it (also not a legal term).

"The order appointing the Special Counsel authorized him to investigate “the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” including any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign."

Links though...they found links.

"As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J.
Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not
establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Trump welcomed the help instead of reporting it to the FBI like a good American would have.

 

[ulukinatme]

Show me where I said that they did? He said "collusion" wasn't evaluated because it isn't a legal term.

"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing, the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law."

His job was to look for "links and coordination". There was no expressed agreement between the Russian government and the Trump campaign so the was no "coordination" as Mueller defined it (also not a legal term).

"The order appointing the Special Counsel authorized him to investigate “the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” including any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign."

Links though...they found links.

"As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J.
Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not
establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Trump welcomed the help instead of reporting it to the FBI like a good American would have.

You didn't say it, because SearchAndDestroy is the one I started this discussion with. His comment is what started this topic.

How did Trump welcome the help if Mueller found that no members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government? Based on the report it sounds like Trump's campaign was in the dark on what the Russians were doing directly. How would he report it to the FBI if they found he wasn't in possession of any information nor culpable of any crimes? That's like expecting me to know what you had for lunch this afternoon and go tell someone about it. Yeah, I'm assuming you had lunch because it's a given thing people do...like foreign countries interfering with our elections, but I can't begin to guess what you may have actually had because I have no direct knowledge of it.

 

[drayer54]

Convention of States is the only way out IMO. Amazing how everyone hates/fears the opposition but can't wait to expand the size and scope of the government their opposition will eventually yield.

No guarantee the CoS works or isn’t a pile of crap either. The CoS people I saw running bills in state level had this idealistic and academic take that they could just fix everything by bypassing the legislative process. I’m highly skeptical

 

[Irish#1]

Things must be heating up for Hunter.

Hunter Biden demands ethics probe into Marjorie Taylor Greene

 

[Blazers46]

It’s funny the Biden thread keeps becoming the “but Trump” thread.

 

[jprue24]

You didn't say it, because SearchAndDestroy is the one I started this discussion with. His comment is what started this topic.

How did Trump welcome the help if Mueller found that no members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government? Based on the report it sounds like Trump's campaign was in the dark on what the Russians were doing directly. How would he report it to the FBI if they found he wasn't in possession of any information nor culpable of any crimes? That's like expecting me to know what you had for lunch this afternoon and go tell someone about it. Yeah, I'm assuming you had lunch because it's a given thing people do...like foreign countries interfering with our elections, but I can't begin to guess what you may have actually had because I have no direct knowledge of it.

Are all these little lies a Catholic thing? Bishop brought up collusion, Seek was responding to him. Seek is wrong that there was "collusion", but is right to elude allude that there are plenty of links between the Trump campaign and the Russian government in the Mueller Report.

I quoted the report. There are 100 pages (25% of the reports pages) of links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. Associates repeated lied about the contacts, some went to jail for their lying, some got pardoned, some served their time. Even though it was redacted at the time, we know that Roger Stone was the connection between the campaign and wikileaks. Campaign manager Manafort is heavily connected to a Russian agent, providing the agent polling data for Russia to use.

Everyone in Trump's orbit lied about their contacts with Russia. Most just to the media, but some went to jail for lying about it to the government. His campaign manager and deputy campaign manager were two that served time. There were multiple points where campaign members or associates came into contact with Russian operatives.

 

[jprue24]

It’s funny the Biden thread keeps becoming the “but Trump” thread.

It's even funnier when you go back and see who brings up Trump the most. From the last month...

I’m putting less stock in approval ratings. People don’t like Joe, but will still vote on tribal lines. Of course he is doing a shitty job. Doesn’t mean people won’t vote for him over a generic R. Same argument vice versa. I really don’t want Trump, but I’d vote for him over Joe.

started a back n forth about Trump

So, the same people who were so worried about Trump being a Russian asset, which turned out to be false, now don't have anything to say when their president actually is bought and paid for by the Chinese. I guess they think the Chinese just gave all that money to Joe's family out of kindness.

Started a back and forth about Trump

Name one thing Trump did while in office that benefited China.

Started a back and forth about Trump

If this pans out, this is every bit on the same level as Trump trying to change votes.

Biden’s false Hunter laptop letter interfered in election beyond ‘anything China or Russia’ could do: GOP pol

President Biden’s campaign trick that falsely claimed that damning emails from son Hunter Biden’s laptop published by the Post before the 2020 election were Russian disinformation is fa…

nypost.com

Started a back and forth about Trump.