Biden Presidency

[Armyirish47]

Seems pretty spot on to me. Help us all understand how it isn't, please. In other words, what exactly has Joe touched that hasn't turned out to be a complete disaster?

Hope nobody needs baby formula out there... Seriously, what can this dude not fuck up?

Lol, I was talking about the narrative that mean tweets were the only reason for low approval ratings for President Trump.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Both are a freaking disaster. But the voters, in all their infinite wisdom, will probably give us Biden VS Trump again.

 

[drayer54]

Ronny D vs Buttigag is my prediction for right now. The left will likely push out the super-qualified Veep and most progressive POTUS ever for him. I hope I'm wrong...

 

[Irish2155]

Ronny D vs Buttigag is my prediction for right now. The left will likely push out the super-qualified Veep and most progressive POTUS ever for him. I hope I'm wrong...

My 401k would probably appreciate this.

 

[Sea Turtle]

My 401k would probably appreciate this.

Miine as well. I'm going to have to switch from cigars to a pipe.

 

[Irish#1]

Lol, I was talking about the narrative that mean tweets were the only reason for low approval ratings for President Trump.

It wasn't just the tweets. It was the overall way he communicated through PC's or announcements. He would call out people and while he was probably right on a number of them, it wasn't the way D.C. politics was accustomed to being run. Many didn't like that he used EP to push things through when Congress was wading through all of the red tape. The press didn't like him because he didn't play their game.

 

[Armyirish47]

It wasn't just the tweets. It was the overall way he communicated through PC's or announcements. He would call out people and while he was probably right on a number of them, it wasn't the way D.C. politics was accustomed to being run. Many didn't like that he used EP to push things through when Congress was wading through all of the red tape. The press didn't like him because he didn't play their game.

I'll frame this like I'm the drayer upside down world version.

It also COULD have been the double digit members of his team arrested, the unfinished wall that has already crumbled that Mexico didn't pay for and cost taxpayers, the continued existence of government healthcare established by he who shall not be named, the trade war with China that hasn't curbed their practices but has cost households and taxpayers tremendous amounts of money, the handing over of Afghanistan, the disastrous response to COVID, the tax cuts that had negligible impact unless you were wealthy, the exploding deficits, holding military aid from another country in exchange for political dirt, working to reduce or eliminate NATO, an explosion of murder/crime, overly cozy relationship with peeps like Putin, etc. etc. etc.

COULD have been, maybe, tiniest of possibilities.

 

[Irish#1]

I'll frame this like I'm the drayer upside down world version.

It also COULD have been the double digit members of his team arrested, the unfinished wall that has already crumbled that Mexico didn't pay for and cost taxpayers, the continued existence of government healthcare established by he who shall not be named, the trade war with China that hasn't curbed their practices but has cost households and taxpayers tremendous amounts of money, the handing over of Afghanistan, the disastrous response to COVID, the tax cuts that had negligible impact unless you were wealthy, the exploding deficits, holding military aid from another country in exchange for political dirt, working to reduce or eliminate NATO, an explosion of murder/crime, overly cozy relationship with peeps like Putin, etc. etc. etc.

COULD have been, maybe, tiniest of possibilities.

Not sure what you mean about the healthcare, but the trade war with China has been going on for a long long time, so if you want to put that at the feet of Trump you also have to put it at the feet of Biden and at least the last five presidents. People particularly lefties have been wanting us out of Afghanistan for a long time. Let's not forget the disaster when we left Afghanistan. That's all on Biden. The pull out could have been canceled or at least delayed until things were in place to make it a successful pullout. Instead we saw mass hysteria, people clinging to the wheels of planes as they taxied down the runway and the Taliban taking over the country in a manner of days. Get back to me on Biden's disastrous handling of COVID and we'll discuss who was worse. Those tax cuts you complained about must have been working as interest rates were at a low we haven't seen for decades. Unemployment was at an all-time low and gas prices were low. Joe printed out money like it was free. Now inflation is rising faster than an Indy car, gas prices are rising as fast and we have logistic problems keeping everything in stock. Threatening to withhold military aid is a tool Presidents have been using for a long time. Are we sure Trump would have withdrawn from NATO or was it a ploy to get other countries to pay their fair share? Let's not forget how Biden turned around and screwed the French on the submarine deal. Seems funny that Putin didn't invade Ukraine until after Trump was out. Remember, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

 

[drayer54]

Not sure what you mean about the healthcare, but the trade war with China has been going on for a long long time, so if you want to put that at the feet of Trump you also have to put it at the feet of Biden and at least the last five presidents. People particularly lefties have been wanting us out of Afghanistan for a long time. Let's not forget the disaster when we left Afghanistan. That's all on Biden. The pull out could have been canceled or at least delayed until things were in place to make it a successful pullout. Instead we saw mass hysteria, people clinging to the wheels of planes as they taxied down the runway and the Taliban taking over the country in a manner of days. Get back to me on Biden's disastrous handling of COVID and we'll discuss who was worse. Those tax cuts you complained about must have been working as interest rates were at a low we haven't seen for decades. Unemployment was at an all-time low and gas prices were low. Joe printed out money like it was free. Now inflation is rising faster than an Indy car, gas prices are rising as fast and we have logistic problems keeping everything in stock. Threatening to withhold military aid is a tool Presidents have been using for a long time. Are we sure Trump would have withdrawn from NATO or was it a ploy to get other countries to pay their fair share? Let's not forget how Biden turned around and screwed the French on the submarine deal. Seems funny that Putin didn't invade Ukraine until after Trump was out. Remember, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

The tax cuts worked. NATO is a problem-

Watch this video years back and tell me who was right on Russia, and look at what is so painfully obvious now. Trump demanded Merkel pay up for defense spending; the media scorned him like an idiot. Look at who is holding back NATO sanctions and the deadweight of NATO? Trump was right. NATO is not perfect...

Biden said the deaths were unacceptable and that would shut down the virus. More people have died from the virus under Biden. During Omnicron and over a year into the mess, we couldn't find a test kit anywhere, and the country was a mess. Under Joe Biden.

Blaming Trump for Afghanistan is comical. It wasn't Trump who surrendered the airfields and left during the fighting season.

Trump recognized Russia and China were a problem. I'm hopeful the people running Joe Biden recognize China is a problem now.

 

[Armyirish47]

Not sure what you mean about the healthcare, but the trade war with China has been going on for a long long time, so if you want to put that at the feet of Trump you also have to put it at the feet of Biden and at least the last five presidents. People particularly lefties have been wanting us out of Afghanistan for a long time. Let's not forget the disaster when we left Afghanistan. That's all on Biden. The pull out could have been canceled or at least delayed until things were in place to make it a successful pullout. Instead we saw mass hysteria, people clinging to the wheels of planes as they taxied down the runway and the Taliban taking over the country in a manner of days. Get back to me on Biden's disastrous handling of COVID and we'll discuss who was worse. Those tax cuts you complained about must have been working as interest rates were at a low we haven't seen for decades. Unemployment was at an all-time low and gas prices were low. Joe printed out money like it was free. Now inflation is rising faster than an Indy car, gas prices are rising as fast and we have logistic problems keeping everything in stock. Threatening to withhold military aid is a tool Presidents have been using for a long time. Are we sure Trump would have withdrawn from NATO or was it a ploy to get other countries to pay their fair share? Let's not forget how Biden turned around and screwed the French on the submarine deal. Seems funny that Putin didn't invade Ukraine until after Trump was out. Remember, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

Lol, go off King! Again, I'm just addressing why President Trump MIGHT have had low approval ratings beyond mean tweets or whatever the narrative became after he left office. Nothing I said had anything to do with President Biden because he wasn't, you know, President at the time.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I’m firmly a political independent but from my perspective, I would say President Trump’s approval ratings were largely anchored down by his persona, the excessive media bias against him and his supposed collusion with Russia. There were surely other negative perceptions about his administration but I view those as secondary. It would have been interesting to see how the Trump Administration would have fared had the media been neutral overall and the Russia Collusion story was squelched earlier (since it now appears to be false).

 

[TorontoGold]

Lol, go off King! Again, I'm just addressing why President Trump MIGHT have had low approval ratings beyond mean tweets or whatever the narrative became after he left office. Nothing I said had anything to do with President Biden because he wasn't, you know, President at the time.

The corporate tax cuts worked!!! All these companies recorded record profits! I love serfdom! L o l

Trade wars have been happening for decades, but COVID started Jan 2021, inflation is limited to only country with only the second stimulus package mattering, gas prices are driven by one country, these O&G companies must be facing tough times too....right? Maybe if you kissed the feet of the collective corporate overlords you wouldn't be such a radical lefty!

 

[RDU Irish]

I'll frame this like I'm the drayer upside down world version.

It also COULD have been the double digit members of his team arrested, the unfinished wall that has already crumbled that Mexico didn't pay for and cost taxpayers, the continued existence of government healthcare established by he who shall not be named, the trade war with China that hasn't curbed their practices but has cost households and taxpayers tremendous amounts of money, the handing over of Afghanistan, the disastrous response to COVID, the tax cuts that had negligible impact unless you were wealthy, the exploding deficits, holding military aid from another country in exchange for political dirt, working to reduce or eliminate NATO, an explosion of murder/crime, overly cozy relationship with peeps like Putin, etc. etc. etc.

COULD have been, maybe, tiniest of possibilities.

Trump punted on Afghanistan after talking tough about withdrawing - four years not enough to get it done? I expect he knew it could happen cleanly and saved it for someone else - or his lame duck 2nd term if you want to give him benefit of the doubt. First president NOT to start a foreign conflict in ages though, when he was labeled as the harbinger of WW3. As bad as Biden's withdrawal was - at least it is done.

Trump was suckered by Fauci - nobody else listened to the elf for 30 years and Trump fell for the "two weeks" lie. That decision gets large credit for our current woes, but most people think we didn't lock down hard enough so I knock it for the opposite of the most common reason. Isolate the old folks and vulnerable and let it spread. Sending college kids home was stupid, IMO - youngest healthiest could have gotten it and recovered before coming home for summer. Massive immune population to help care for others and keep the economy functioning. Still don't recognize natural immunity - everybody gets blame for that but Trump started on the wrong foot.

Spent way too much but at least most of it was one time versus the never ending money drains Dems like to push. Military spending was a big push - we really can't figure out how to be more effective with less money? Temporary individual tax cuts were necessary to get permanent corporate tax reform that was bigly needed. Feds have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

 

[ACamp1900]

I’m firmly a political independent but from my perspective, I would say President Trump’s approval ratings were largely anchored down by his persona, the excessive media bias against him and his supposed collusion with Russia. There were surely other negative perceptions about his administration but I view those as secondary. It would have been interesting to see how the Trump Administration would have fared had the media been neutral overall and the Russia Collusion story was squelched earlier (since it now appears to be false).

I can’t stand Trump,… but I would say the media played a huge factor. If he did anything it was awaken people to how deeply embedded the media was on one side of the isle. He didn’t help myself however, dude should have stayed off Twitter and acted more the part

 

[ab2cmiller]

I can’t stand Trump,… but I would say the media played a huge factor. If he did anything it was awaken people to how deeply embedded the media was on one side of the isle. He didn’t help myself however, dude should have stayed off Twitter and acted more the part

This. Coverage was pretty slanted, but Big Don made himself an easy target. Don is a narcissist.

All those things that Army posted may have been important to a very small minority, but in regards to his low poll numbers, almost meaningless to Avg Joe Citizen.

 

[Armyirish47]

This. Coverage was pretty slanted, but Big Don made himself an easy target. Don is a narcissist.

All those things that Army posted may have been important to a very small minority, but in regards to his low poll numbers, almost meaningless to Avg Joe Citizen.

Perhaps, I would point out that 1 in 5 adults in the US use twitter. Also Democrats percentage of the voting population remained the same while Independents shrunk a bit. The biggest change was that in 2016 Independents went 47 - 41 for President Trump while in 2020 they went 54 - 41 for President Biden. President Biden also got 16,000,000 more votes than Secretary Clinton. That's at least a fair number of Avg Joe Citizens, yes? Did the coverage and tweets change dramatically from one election to another? Yes, no, who knows?!?!?! I would argue that chalking it up to mean tweets or whatever other whimsical way to put it is narrative chasing to obscure the real issues that drove so many people to the polls. Exit polling, demographics, everything point to larger somethings and failing to recognize the actual issues that led to the election results will only lead to poor decision making down the road. It's easy to say "if only a candidate were nicer!", it's much harder to articulate policy choices that would win elections or make a politician more popular.

 

[TorontoGold]

Perhaps, I would point out that 1 in 5 adults in the US use twitter. Also Democrats percentage of the voting population remained the same while Independents shrunk a bit. The biggest change was that in 2016 Independents went 47 - 41 for President Trump while in 2020 they went 54 - 41 for President Biden. President Biden also got 16,000,000 more votes than Secretary Clinton. That's at least a fair number of Avg Joe Citizens, yes? Did the coverage and tweets change dramatically from one election to another? Yes, no, who knows?!?!?! I would argue that chalking it up to mean tweets or whatever other whimsical way to put it is narrative chasing to obscure the real issues that drove so many people to the polls. Exit polling, demographics, everything point to larger somethings and failing to recognize the actual issues that led to the election results will only lead to poor decision making down the road. It's easy to say "if only a candidate were nicer!", it's much harder to articulate policy choices that would win elections or make a politician more popular.

Ironically the argument that the media is one the who sunk him, seem to miss the layup they got from the FBI with the emails story for HRC. That's just good ol'fashion reporting but Donny was a victim who got held back by MSM? Ok lmao.

 

[Irish#1]

I’m firmly a political independent but from my perspective, I would say President Trump’s approval ratings were largely anchored down by his persona, the excessive media bias against him and his supposed collusion with Russia. There were surely other negative perceptions about his administration but I view those as secondary. It would have been interesting to see how the Trump Administration would have fared had the media been neutral overall and the Russia Collusion story was squelched earlier (since it now appears to be false).

You said it better than me.

 

[Irish#1]

Perhaps, I would point out that 1 in 5 adults in the US use twitter. Also Democrats percentage of the voting population remained the same while Independents shrunk a bit. The biggest change was that in 2016 Independents went 47 - 41 for President Trump while in 2020 they went 54 - 41 for President Biden. President Biden also got 16,000,000 more votes than Secretary Clinton. That's at least a fair number of Avg Joe Citizens, yes? Did the coverage and tweets change dramatically from one election to another? Yes, no, who knows?!?!?! I would argue that chalking it up to mean tweets or whatever other whimsical way to put it is narrative chasing to obscure the real issues that drove so many people to the polls. Exit polling, demographics, everything point to larger somethings and failing to recognize the actual issues that led to the election results will only lead to poor decision making down the road. It's easy to say "if only a candidate were nicer!", it's much harder to articulate policy choices that would win elections or make a politician more popular.

Lol…..you’re the one who tried to put words in my mouth by referring to Twitter. I said it was more than that.

ABC and Rockin’ said it better than me.

 

[Armyirish47]

Lol…..you’re the one who tried to put words in my mouth by referring to Twitter. I said it was more than that.

ABC and Rockin’ said it better than me.

Lolwut?

 

[GATTACA!]

Biden has zero chance of reelection with inflation effecting people like this....

 

[drayer54]

 

[Bishop2b5]

This is what happens when you elect a guy whose entire career is a study in mediocrity and lack of substance and accomplishment. He's never been a good lawyer, father, or politician. What did you think would change when you put him in charge? This is what happens when you govern by polls instead of exhibiting actual leadership. It's what happens when most of your appointments are based on checking off some gender/race/orientation box or pandering to the radical wing of your party instead of based on merit and actual qualifications. You've got Banjo Boy surrounded by mostly inept and unqualified advisors who can't do any better or minimize his mistakes.

 

[ulukinatme]

This is what happens when you elect a guy whose entire career is a study in mediocrity and lack of substance and accomplishment. He's never been a good lawyer, father, or politician. What did you think would change when you put him in charge? This is what happens when you govern by polls instead of exhibiting actual leadership. It's what happens when most of your appointments are based on checking off some gender/race/orientation box or pandering to the radical wing of your party instead of based on merit and actual qualifications. You've got Banjo Boy surrounded by mostly inept and unqualified advisors who can't do any better or minimize his mistakes.

Hey, those mostly inept and unqualified advisors are the most diverse group we've ever put together, and that's more important than competent leadership.

 

[RDU Irish]

This is what happens when you elect a guy whose entire career is a study in mediocrity and lack of substance and accomplishment. He's never been a good lawyer, father, or politician. What did you think would change when you put him in charge? This is what happens when you govern by polls instead of exhibiting actual leadership. It's what happens when most of your appointments are based on checking off some gender/race/orientation box or pandering to the radical wing of your party instead of based on merit and actual qualifications. You've got Banjo Boy surrounded by mostly inept and unqualified advisors who can't do any better or minimize his mistakes.

"Never underestimate Joe's ability to F things up." - B. Hussein Obama

Senators make shitty presidents - we should work from the governor pool more than anything. Actual executive experience instead of bloviating grandstanders who have never accomplished squat.

 

[Irish#1]

Hey, those mostly inept and unqualified advisors are the most diverse group we've ever put together, and that's more important than competent leadership.

I sleep so much better knowing we have such a diverse group of leaders. Competency be damned!

 

[Irish#1]

Hey, those mostly inept and unqualified advisors are the most diverse group we've ever put together, and that's more important than competent leadership.

Boy did you hit the nail on the head!

She continued: "As I mentioned, there have been unanticipated and large shocks to the economy that have boosted energy and food prices, and supply bottlenecks that have affected our economy badly, that I didn’t at the time didn’t fully understand.

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen admits she was 'wrong' about inflation

Yellen said she “didn’t fully understand” the risks as consumer prices have lingered at record highs since late 2021.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I’m glad Yellen admitted her mistake for accountability but it sure does undercut my already low expectations of her.

 

[ulukinatme]

I’m glad Yellen admitted her mistake for accountability but it sure does undercut my already low expectations of her.

Reminds me of Psaki also mentioning last year that inflation was "transitory" and a "good thing." I'm sure the lower class and lower middle class people like myself remember that. They also said back in October and November that it was reversing and accused GOP of screaming over nothing. Of course elites don't care about inflation, but it does affect their constituents.

 

[Irish#1]

Reminds me of Psaki also mentioning last year that inflation was "transitory" and a "good thing." I'm sure the lower class and lower middle class people like myself remember that. They also said back in October and November that it was reversing and accused GOP of screaming over nothing. Of course elites don't care about inflation, but it does affect their constituents.

I don't miss her one bit.