BCS Rankings: 2012

[DSully1995]

Our poll numbers have been bad all year cuz of a lack of Offense, if these need three games we show some offensive progress well be fine

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

No one ever mentions this. Frustrating.

I forgot that ESPN retroactively called that 4th down play a touchdown, so the game has been stricken from the record books.

 

[NDTH91]

Those two teams are not even good. It's so ****ing stupid that they are getting credit for beating up on two clearly overrated teams, whereas our clearly overrated teams (Michigan and MSU) are totally discounted. And why, why, why, WHY are we not getting credit for beating Stanford?

As much as I like -- check that -- LOVE seeing Michigan and USC lose, this season is real for the Irish for once. We needed those idiots to win this weekend. I will riot if we go 12-0 and get left out.

An undefeated Notre Dame being left out of the NC game especially with this schedule would cause mass hysteria. The world would fall apart.

On the other hand, Notre Dame in the national championship game, regardless of whether we deserve it or not (we would), would generate a ton of buzz and a ton of revenue.

I don't think we can feasibly be left out if we stay undefeated. It's all about the money, and Notre Dame would bring more of that than any other team could.

 

[PraetorianND]

An undefeated Notre Dame being left out of the NC game especially with this schedule would cause mass hysteria. The world would fall apart.

On the other hand, Notre Dame in the national championship game, regardless of whether we deserve it or not (we would), would generate a ton of buzz and a ton of revenue.

I don't think we can feasibly be left out if we stay undefeated. It's all about the money, and Notre Dame would bring more of that than any other team could.

If ND is in the NCG I am going.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I totally disagree. There is no way in hell that If Notre Dame is undefeated, we will be jumped by a 1-loss team. Doesn't matter that they're the SEC.

You guys are acting like we are an undefeated Boise team or something. We might have the strongest brand in college football. If we continue winning, the hype machine will continue pumping us up. It's only people's opinions that are holding us back right now, the computers see us as one of the best #2 teams right now.

We will have the resume when the season ends, take a chill pill chicken-littles.

How do we jump Oregon if we are both undefeated?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

An undefeated Notre Dame being left out of the NC game especially with this schedule would cause mass hysteria. The world would fall apart.

On the other hand, Notre Dame in the national championship game, regardless of whether we deserve it or not (we would), would generate a ton of buzz and a ton of revenue.

I don't think we can feasibly be left out if we stay undefeated. It's all about the money, and Notre Dame would bring more of that than any other team could.

Coaches & computers don't care about that.

 

[NDTH91]

Coaches & computers don't care about that.

True, but we have been and will continue to be in the top two if not #1 in the computers. Lots would have to go wrong for us not to finish in the computers favor.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

True, but we have been and will continue to be in the top two if not #1 in the computers. Lots would have to go wrong for us not to finish in the computers favor.

Like Oregon playing USC twice, Stanford, and Oregon State?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

True, but we have been and will continue to be in the top two if not #1 in the computers. Lots would have to go wrong for us not to finish in the computers favor.

Nope

 

[NDTH91]

Like Oregon playing USC twice, Stanford, and Oregon State?

Yeah, like Oregon and Alabama winning out. I guess that's not all that unlikely now that I think about it, but usc twice and Stanford will be tough for them. I know they've been SLAUGHTERING teams to put it nicely, but playing real talent this week might shock them a little.

However, Oregon winning out still wouldn't have them jump us in the computers. We will have beaten everyone they have (minus a suspect Oregon State) plus Oklahoma. I think the ND vs. Oregon argument could get very interesting depending on how we both play against usc.

 

[DuffHouse12]

This will sounds a little crazy but if Oregon loses, Notre Dame will be #2.

here's a line of data:

3 Notre Dame .9147 5 4 2553 .8880 4 1307 .8861 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 .970


here's the thing: those "4s" will become "3s" when Oregon loses. when those 4s become 3s, the Irish's 3 becomes a 2.

as in #2 and in the BCS Championship Game.

 

[DuffHouse12]

those 4s are the Harris Poll and USA Today Poll. Both of those polls have ND at 4, everything else has them at 2 or 1.

When those two polls get straightened out, there's an Irish benefit.

 

[stlnd01]

I think the ND vs. Oregon argument could get very interesting depending on how we both play against usc.

Yeah. It's pretty hard to handicap until we see how they play against USC and Stanford. If they smoke both and we win a squeaker with USC, they'd have a stronger case. If they win close, our tougher schedule counts for more.
But hopefully it's moot. I think Oregon's the most likely team ahead of us to lose.

 

[Kak7304]

I really hope Oregon loses to Stanford and/or USC. Helps us twofold by getting them out of the way and also improves our strength of schedule because of the bump that team would receive.

 

[stlnd01]

This will sounds a little crazy but if Oregon loses, Notre Dame will be #2.

here's a line of data:

3 Notre Dame .9147 5 4 2553 .8880 4 1307 .8861 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 .970


here's the thing: those "4s" will become "3s" when Oregon loses. when those 4s become 3s, the Irish's 3 becomes a 2.

as in #2 and in the BCS Championship Game.

Trouble is, Alabama's SOS will get better, too. They've still got games with LSU, A&M and whoever emerges in the SEC East (probably a Top 10 team). Right now, one computer's got them 7th, but that'll change. And that could bump us down in some of the computer polls. If they win out, that is.

 

[DuffHouse12]

as long as ND gets 2. gotta be in it to win it.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Yeah, like Oregon and Alabama winning out. I guess that's not all that unlikely now that I think about it, but usc twice and Stanford will be tough for them. I know they've been SLAUGHTERING teams to put it nicely, but playing real talent this week might shock them a little.

However, Oregon winning out still wouldn't have them jump us in the computers. We will have beaten everyone they have (minus a suspect Oregon State) plus Oklahoma. I think the ND vs. Oregon argument could get very interesting depending on how we both play against usc.

You are not taking into account that our computer ranking will go down over the next three weeks because of SOS. We need the human voters to help.

 

[Riddickulous]

If we opt to run up the score, I think we'll see another game with two 100+ yard rushers. Maybe multiple games.

 

[philipm31]

The biggest farce in this whole ranking is Texas at 23. What. The hell.

No the biggest farce is that the SEC now has FIVE teams in the Top EIGHT of the BCS.

Texas' ranking is a nonfactor to be honest. The good thing/bad thing about the Pac 12 is that only team in the Top Ten is Oregon.

So if USC somehow upsets Oregon, then the Pac12 will have NO team in the Top five and it will damage Oregon's legitimacy totally. Especially if Oregon State fades in the coming weeks as well.

But unsurprisingly, ND's opponents' record to this point is 55-43 (.561 winning %)

Kansas State's opponents' record to this point is 52-42 (.553), OOC record (10-15)

Oregon's opponents' record to this point is 51-46 (.526), OOC record (13-12)

Alabama's opponents' record to this point is 51-46 (.526), OOC record (14-19)


However, to keep on climbing, ND needs to dominate their last four opponents because their closing month is not going to look as great as KSU (19-11) and Oregon's (21-11).

Also, I think the OOC scheduling by these teams should be taken much more seriously, especially Alabama's as their OOC schedule is HORRIFIC. Outside of MICH, their OOC opponents are 9-16 through the first two months.

Irish have a shot but need to win and win impressively...and I believe they can now

 

[stlnd01]

If we opt to run up the score, I think we'll see another game with two 100+ yard rushers. Maybe multiple games.

Sure. Even without running up the score. But unfortunately that doesn't seem to impress the voters quite like hanging 50 on a BCS conference opponent before halftime.

 

[philipm31]

Trouble is, Alabama's SOS will get better, too. They've still got games with LSU, A&M and whoever emerges in the SEC East (probably a Top 10 team). Right now, one computer's got them 7th, but that'll change. And that could bump us down in some of the computer polls. If they win out, that is.

Alabama's SOS should drop actually, because after LSU and the Aggies, they play Western Carolina (1-8) and Auburn (1-7). Even a win in the SEC CG over a suspect Eastern division winner would not be able to keep it from dropping a little bit, especially if the rest of their previous victims finish poorly, as I expect TENN, MSU and co. to do. Not that that would keep AL out the BCS title game, but still something to ponder.

The biggest concern SOS wise down the stretch is Oregon. Over the final month before the PAC12 CG their opponents are currently sitting at 21-11, while ND's is 16-16.

That is why I think there needs to be a penalty to scheduling such cupcakes, so that if a team does want to get an automatic W, they need to realize that it will cost them, and not just in the pocketbook.

 

[philipm31]

Just curious, but how in the world do ppl think that USC is going to be unranked by the time ND plays them?

 

[philipm31]

Just curious,, but only because I am lazy...Missouri Valley and Sun Belt conferences are FCS, correct?

 

[Riddickulous]

Just curious,, but only because I am lazy...Missouri Valley and Sun Belt conferences are FCS, correct?

The Sun Belt is an FBS conference.

 

[philipm31]

Someone explain to me about you can have #5-8 in the BCS ALL be from the SEC???? WTF????

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Just curious,, but only because I am lazy...Missouri Valley and Sun Belt conferences are FCS, correct?

Let me google that for you

 

[stlnd01]

No the biggest farce is that the SEC now has FOUR teams in the Top Ten of the BCS.

Texas' ranking is a nonfactor to be honest. The good thing/bad thing about the Pac 12 is that only team in the Top Ten is Oregon.

So if USC somehow upsets Oregon, then the Pac12 will have NO team in the Top five and it will damage Oregon's legitimacy totally. Especially if Oregon State fades in the coming weeks as well.

But unsurprisingly, ND's opponents' record to this point is 55-43 (.561 winning %)

Kansas State's opponents' record to this point is 52-42 (.553), OOC record (10-15)

Oregon's opponents' record to this point is 51-46 (.526), OOC record (13-12)

Alabama's opponents' record to this point is 51-46 (.526), OOC record (14-19)


However, to keep on climbing, ND needs to dominate their last four opponents because their closing month is not going to look as great as KSU (19-11) and Oregon's (21-11).

Also, I think the OOC scheduling by these teams should be taken much more seriously, especially Alabama's as their OOC schedule is HORRIFIC. Outside of MICH, their OOC opponents are 9-16 through the first two months.

And it's not even like those OOC opponents are in good conferences. Alabama plays Western Ky, Florida Atlantic, and Western Carolina.

Fact is, between scheduling 2 or 3 nonconference patsies and beating up on the weak bottom of the SEC (and Big 12), the better programs in those conferences are all pretty much guaranteed 8 wins. Then they're highly-ranked when they play each other, so the winner gets a big bump. And even if they lose one, "well, it is the SEC," and if they can knock off another top 10 team, they're right back in the hunt.

This is where our schedule is a killer. Just about everyone we play is capable of beating us (and say what you will about BC and Navy this year, but they've won their share in the past and are a whole lot tougher than Western Carolina). There's no weeks off. And yet, aside from maybe Oklahoma, none of them look like they'll finish in the top 15.
If we go undefeated, we'll have beaten two Top Ten teams on the road at night, USC in the Coliseum, Michigan and Stanford, probably nine bowl teams in all. And our schedule still won't be perceived as good enough because we won't be able to point to another BCS contender we've beaten. But it's a lot easier to get up for a couple of big games than to stay focused week in, week out.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Someone explain to me about you can have #5-8 in the BCS ALL be from the SEC???? WTF????

Think about it. Not only is it possible it's happening. Not saying it's right as it's is pretty subjective based on voter bias, but it is what it is I guess. It's a good conference to be sure. Probably gets more credit that is deserved top to bottom, but some of those teams can ball. Can they be beaten though???? Hell yes. I'd put ND against ANY of them, including Bear's Boys. In fact, I think our D would give Bama fits all night long.

Oh well, time will tell. Let it play out and see where we fall.

 

[stlnd01]

Just curious, but how in the world do ppl think that USC is going to be unranked by the time ND plays them?

They're 17th now. If they lose to Oregon, unless it's very close, they'll be borderline Top 25 this time next week, still with games against ASU and UCLA. Win those and they should be ranked. But who knows what kind of state they'll be in, and those are both decent teams. So they could have four losses by the time we show up.
Either way, unless they win Saturday, beating USC's not going to do a ton for our SOS.

 

[philipm31]

Yeah, I guess I just assumed that they would be able to beat ASUand UCLA, but since they just lost to Arizona this weekend, who knows?

Hate to say it but really pulling for Trojans this weekend so maybe they can take on and beat Oregon in the regular season and hand the Ducks their only regular season loss. They beat them last year so maybe they can do it again.