Baylor IS in some deep trouble

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This was 2003, but in retrospect...damn
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Oh, and Cosby was a douchebag on top of all the women he took advantage of:
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Looking more and more like Boise tried to get rid of this kid without having to deal with the reasons why...I knew I smelled a rat.
 

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The entire thing smells. Peterson has always come off as a somewhat ethical dude, at least IMO. Not enough facts in yet but this thing smells like a bucket of fish in the hot Texas sun.
 

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I'm confused. Seems the tide of this discussion has turned. Is Boise or Baylor at fault here?
 

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I'm curious how such a Peterson/Briles conversation would not be a FERPA violation.

When a kid leaves ND, for example, the storyline is "XYZ is no longer enrolled in school." There is no mention of grades, Res/Life violations, police record from UND. Just XYZ is no longer enrolled. When pressed for details student privacy under FERPA is cited.

But coaches are exempt because they are in the coaching fraternity? Good old boys can talk?

I grasp that between administrations transcripts would be sent to ensure the student is academically eligible to transfer. But one coach discussing student conduct with another coach while common sense strikes me as contrary to FERPA.
 

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Max Olson ‏@max_olson 7m7 minutes ago
Art Briles emphatically denied he was aware of Sam Ukwuachu's violence issues at Boise State, said "there's no truth" to that accusation.


"I talked with Chris Petersen personally," said Briles to reporters on Friday morning. "No mention of anything beyond Sam being depressed, needing to come home."
Peterson, now at Washington,*released a statement of his own on Friday afternoon contradicting Briles. Peterson stated that he let Briles know everything about Ukwuachu.
"After Sam Ukwuachu was dismissed from the Boise State football program and expressed interest in transferring to Baylor, I initiated a call with coach Art Briles," said Peterson in a statement. "In that conversation, I thoroughly apprised Coach Briles of the circumstances surrounding Sam's disciplinary record and dismissal."


What deep trouble could Baylor be in? And with whom?

Is there an NCAA violation I'm missing? Or is the deep trouble just questionable taste in judging character?
 

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What deep trouble could Baylor be in? And with whom?

Is there an NCAA violation I'm missing? Or is the deep trouble just questionable taste in judging character?

I agree that there doesn't seem to be a NCAA violation but there will probably be a Title IX investigation and a lawsuit brought by the young woman.
 

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Baylor, Art Briles ignored responsibility in admitting Sam Ukwuachu

There are plenty of problems with the way Baylor handled this. Its internal investigation of the rape allegation was so insufficient that the judge wouldn't allow it to be used by Ukwuachu's lawyer during the trial, according to an article in Texas Monthly. Baylor's lack of transparency about the situation and the inept performance of the local media in pursuing why Ukwuachu was suspended for the 2014 season all point to a program that was hoping it would go away.
 

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Also I can't believe that the judge gave him 180 days. What a joke. The way that our country treats sexual assault/ domestic violence is crazy. He should be spending many years in jail not about 6 months.
 

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This should be looked into, seriously. There was a real victim here and justice simply wasn't served for this severe of a crime.

Absolutely, this has nothing to do with the NCAA in reality. This is real life stuff that takes way more precedents. However, a college coach and program didn't see it that way. That's what's wrong and that's the problem. IMO, much worse than paying a kid to play ball. It's a legitimate crime that should be persicuted by the law. When they pleaded, we didn't know. Bullshit, you ran your "due diligence" and you said he was good. Just nobody else did.
 

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Also I can't believe that the judge gave him 180 days. What a joke. The way that our country treats sexual assault/ domestic violence is crazy. He should be spending many years in jail not about 6 months.

Seriously. This is by far the most f'd up part of the whole story. Nevermind what the football coaches did or didn't do. This POS raped a girl and is only going to jail for half a year?!? That dickhead judge has failed miserably. It's almost as if he's saying rape is bad, but not really that bad. I hope he has to explain his decision to the victim and her family, and all of the rapist's future victims.
 

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I agree that there doesn't seem to be a NCAA violation but there will probably be a Title IX investigation and a lawsuit brought by the young woman.

Again how is this "deep" trouble for Baylor? ND and others have been fined by DOJ after Title IX investigation. Lawsuits aren't unique. We live in a litiginous society.

I'm not downplaying the victim's pain or suffering nor the weak sauce sentence, I'm questioning I'm recognizing FSU's record, The Fulmer Award point system, and sexual charges on campus, and the hammer (since reduced) that the NCAA dropped on PSU for a serial child rapist.
 
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This just isn't about NCAA violations. When it comes to the suppression of charges in sexual assault cases against athletes, we have hit new territory. Not one but two institutions are involved in this case. And the way they have set themselves up, it is one against another; there is no possibility in this situation that one organization is not culpable in suppression of information under Title IX guidelines. Hell, it may even be every "man" for 'his-self', because before this is through, the NCAA could be stuck it the middle of all this as well!

The situation here is that the suppression of evidence shouts conspiracy, (between members of Baylor's Admin and Coaching Staff, the 'Waco' police (intentional) and possibly others. The others could be BSU, and Chris Petersen! And instead of NCAA sanctions, what culpability does the NCAA have? They obviously cleared this athlete to transfer.

CNN has a good long rundown; I will just post the link for those interested. But it is well detailed and fairly comprehensive :

Sam Ukwuachu guilty: What did Baylor know before? - CNN.com

Bottom line you have this from opposing coaches on either side of the BSU-BU transfer :

Chris Petersen -- now the head coach at the University of Washington -- was Boise State's head football coach when Ukwuachu was a member of the Broncos. In a statement Friday, he said he had reached out to Briles about Ukwuachu transferring.

"After Sam Ukwuachu was dismissed from the Boise State football program and expressed an interest in transferring to Baylor, I initiated a call with coach Art Briles," Peterson said in the statement. "In that conversation, I thoroughly apprised Coach Briles of the circumstances surrounding Sam's disciplinary record and dismissal."

Max Olson ‏@max_olson 7m7 minutes ago
Art Briles emphatically denied he was aware of Sam Ukwuachu's violence issues at Boise State, said "there's no truth" to that accusation.


"I talked with Chris Petersen personally," said Briles to reporters on Friday morning. "No mention of anything beyond Sam being depressed, needing to come home."
Peterson, now at Washington,*released a statement of his own on Friday afternoon contradicting Briles. Peterson stated that he let Briles know everything about Ukwuachu.
"After Sam Ukwuachu was dismissed from the Boise State football program and expressed interest in transferring to Baylor, I initiated a call with coach Art Briles," said Peterson in a statement. "In that conversation, I thoroughly apprised Coach Briles of the circumstances surrounding Sam's disciplinary record and dismissal."
 
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thoroughly apprised does not mean full disclosure of everything.
 

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Texas is rubbing their hands together at the thought of Baylor returning to a nobody. They're already laughing about the fact A&M returned to their typical midcarder form after their first year in the SEC.

Agree, Texas will be the big winner here if Baylor is penalized. Same school that had a BB coach cover up murder of player by other player.
 

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I'm curious how such a Peterson/Briles conversation would not be a FERPA violation.

When a kid leaves ND, for example, the storyline is "XYZ is no longer enrolled in school." There is no mention of grades, Res/Life violations, police record from UND. Just XYZ is no longer enrolled. When pressed for details student privacy under FERPA is cited.

But coaches are exempt because they are in the coaching fraternity? Good old boys can talk?

I grasp that between administrations transcripts would be sent to ensure the student is academically eligible to transfer. But one coach discussing student conduct with another coach while common sense strikes me as contrary to FERPA.

FERPA allows a student's old school to disclose issues to any school that the student attempts to transfer to. Presumably to stop something just like this from happening.
 

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Dallas Morning News has big article on this in todays edition, and is calling for Briles to be fired if found lying.
This could be a huge cloud unless cleared up quickly.
 

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FERPA allows a student's old school to disclose issues to any school that the student attempts to transfer to. Presumably to stop something just like this from happening.


O.K. In that case Briles bears responsibility for awarding an athletic scholarship BUT the University Administration bears more responsibility for fundamentally accepting this student for transfer. It's the Admissions Office that reviews a prospective student's record and makes the basic decision, student or not. If Admissions deferred that decision to a coach they aren't excused from their due diligence responsibility.
 

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Carlton: Baylor to launch internal investigation following Ukwuachu sexual assault conviction | Dallas Morning News

By Chuck Carlton

Against the backdrop of a sex crime conviction for talented football transfer Sam Ukwuachu that has rocked Baylor, university president and chancellor Ken Starr ordered an internal investigation Friday.

The decision, announced after Starr met with the school’s regents, was to launch a “comprehensive internal inquiry into the circumstances associated with this case and the conduct of the offices involved,” according to a statement.

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The football program wasn’t the only aspect of Baylor that drew criticism. During the trial, Baylor associate dean Bethany McCraw testified that, in her opinion, the institution lacked the evidence to pursue charges. McCraw said, according to published reports, that she did not review a nurse’s report on the sexual assault or Ukwuachu’s history at Boise State.
 
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Was there another incident? Because I don't see any violence towards women in the incident described in this email. There is some drunken violence (punching out a window), but it doesn't appear that there was even a female in the house at the time. So I guess I am thinking that Peterson could maybe honestly say that he was not aware of any violence against women, if this is the only incident.
 
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