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We played at OSU reasonably well in 2022, considering it was Freeman's first game eve as a HC. I don't think the environment is so intimidating. Yeah, he struggled on the road last year, but in my view that was more about problems with the offense (OC, Hartman's picks at UL) than with Freeman specifically. I would say 12-0 is a reasonable expectation vs. this schedule. 11-1 would be okay, anything less would be disappointing (even 10-2 + playoff appearance).
I think 11-1 is a reasonable expectation and 12-0 is optimistically possible. 10-2 would be disappointing for sure with this schedule.

I do think we go into Kyle week 1 and beat their asses.

Also with our cake schedule 10-2 wouldn't get us in.
 
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If y'all wanna check out thier forum.
Thanks - interesting read. There was this from the ND fan in that thread:

Talking to a source with ND & they are expecting some actual starters or guys in the rotation to enter the portal because they have a younger player nipping at their heels.
Said that a handful of guys are in decision making mode & the ND staff wants them back, but they can either leave now to play elsewhere or decide to come back & battle to keep their position in the fall.
So the staff is waiting to see what they do.
 

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I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

The SEC West wasn't all that good last year. Yes, Alabama used their regular voodoo magic to upend Georgia, but let's be real, outside of that, they looked very beatable all season. They had multiple close shaves against mediocre teams like South Florida (17-3), Arkansas (24-21) and a miracle finish to beat 6-7 Auburn.

Miami was barely above .500 and they whooped A&M.

More than half of their schedule, the half they won, are teams who finished with losing records.

In reality, the SEC was really down in 2023. Georgia was the standout, and Alabama was good/not great, but Georgia laid an egg in the SECCG, and the rest of the conference ranged from okay to abysmal.

I wouldn't go to that extreme. They had the SEC Champion and three teams with double digit wins the division (Alabama - 12-2, Ole Miss - 11-2, LSU - 10-3).I definitely wouldn't say Alabama used "voodoo magic" to beat Georgia. Alabama has owned Kirby and Georgia, and their two losses were to Texas and Michigan (Playoff team and, vomits, the cheating National Champion). Ole Miss would have been a very formidable opponent. LSU had one of the best offenses ever. Alternatively, they had one of the worst defenses ever. If purple face fielded a decent defense, they may have won it all.
 

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I wouldn't go to that extreme. They had the SEC Champion and three teams with double digit wins the division (Alabama - 12-2, Ole Miss - 11-2, LSU - 10-3).I definitely wouldn't say Alabama used "voodoo magic" to beat Georgia. Alabama has owned Kirby and Georgia, and their two losses were to Texas and Michigan (Playoff team and, vomits, the cheating National Champion). Ole Miss would have been a very formidable opponent. LSU had one of the best offenses ever. Alternatively, they had one of the worst defenses ever. If purple face fielded a decent defense, they may have won it all.
And the SEC champion only had the opportunity to become champion because of a once in a century brain fart by Auburn.
 

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And the SEC champion only had the opportunity to become champion because of a once in a century brain fart by Auburn.
Yeah, flukey shit happens, but they won the game (1997 Nebraska vs. Missouri, 1998 Arkansas vs. Tennessee). At least they weren't running a covert op, black bag operation like at that school up north.
 

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I wouldn't go to that extreme. They had the SEC Champion and three teams with double digit wins the division (Alabama - 12-2, Ole Miss - 11-2, LSU - 10-3).I definitely wouldn't say Alabama used "voodoo magic" to beat Georgia. Alabama has owned Kirby and Georgia, and their two losses were to Texas and Michigan (Playoff team and, vomits, the cheating National Champion). Ole Miss would have been a very formidable opponent. LSU had one of the best offenses ever. Alternatively, they had one of the worst defenses ever. If purple face fielded a decent defense, they may have won it all.
That is more of a self-fulfilling prophecy though. It's the same way that Penn State ended up with 10 wins.

It wasn't so much that Penn State was good, than it was that the rest of the Big Ten was absolutely terrible. So Penn State ripped off wins against the vast majority of the conference that sucked and lost to the only 2 good teams in Ohio State and Michigan.

Same here in the SEC. Ole Miss and LSU weren't that good, but Ole Miss and LSU beat up on the fat of the conference, meanwhile, lost to the only good teams in the conference (Georgia and Alabama). Ole Miss got beat down by Alabama 24-10, and got absolutely routed by Georgia 52-17.

LSU was much of the same. The offense was great, no question, but the defense was horrendous. FSU routed them, Alabama beat them by 14 and they gave up 55 points to Ole Miss.

Ole Miss and LSU were never a threat to Alabama or Georgia. And one of them had to win the head-to-head.
 

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Somebody’s got to hack ol deep throats acct and keep him from spilling the beans.
 

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That is more of a self-fulfilling prophecy though. It's the same way that Penn State ended up with 10 wins.

It wasn't so much that Penn State was good, than it was that the rest of the Big Ten was absolutely terrible. So Penn State ripped off wins against the vast majority of the conference that sucked and lost to the only 2 good teams in Ohio State and Michigan.

Same here in the SEC. Ole Miss and LSU weren't that good, but Ole Miss and LSU beat up on the fat of the conference, meanwhile, lost to the only good teams in the conference (Georgia and Alabama). Ole Miss got beat down by Alabama 24-10, and got absolutely routed by Georgia 52-17.

LSU was much of the same. The offense was great, no question, but the defense was horrendous. FSU routed them, Alabama beat them by 14 and they gave up 55 points to Ole Miss.

Ole Miss and LSU were never a threat to Alabama or Georgia. And one of them had to win the head-to-head.

I guess. I understand where you're going, but I'd also argue that there were a handful of SEC teams > Penn State, the third best team in the Big Ten. We saw what Ole Miss did to them - that was a 38-17 score at one point. Ohio State didn't beat Missouri. The SEC had a couple of elite teams (Alabama and Georgia) and a handful of few good to dangerous teams (Missouri, Ole Miss, LSU). Could Michigan have ran the table playing a SEC schedule? Perhaps? Ohio State? doubtful. Penn State. No. Iowa? :ROFLMAO:. Was Washington really that good? Oregon? FSU looked good until Travis's injury. Texas? They beat Alabama, but then turned around and lost to Oklahoma. They also struggled against a bunch against some average at best teams. Michigan was in a close one against Maryland and Ohio State. You can cherry pick any team really.
 

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I guess. I understand where you're going, but I'd also argue that there were a handful of SEC teams > Penn State, the third best team in the Big Ten. We saw what Ole Miss did to them - that was a 38-17 score at one point. Ohio State didn't beat Missouri. The SEC had a couple of elite teams (Alabama and Georgia) and a handful of few good to dangerous teams (Missouri, Ole Miss, LSU). Could Michigan have ran the table playing a SEC schedule? Perhaps? Ohio State? doubtful. Penn State. No. Iowa? :ROFLMAO:. Was Washington really that good? Oregon? FSU looked good until Travis's injury. Texas? They beat Alabama, but then turned around and lost to Oklahoma. They also struggled against a bunch against some average at best teams. Michigan was in a close one against Maryland and Ohio State. You can cherry pick any team really.
I put zero stock in bowl games, because there's no way to gauge how good each team is, given more often than not, several of their team's best players opt out. I mean, I liked what I saw from ND's shellacking of Oregon State, but I'm fairly certain that had everybody played, ND wouldn't have blown them out like they did.

I think the point is that LSU and Ole Miss both benefited from a weak SEC West similar to how Penn State benefited from a weak Big Ten. Penn State ran the gambit against the bad teams, and then lost to Ohio State and Michigan, similar to how Ole Miss and LSU got beat by Alabama, and Georgia (Ole Miss) and Ole Miss (LSU).
 

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This game, for me, is going to finally force Marcus Freeman to answer the two big questions we've all wanted to know since he was hired:

1. Do you believe that you can walk on water?
2. Do you believe that you can win this fight tonight?
 

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For me it's about we should be the better team, and we should go take it to them. Not try to manage a close game win (that could happen) but it shouldn't be the game plan like it's been a lot his first 2 years on the road.
 

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Generally curious as to why people seem to be nervous about this game. Should be a fine. No one on this team scares me whatsoever.
 

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Because a raw OL playing against a defensive master on the road in a notoriously difficult environment (between the heat and general atmosphere) makes us nervous.
Yup. Also first game of the year, lots of question marks, no game film to really analyze on your opponent. Easily the most dangerous game of our regular season. Less worried about USC or Florida State, especially if the later turns out cold.
 

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Yup. Also first game of the year, lots of question marks, no game film to really analyze on your opponent. Easily the most dangerous game of our regular season. Less worried about USC or Florida State, especially if the later turns out cold.
This, also, if we lose this game, we may not have the schedule that would allow for another loss and still make CFP


We should be having a home game in south bend this December!
 

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Because a raw OL playing against a defensive master on the road in a notoriously difficult environment (between the heat and general atmosphere) makes us nervous.
Not to mention probably the best defensive line we face all year. A lot of future NFL guys in the 2 deep there. There's a non 0 chance they take over this game if our O line can't hold up.
 

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Not to mention probably the best defensive line we face all year. A lot of future NFL guys in the 2 deep there. There's a non 0 chance they take over this game if our O line can't hold up.
Very true. I know they've had a lot of transfers out, but they had so many bodies in that '22 class that they're still likely loaded
 

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Not to mention probably the best defensive line we face all year. A lot of future NFL guys in the 2 deep there. There's a non 0 chance they take over this game if our O line can't hold up.
There's higher than non 0 chance that our DL takes over this game.

A&M's DL is good. ND's is better.

ND's OL is a concern. A&M's OL is a bigger one.
 

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There's higher than non 0 chance that our DL takes over this game.

A&M's DL is good. ND's is better.

ND's OL is a concern. A&M's OL is a bigger one.
Higher than nonzero? How can you be higher than {R - {0}}.

Higher than zero, maybe?

I’m being a douche. Yeah a lot can happen. It will definitely be a tougher game than some think.
 

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For me it's about we should be the better team, and we should go take it to them. Not try to manage a close game win (that could happen) but it shouldn't be the game plan like it's been a lot his first 2 years on the road.
Ala Louisville last year! ND was a much better team on paper, yet that's why they play the games! I was there and still can't that frickin' nightmare out of my mind!
 

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ND playing a road prime time game will always be scary to me.
We've seen some good ones over the years.

2006 Michigan State
2010 USC
2012 Michigan State
2012 Oklahoma
2018 Virginia Tech
2018 Northwestern
2021 Florida State
2023 Duke

I tend to recall the wins about as equally as the losses. UGA, Michigan, FSU, Miami, SC, Ohio State, Clemson all still linger, don't get me wrong. They will probably have a couple of opportunities this year to chalk up a couple in the win column
 

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Ala Louisville last year! ND was a much better team on paper, yet that's why they play the games! I was there and still can't that frickin' nightmare out of my mind!
Context matters. The Louisville game was the 3rd straight primetime game, 2nd straight on the road against an undefeated ranked opponent, and 7th straight game overall, with injuries littered all over the offense. ND was basically playing without their starting receivers.

The defense had to basically keep them in the Ohio State and Duke games long enough. They were physically and emotionally gassed by that point.

This is week 1. It is a hostile environment, but the circumstances line up way more favorably for ND going into this matchup than Louisville, where they were running on fumes.
 
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