Article: Meyer Shows True Core Values

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Here is a question:

Is it worse that Meyer lets him back on the team or the NCAA allowing it?

Both in my opinion. This whole issue is absurd. Lack of character on the part of Meyer, and the NCAA should not tolerate this kind of behavior from anyone and they should stop Florida from letting this kid play. If Florida doesn't want to, or is not willing to do the "right" thing, then the NCAA should step in.

 

[johnnykillz]

I could not agree more. They are ultimately responsible or at least should be. We have no fair and equal resolve.

Unbelievable.

When Urban loses a few, he's willing to make a deal with the devil to get back to the right place of the "W" column.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

but I do wish the single most visible man at Florida -- my alma mater, if you didn't know -- would stop embarrassing UF grads like me who wonder why he's considered such a strong leader when in reality he's weak. Soft. Pathetic.

Urban has all ready sold his *** to the devil and everyone knows it!

 

[Jerry]

I think Florida is a dirty program and all the arrests ridiculous. But a kid losing his mind and sending a threatening text message isn't like beating a girl up physically. I mean what is the proper punishment? The girl said in court that it was an isolated incident. I think this kid just freaked out. And I'm sure if Rainey had sent the text to Meyer's daughter it would be totally different, blah, blah.

I'm not trying to defend Meyer's dirty program but I just think this incident got a lot of attention because it's peculiar. If Rainey got in a fight and knocked some dudes teeth out it would just be another arrest, get no where near the attention and he'd be playing a few weeks later. But which crime is worse?

 

[johnnykillz]

The subsequent crime that occurs after something like this is worse: When a young man feels omnipotent and above the law - when he then acts on his impulse rather than threatening to do it.

Thats whats scary guys. How often do normal people make threats like this? Not very often... This kid (full grown *** man) needs to screw on his head and be accountable. His coaches need to reinforce this, so that he leads a successful and obedient to others' boundaries life.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

what if he beats her up next?! i own one gun for every daughter i have and thats not a threat. if that girls family could put a good beat down on this kid i would feel better about him being on the team! propably could not catch him he is fast

 

[johnnykillz]

A bullet in the *** flank would slow him down. Err, I mean a swift kick in the ***, the kind that hurts your ankle you kicked so damn hard!

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

fo sho

 

[Jerry]

The subsequent crime that occurs after something like this is worse: When a young man feels omnipotent and above the law - when he then acts on his impulse rather than threatening to do it.

Thats whats scary guys. How often do normal people make threats like this? Not very often... This kid (full grown *** man) needs to screw on his head and be accountable. His coaches need to reinforce this, so that he leads a successful and obedient to others' boundaries life.

So what does that mean? Kick him out of school? Suspend him for just one season? I'm just wondering what holding somebody accountable for a creepy text message is? He was prosecuted and I think they dropped the felony charges.

Anyway Ragone got caught with 2 bags of weed in his car this off season. We'll be seeing him playing probably a lot now without Rudolph. Are we making sure he was held accountable for his actions? I'm kind of interested in peoples different opinions on this.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

So what does that mean? Kick him out of school? Suspend him for just one season? I'm just wondering what holding somebody accountable for a creepy text message is? He was prosecuted and I think they dropped the felony charges.

Anyway Ragone got caught with 2 bags of weed in his car this off season. We'll be seeing him playing probably a lot now without Rudolph. Are we making sure he was held accountable for his actions? I'm kind of interested in peoples different opinions on this.

I understand your point...what is an "appropriate" penalty for each offense. It's gray.

But threats of domestic abuse are not the same as pot.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

exactly

 

[Jerry]

I understand your point...what is an "appropriate" penalty for each offense. It's gray.

But threats of domestic abuse are not the same as pot.

I'm really just arguing this for the sake of arguing but:

It takes 3 seconds of bad judgment to send 1 stupid threatening text message. But it takes a lot more time to go buy a couple bags of weed from some dealer and then put them in your car when you know your going to be driving multiple hrs to New Jersey.

Anyway I hope Rainey and Ragone learn from their mistakes and live clean productive lives, I just think people are sort of projecting this Laurence Phillips image on to Rainey when it doesn't really appear that he is that type of person.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

So what does that mean? Kick him out of school? Suspend him for just one season? I'm just wondering what holding somebody accountable for a creepy text message is? He was prosecuted and I think they dropped the felony charges.

Anyway Ragone got caught with 2 bags of weed in his car this off season. We'll be seeing him playing probably a lot now without Rudolph. Are we making sure he was held accountable for his actions? I'm kind of interested in peoples different opinions on this.

It was not just one text message. It was a series of serious events: restraining orders, etc. You have to look at the whole body of work.

 

[Jerry]

It was not just one text message. It was a series of serious events: restraining orders, etc. You have to look at the whole body of work.

Florida Gators receiver Chris Rainey agrees to misdemeanor plea - ESPN

This is the article I read today about it. Sounds like he went to her house and she said she wanted nothing to do with him. He was pissed and sent her a really stupid, threatening, creepy text. But the girl said it was out of character and a one night incident.

The victim, who requested anonymity, said she was in "full support" of the state's decision to reduce the charge.

"We have known Chris Rainey for three years and never during that time has he displayed any violent or threatening behavior towards us or anyone," she said. "To our knowledge, Chris does not drink alcohol or use drugs. His actions that night were out of character for reasons unknown to us, which is why we stood up in court on his behalf. The police were called that night to ensure the safety of everyone involved."

According to Gainesville Police, the woman fell asleep and missed a call from Rainey. Rainey then went to her home, they talked and she told him to leave. According to police, the woman got the text a short time later and called 911.

 

[Old Man Mike]

We have no idea about what sort of potentially violent guy this person is. Threats on life [especially towards women who have a great deal of trouble defending themselves and can be scared long-term by such behaviors] are far more potentially serious from both a moral and a legal context than smoking pot. I don't want to defend giving such a character a slap on the wrist until he proves to the rest of us that he is in fact a civilized human being. Being immediately re-instated does not send this message. Put him off the team for the season. Tell him that he'll be welcome back next year if he demonstrates some true contrition and perhaps a bit of public apology and community work. Test his character. Then Meyer can stand up and tick off all the guy's done to grow up, and let him have his football career back. Another thing: female victims of threats often find that it's safer for them NOT to continue to accuse the offender and hope he just goes away without striking back. Looking at things from her point of view might illuminate this a little.

 

[A Pac]

meyer is a jerk who will do anything to win. it's a shame that so many coaches now a days don't care about character. however, at least he didn't pull a tom ozborne and allow a guy who threw his pregnant girlfriend down the stairs to play.

 

[IrishinSyria]

but I do wish the single most visible man at Florida -- my alma mater, if you didn't know -- would stop embarrassing UF grads like me who wonder why he's considered such a strong leader when in reality he's weak. Soft. Pathetic.

Urban has all ready sold his *** to the devil and everyone knows it!

You are an interesting man: ND fan living in Georgia who went to Florida.


As for this, I'm torn. A few thoughts.

It looks REALLY bad that Meyer is doing this now, immediately following two losses. It sends the message that football is more important than anything else.

On the other hand, none of us know what's gone on behind the scenes. Maybe this kid has excelled in class, done community service, worked hard in the weight room, and been an all around excellent role model after one (serious) mistake.

Back to the original hand, that would be more believable if Meyer's time at Florida hadn't already been characterized by 25+ arrests. In that context, it is tough to believe that Florida under Meyer has any interest in the behavior of its players, as long as they meet the barest of minimum standards that would allow them to play on Staurdays.

 

[IrishinSyria]

meyer is a jerk who will do anything to win. it's a shame that so many coaches now a days don't care about character. however, at least he didn't pull a tom ozborne and allow a guy who threw his pregnant girlfriend down the stairs to play.

Well he hasn't yet, but is that out of principle or is it because he hasn't had the opportunity to do so yet?

 

[dshans]

You are an interesting man: ND fan living in Georgia who went to Florida.

Actually, "... but I do wish the single most visible man at Florida -- my alma mater, if you didn't know -- would stop embarrassing UF grads like me who wonder why he's considered such a strong leader when in reality he's weak. Soft. Pathetic." is a quote from the article, written by a Gator alum. It wasn't a self-description by GEOGIA DOMER.

He's still an interesting man, though.

Meyer is a self-aggrandizing arse.

 

[A Pac]

Well he hasn't yet, but is that out of principle or is it because he hasn't had the opportunity to do so yet?

the ladder

 

[IrishinSyria]

Actually, "... but I do wish the single most visible man at Florida -- my alma mater, if you didn't know -- would stop embarrassing UF grads like me who wonder why he's considered such a strong leader when in reality he's weak. Soft. Pathetic." is a quote from the article, written by a Gator alum. It wasn't a self-description by GEOGIA DOMER.

He's still an interesting man, though.

Meyer is a self-aggrandizing arse.

Good catch. I did think that line sounded a little familiar.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

forgot to quote sorry

 

[Jerry]

I'm not against making Rainey sit out the season. To be honest if I was a coach in Meyer's situation I would just set a rule that if you get arrested you're suspended for the season. No excuses, no crying. Clearly these guys think they can get away with it.

I just have a hard time thinking that a threatening text message (when it appears to be an isolated incident). Is much worse than some of the other things guys on Florida's team have done. Carlos Dunlap got a DUI and was defensive MVP of the BCS Championship game a month later. You think he learned his lesson??

 

[Old Man Mike]

To Jerry: bless you, brother, but you've just made the argument for what this thread is all about---that Meyer has been doing the wrong things for a long period of time and continues to do so.

 

[IrishinSyria]

To Jerry: bless you, brother, but you've just made the argument for what this thread is all about---that Meyer has been doing the wrong things for a long period of time and continues to do so.

Exactly. If this were an isolated case, it would be easy to believe that Meyer had decided that Rainey had "done the time to suit the crime." But given the atmosphere of a complete lack of institutional control that has existed in Florida ever since Meyer came over, there is no reason to believe that the decision to reinstate Rainey is related to anything except for his abilities as a football player.

 

[johnnykillz]

Jerry. What the hell is wrong with you man? How can you mix apples and oranges so quickly (weed vs. threat). Also, have you no idea of history relevant Urban Meyer's football team?

Oh yeah. One more thing: Ragone had a stellar Blue Gold game. He was sitting HIGH (no pun) on the depth chart. How much of his action do you think affected his position and playing time?

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Jerry. What the hell is wrong with you man? How can you mix apples and oranges so quickly (weed vs. threat). Also, have you no idea of history relevant Urban Meyer's football team?

Oh yeah. One more thing: Ragone had a stellar Blue Gold game. He was sitting HIGH (no pun) on the depth chart. How much of his action do you think affected his position and playing time?

I kind of agree with you on this one bro. Weed and domestic threat are two different things. I totally understand that this might have been a one time thing for this young man, but you have to look at Meyer's history with personnel issues and arrests within the program and have to wonder what in the world is going on down there. Ragone paid the price and had to work his butt off to be where he is at now. He made a dumb mistake, but then again didn't threaten bodily harm to some girl either. There is a big difference in my opinion.

 

[Jerry]

Jerry. What the hell is wrong with you man? How can you mix apples and oranges so quickly (weed vs. threat). Also, have you no idea of history relevant Urban Meyer's football team?

Oh yeah. One more thing: Ragone had a stellar Blue Gold game. He was sitting HIGH (no pun) on the depth chart. How much of his action do you think affected his position and playing time?

I've made it pretty clear in this thread that I'm aware of Meyer's history with player arrests at Florida.

I brought up Ragone because a poster said that kids need to be held accountable and I was just asking the open question of: What does holding them accountable mean? Should they be suspended for a season? Kicked out of school permanently? I said I wouldn't be against Rainey sitting out the whole season.

 

[johnnykillz]

You should write congress. Ask them to ensure NCAA hands out fair and equal measures. Until then devil's advocates like yourself will agitate the greater American spirit...

And for what? Some conversation we're having.

 

[IrishInFl]

Alright, I got this post on my facebook when I posted the article in this thread.

"Rainey is practicing, but will not be playing this weekend. He has to comply with the legal deal he made as well as with team requirements. Also, the "victim" in this case has repeatedly stated that she never felt threatened and asked that the charges be dropped. In fact, in the 911 call made by the "victim's" sister she states that he'd never done anything like that before. Hmm, maybe because he'd never been hit with a concussion before as he was during the previous day's game? Meyer did not allow Rainey to practice until after the criminal matter was resolved (i.e., all the main charges dropped) and the State and Rainey reached an agreement. Facts are stubborn things."