Another Shooting

[drayer54]

I wasn't aware that pistols are considered semi-automatic. I'm not in favor of banning them, thus this would solve a couple of your concerns. What happens when you hand the gun over and a few days later the background check shows they shouldn't be able to buy one?

Background checks take minutes in the NICS database

 

[Irish#1]

Background checks take minutes in the NICS database

We're really not that far apart on this. Those that want to get their hands on any type of gun will find a way regardless of the laws.

 

[Irish#1]

I own automatic guns. When criminals stop carrying them I might consider it but probably still would probably own one. In my little world and my anecdotal life I am a victim of something often. I am building a house on the same property I am living on. Last night some rando came onto my property to try to steal tools and building material.... keep in mind my wife and 3 kid live on this property as well and were outside about 50 yards from where this was happening.

What would you do?

A. Nothing
B. Observe and report and hope the justice system prevails, keep in mind there are thousands of dollars of tools and thousands more in building material.... and judging by past experiences with the justice system nothing will happen even if the man is caught.
C. Kindly ask this man that you have never met what he is doing and just bring my smile and charm.
D. Do what I did and run over there with a gun on my hip and an automatic weapon because you don't know this man or what his intentions are or what he brought to the party or who else is in the truck......

*Edit - Cheat Sheet -
A. You do nothing you lose thousands of dollars of material and you will most likely be victimized again.
B. Pretty much the same as A.
C. Best case scenario is he runs away. Worst case scenario is you could die.
D. Best case scenario... well what happened was he took everything out of his truck and I got his license plate number. Judging by the look on his face and the smell of shit in air he probably won't be back.

I asked my son... "did we learn anything today" My son said "Gator don't take shit from nobody" I am still debating if my son being 10 feet behind during all this was a good idea but who cares. We are making memories.

I would call 911 regardless of the opinion of the police and their ability to respond so you have something on record to somewhat protect you. I would then do just what you did, minus my kid. Did you give the police his plate number?

 

[Blazers46]

I would call 911 regardless of the opinion of the police and their ability to respond so you have something on record to somewhat protect you. I would then do just what you did, minus my kid. Did you give the police his plate number?

I did not. I own a retail store and other businesses. Police do nothing and would also do nothing in this situation. The best course of action is to tell the idiot if he ever comes back I will shoot him and if I ever see him again around here I’m plastering him and his vehicle all I’ve the local social media pages. Sometimes the best remedy is public humiliation.

 

[Irish#1]

I did not. I own a retail store and other businesses. Police do nothing and would also do nothing in this situation. The best course of action is to tell the idiot if he ever comes back I will shoot him and if I ever see him again around here I’m plastering him and his vehicle all I’ve the local social media pages. Sometimes the best remedy is public humiliation.

I get that, but at least you'd have it on record if something went south. Dude was trying to rob you and would have if you hadn't stopped him. I don't think I would wait to post his pic and license plate all over SM.

 

[RDU Irish]

University releases statement on mass shooting manifesto connection to marketing professor // The Observer

Seems this guy is catching some flack for being part of the loon rant.

 

[Blazers46]

I get that, but at least you'd have it on record if something went south. Dude was trying to rob you and would have if you hadn't stopped him. I don't think I would wait to post his pic and license plate all over SM.

Maybe. But I’m not asking for a fight either. I did sent the pictures over to a detective I know. He took it from there.

 

[Rogue219]

Elementary school students and a teacher. JFC.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

It’s beyond comprehension on what would make an 18 year old do something like this…….

 

[zelezo vlk]

Lord have mercy on us.


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[goldandblue]

Desensitized culture.

 

[Rogue219]

Desensitized culture.

And then some. It’s disgusting.

 

[GoldenAura]

Well at least they have everyones thoughts and prayers. That'll fix everything right up.

Reading this shit in the news over and over again makes me sick to my stomach. How did we get here and normalize this?

As a personal rule I try my best to stick to "only worry/stress about the things you can control" but this is incredibly depressing.

 

[Blazers46]

“There were red flags”

“We didn’t think he was capable of this”

“Prior mental health issues not reported or registered because he was so young”

“Tucker Carlson”

“White supremist” (even if he isn’t white)

“guns bad, society awesome, blame guns not society”

I think I covered it…

 

[Rogue219]

Well at least they have everyones thoughts and prayers. That'll fix everything right up.

Reading this shit in the news over and over again makes me sick to my stomach. How did we get here and normalize this?

As a personal rule I try my best to stick to "only worry/stress about the things you can control" but this is incredibly depressing.

Governed by too many cowards for too long at every level in every party.

 

[Blazers46]

Well at least they have everyones thoughts and prayers. That'll fix everything right up.

Reading this shit in the news over and over again makes me sick to my stomach. How did we get here and normalize this?

As a personal rule I try my best to stick to "only worry/stress about the things you can control" but this is incredibly depressing.

Because people afraid to admit this awesome society we live in may not be as awesome as they think.

They will all shout gun control for a few days but society has gone down the shitter and everyone wants to just put a bandaid on the real issue… society.

 

[Rogue219]

The outliers here are undeniable. All the sovereign states on this planet, these tragedies occur here more often by leaps and bounds.

And the solution is to teach kids to lock and barricade the doors and hide. It’s on them in the end.

It’s not acceptable, and most people don’t care until it affects someone they care about. We move on and nothing changes. Other than bickering and dividing amongst ourselves.

 

[goldandblue]

It’s still early and we don’t know much but was there not an Sro present at the school? Has it been reported yet?

 

[Blazers46]

The outliers here are undeniable. All the sovereign states on this planet, these tragedies occur here more often by leaps and bounds.

And the solution is to teach kids to lock and barricade the doors and hide. It’s on them in the end.

It’s not acceptable, and most people don’t care until it affects someone they care about. We move on and nothing changes. Other than bickering and dividing amongst ourselves.

Yup. I remember my first lockdown drill in high school and remembering someone asking if this was going to be as normal as storm drills and fire drills.

At my 1st grade daughters parent conference my daughter was showing me around and said “look dad, this is where we hide for a lockdown drill” with a big smile like it was just something fun they do.

Society sucks.

 

[irishff1014]

This awful. Society sucks. I have a ton of questions but i'll wait to read the facts.

God bless them all.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

This is just another event that is so depressing. I grew up in a small town in Indiana and our schools had there fair share of kids who struggled with emotional and/or mental issues. We had bullying, parents that were abusive, drugs/alcohol, access to guns, etc. Geez, during 6th grade camp, the fire department had to come get one of the kids out of a tree because he was barking like a dog and wouldn’t come down. Later on in high school, the same kid was in my driver’s education car…….a bit scary on I-65. My junior and senior year we had an unusual number of suicides as well as student deaths for other reasons. Some of the suicides were using firearms (shotguns, mostly).
People had problems, just like they do now. What we didn’t have was the internet, we didn’t have cellphones and we didn’t even have computers (I graduated HS in 1980). You were influenced by your peers, your family and to some extent what you saw on TV or heard in music. Remember when heavy metal was the culprit (talking to you Tipper)? Now folks that have emotional and/or mental issues have the same influences but also adding in social media, everything on the internet and constant communication (good and bad). It’s a lot for people to process cleanly, especially those who cannot process clearly. The internet, etc. are great tools but they are also having a negative influence on many of our people, including growing minds. It’s a tough problem to crack and I’m afraid it’s just going to get worse.

 

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[MacIrish75]

School admin, here.

We’re vilified for test scores. But we have to spend our time on practicing lockdown drills and showing kids how to hold scissors and barricade to ensure they can defend themselves against an armed assailant.

We’re supposed to provide mental health services. But SEL is bad and we don’t want that in our schools.

We’re supposed to have curriculum on hand to help students dealing with issues that may lead to these types of issues. But, we don’t want to allow any curriculum in the doors that anyone might deem offensive.

We expect schools to report all concerning incidents of abuse or neglect to DCS, but 90% of calls are screened out before being sent onto a local office.

This is just a sampling of the frustration I face on days like today. We can’t do any more with any less. We need help. Kids are dying. Kids have been dying. The kids aren’t alright.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Pretty sure we're all anti murder, especially when children are the victims. But what would Steve Kerr (and all the ani gun people) say if the weapon was a homemade explosive? What's the narrative? What does that battle cry sound like?

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Also, the “reasoning” of these massacres are all over the map…….this terrible event today in Texas, what will be the “reason” the 18 year old decided to shoot up a school with 7, 8 and 9 year olds? I know we are dealing with an illogical thought process with people that do things like this so it is hard to come to terms with the why.

 

[goldandblue]

So all schools don’t have sro officers or some are not armed? I did not know this. We have one at every school in our district and they are armed with both their duty pistol and a case with an AR in their office.

 

[drayer54]

Pretty sure we're all anti murder, especially when children are the victims. But what would Steve Kerr (and all the ani gun people) say if the weapon was a homemade explosive? What's the narrative? What does that battle cry sound like?

He’s applying lib gun-control logic to a problem. He coaches for the correct city. Most reasonable people are anti-murder. But an emotional plea to sacrifice freedom for the perception of security. It does nothing to fix our societal issues and it does nothing to prevent crime. He’s a tool for the leftist agenda. I’m not in his 90% and he pack sand, IMO.

 

[Blazers46]

Guns haven’t changed, people and society have.

 

[MacIrish75]

So all schools don’t have sro officers or some are not armed? I did not know this. We have one at every school in our district and they are armed with both their duty pistol and a case with an AR in their office.

We have one for the district. We’re a small district. Our SRO is a rotated officer on a schedule in conjunction with the local police department. My building lies six miles from our high school and our elementary building is 4-5 miles away. These are the things I worry about.

Some districts have one per school. Some have a few. Some districts have one per building. Heck, some districts have their own police force. Ultimately it comes down to the budget and what you can afford. I see our SRO daily, and they do a great job…but I also know what the response time would be in the event of an armed assailant.

 

[Rogue219]

Pretty sure we're all anti murder, especially when children are the victims. But what would Steve Kerr (and all the ani gun people) say if the weapon was a homemade explosive? What's the narrative? What does that battle cry sound like?

Homemade explosive would actually be something new. Not to be flippant, but the killings in the streets of Memphis, St. Louis, Little Rock, Chicago, etc. aren’t happening due to homemade explosives.

My battle cry is we’re not a serious enough nation to solve our problems. We let power and money divide us so the discussions we need to have go in the direction this one is going right now. I heard Steve Kerr talking about background checks, not anti gun. Did we hear different things?

There are countries all over the world where this never happens. What’s the common denominator?