Another Shooting

[ACamp1900]

‘Beto’ has got to be the biggest tool from either party in a long while,... that much is clear,...

 

[Irish#1]

I'm not advocating for using a AR-15 for hunting. I'm saying it's my right and yours to own one(or fifty).

If you want to hunt with it, cool! If you want to prep for the apocalypse with it, cool! If you want to join some militia out in idaho with it, cool!

If your idea of freedom is telling some law abiding dude he cant own a semi-automatic rifle because a couple hundred people a year get murdered by them then you can go fuck yourself.

The NRA and Pro-Gun folks have given plenty of inches over the years. I need like ten grand if I'm ever going to own a machine gun and need to pass a thorough background check.

We already have plenty of gun laws. Maybe parents, friends, family, and local authorities should shoulder some of the blame they apply to Congress.

So many responses for that brilliant reply, but that statement says everything.

 

[IrishLion]

So many responses for that brilliant reply, but that statement says everything.

It really does.

I'm on the totally opposite end of the spectrum. I don't think my freedom to own an AR-15 is worth the 100's of lives that are lost each year, when it comes down to it.

But that probably makes me a snowflake liberal pussy or something.

 

[Irish#1]

It really does.

I'm on the totally opposite end of the spectrum. I don't think my freedom to own an AR-15 is worth the 100's of lives that are lost each year, when it comes down to it.

But that probably makes me a snowflake liberal pussy or something.

I'm not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination but how do you tell the victims families the life lost is not as important as owning a weapon that allows you to rapidly fire bullets into a crowd?

 

[IrishLion]

I'm not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination but how do you tell the victims families the life lost is not as important as owning a weapon that allows you to rapidly fire bullets into a crowd?

You tell them "sorry you're so sad, but it's my right to own this gun, as determined by the Constitution, which is obviously not out-of-date and cannot be changed for any reason."

 

[ACamp1900]

You tell them "sorry you're so sad, but it's my right to own this gun, as determined by the Constitution, which is obviously not out-of-date and cannot be changed for any reason."

I don't think the 2nd is out of date whatsoever but I do feel the process and restrictions can be tightened... I don't have an answer but there should be a solid middle ground everyone can find here but that goes for a lot of other issues too... politics man.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I don't think the 2nd is out of date whatsoever but I do feel the process and restrictions can be tightened... I don't have an answer but there should be a solid middle ground everyone can find here but that goes for a lot of other issues too... politics man.

Unfortunately, it's hard to find middle ground when Group A is screaming to ban all guns and doesn't know a damn thing about them. Meanwhile, Group B labels every single suggestion a non-starter because it's deemed unconstitutional or ineffective in their opinion.

I think red flag laws are a great starting point. I think schools should be guarded like airports and banks. We need better mental health care. We need to slow the degradation of families. We need to figure out a solution to the issues caused by social media. We need a solution to the ridiculous overly medicated and overly diagnosed ADHD/ADD issues in kids along with how to deal with depression/anxiety. Voluntary buy-backs to help get more guns off the streets. Fines for unsafe ownership practices. Etc.

 

[NorthDakota]

It really does.

I'm on the totally opposite end of the spectrum. I don't think my freedom to own an AR-15 is worth the 100's of lives that are lost each year, when it comes down to it.

But that probably makes me a snowflake liberal pussy or something.

Doesnt make you a snowflake, just defending an idiotic position. If you cared about all these lives lost, you'd target hand guns. The fact that people target semi automatic rifles is indicative that they arent serious about saving lives.

 

[IrishLax]

This is kind of off topic, but there's a lot of talk about white nationalism being Trump's fault.

In the past few years we've had a Bernie Bro shoot a sitting member of Congress. They Dayton shooter was an Antifa supporting leftist. Guys like Dylan Roof and the El Paso shooter are white supremacists. The guy for firebombed the ICE facility was an Antifa member citing AOC rhetoric.

Looking at the big picture of mass shootings, the 60% performed by white males almost exactly matches the % of the population that is white. I saw something from Whiskey on Twitter that the number of serial killers is down while mass murders are up... what does this indicate? The same number of mental degenerates, but that they're finding a new way to get their jollies off?

Bottom line - extremism is rising. It's been well documented for years. I blame social media and pervasive cultural issues for that. When you're allowed to go on Twitter and rant with impunity about white males being what's wrong with society... but misgendering someone gets you an immediate, permanent ban... is it surprising that some unstable white men are going off the deep end? I think Trump is a symptom, not the disease. Trump was spawned by a growing undercurrent of resentment from certain parts of marginalized society. His rhetoric is dangerous, maybe he is inspiring violence and hate. I certainly don't think he is helping the situation. But he's reflecting a fucked up society, not causing it, IMO. And a lot of the reason it is fucked up is because of how one fringe is being allowed to operate without consequences... or even applauded.

If people think it's going to get better in 2 years when he's gone, I think they're sorely mistaken. Maybe someone like Biden can act as a unifier. But unless Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are destroyed I see society continuing to degenerate NOT improve.

Oh, and I'm pro gun control. I just don't really think it's going to have more than a marginal impact.

 

[Irish#1]

This is kind of off topic, but there's a lot of talk about white nationalism being Trump's fault.

In the past few years we've had a Bernie Bro shoot a sitting member of Congress. They Dayton shooter was an Antifa supporting leftist. Guys like Dylan Roof and the El Paso shooter are white supremacists. The guy for firebombed the ICE facility was an Antifa member citing AOC rhetoric.

Looking at the big picture of mass shootings, the 60% performed by white males almost exactly matches the % of the population that is white. I saw something from Whiskey on Twitter that the number of serial killers is down while mass murders are up... what does this indicate? The same number of mental degenerates, but that they're finding a new way to get their jollies off?

Bottom line - extremism is rising. It's been well documented for years. I blame social media and pervasive cultural issues for that. When you're allowed to go on Twitter and rant with impunity about white males being what's wrong with society... but misgendering someone gets you an immediate, permanent ban... is it surprising that some unstable white men are going off the deep end? I think Trump is a symptom, not the disease. Trump was spawned by a growing undercurrent of resentment from certain parts of marginalized society. His rhetoric is dangerous, maybe he is inspiring violence and hate. I certainly don't think he is helping the situation. But he's reflecting a fucked up society, not causing it, IMO. And a lot of the reason it is fucked up is because of how one fringe is being allowed to operate without consequences... or even applauded.

If people think it's going to get better in 2 years when he's gone, I think they're sorely mistaken. Maybe someone like Biden can act as a unifier. But unless Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are destroyed I see society continuing to degenerate NOT improve.

Oh, and I'm pro gun control. I just don't really think it's going to have more than a marginal impact.

You communist!

 

[Legacy]

Same old sh*t. His kind doesn't give a cr*p about what he says impacting innocent lives. Would the response be different if this kind of shooter with that type of weapon and ammo stepped onto the baseball field with Reps practicing? Just get through another one and people will forget. "Sad. Bad. Evil" "Guns everywhere" He won't visit with the families. He won't walk into the Trauma Unit and understand the extent of the destruction. This is outcome-driven. "You're not taking away our guns." Those people that want gun control are socialists. 2nd Amendment shall never be abridged. Mental health. Stats. We want your votes. Send us more money, NRA fans. We're not cover for criminals. We don't sell to them in "private sales" or over the Internet without checking their backgrounds. Who cares anyway? We need to arm ourselves agains Big Government, against foreign invasions. Wrap yourselves in the flag, though the vast majority including law-abiding gun owners want reasonable changes. Blah. Blah. Blah.

We do need much better enforcement and we have the laws to do just that. We do need minorities to arm themselves and march on the Capital and their state capitals and vote their consciences. McConnell will slink away. We can't make changes that protect people. Go back where you came from. Another and another and another mass shooting and manifestos. They are sewer rats emboldened by this President. He needs a speech written by someone else. He'll go back on words and never follow-through. We have a not-so-new meaning for cold, dead hands.

Liberals have made the error in thinking government can solve the problem. We do need law enforcement to do just what they are obligated to do under our laws and see who scurries away.

Feel free to slam my socialist viewpoint that starts with universal background checks, emergency and extreme risk protective orders and swift prosecution of those that violate our laws. Socialists and jack-booted fascist ATF and FBI. Both at the same time? Never action. We've heard it all before and will hear it again ad nauseam.

 

[IrishLion]

Doesnt make you a snowflake, just defending an idiotic position. If you cared about all these lives lost, you'd target hand guns. The fact that people target semi automatic rifles is indicative that they arent serious about saving lives.

The inner-city folk that are most likely to kill each other with hand guns are going to do that, regardless of what happens with laws and gun control. We know that. You aren't going to curb those instances of gun violence much, if at all.

I'm concerned with making it much more difficult for nutjobs to get their hands on a semi-auto rifles, which have greater destructive potential.

 

[NorthDakota]

Same old sh*t. His kind doesn't give a cr*p about what he says impacting innocent lives. Would the response be different if this kind of shooter with that type of weapon and ammo stepped onto the baseball field with Reps practicing? Just get through another one and people will forget. "Sad. Bad. Evil" "Guns everywhere" He won't visit with the families. He won't walk into the Trauma Unit and understand. This is outcome-driven. "You're not taking away our guns." Those people that want gun control are socialists. 2nd Amendment shall never be abridged. Mental health. Stats. We want your votes. Send us more money, NRA fans. We're not cover for criminals. We don't sell to them in "private sales" or over the Internet without checking their backgrounds. Who cares anyway? We need to arm ourselves agains Big Government, against foreign invasions. Wrap yourselves in the flag, thought the vast majority want reasonable changes. Blah. Blah. Blah.

We do need much better enforcement and we have the laws to do just that. We do need minorities to arm themselves and march on the Capital. McConnell will slink away. We can't make changes that protect people. Go back where you came from. Another and another and another. They are sewer rats emboldened by this President. He needs a speech written by someone else. He'll go back on words and never follow-through.

Liberals have made the error in thinking government can solve the problem. We do need law enforcement to do just what they are obligated to do under our laws and see who scurries away.

Feel free to slam my socialist viewpoint that starts with universal background checks, emergency and extreme risk protective orders and swift prosecution of those that violate our laws. Socialists and jack-booted fascist ATF and FBI. Both at the same time? Never action. We've heard it all before.

Why would my reaction be different based on what gun some commie uses while targeting GOP leaders? I dont know what gun the dude used nor do I care.

Why would I go to a trauma unit? I'm not a doctor. Why would I need to "visit the families" when mine has been on the receiving end of gun violence? Sounds like driving across town to hit up a McDonalds when I live next door to one.

If a bunch of minorities arm themselves and "March on Washington" I fully dig that. Believe it or not, the 2nd Amendment isn't reserved for white dudes. I'd question the effectiveness of their argument if it was anti-gun since it would basically endorse the opposite.

I'm also intrigued by your blame on the President, yet I don't know that I've ever seen you so much as hint any fault with Democrats for the Congressional shooting, the attack on the ICE facility, or this clown in Dayton. Maybe you have, I dont comb through people's posts.

The world is a hard place. People die. Pray for them, accept it, and move on. Every time you people get all up in arms about changing gun laws the gun manufacturers sell out of a specific maligned rifle.

 

[Irishize]

Same old sh*t. His kind doesn't give a cr*p about what he says impacting innocent lives. Would the response be different if this kind of shooter with that type of weapon and ammo stepped onto the baseball field with Reps practicing? Just get through another one and people will forget. "Sad. Bad. Evil" "Guns everywhere" He won't visit with the families. He won't walk into the Trauma Unit and understand the extent of the destruction. This is outcome-driven. "You're not taking away our guns." Those people that want gun control are socialists. 2nd Amendment shall never be abridged. Mental health. Stats. We want your votes. Send us more money, NRA fans. We're not cover for criminals. We don't sell to them in "private sales" or over the Internet without checking their backgrounds. Who cares anyway? We need to arm ourselves agains Big Government, against foreign invasions. Wrap yourselves in the flag, though the vast majority including law-abiding gun owners want reasonable changes. Blah. Blah. Blah.

We do need much better enforcement and we have the laws to do just that. We do need minorities to arm themselves and march on the Capital and their state capitals and vote their consciences. McConnell will slink away. We can't make changes that protect people. Go back where you came from. Another and another and another mass shooting and manifestos. They are sewer rats emboldened by this President. He needs a speech written by someone else. He'll go back on words and never follow-through. We have a not-so-new meaning for cold, dead hands.

Liberals have made the error in thinking government can solve the problem. We do need law enforcement to do just what they are obligated to do under our laws and see who scurries away.

Feel free to slam my socialist viewpoint that starts with universal background checks, emergency and extreme risk protective orders and swift prosecution of those that violate our laws. Socialists and jack-booted fascist ATF and FBI. Both at the same time? Never action. We've heard it all before and will hear it again ad nauseam.

So to be clear, you’ve no problem w/ psychos who were emboldened by what Bernie Sanders (D.C.), AOC (ICE) or Elizabeth Warren (Dayton) say rhetorically b/c they’re not Trump? But whatever Trump says (& I agree he says some dumb shit) it triggers dim-witted, bi-polar outcasts to steal their parents’ hunting rifle & go nuts on innocents ala “The Manchurian Candidate”. At least rational folks can be consistent by agreeing that Obama, Sanders, AOC, Trump nor Warren are directly responsible for any of the recent mass shootings despite the fact that in each case the shooter was a known follower of one of the aforementioned politicians.

If you want to know why moderates & conservatives don’t trust MSM, it’s double standards like that. Look what the NY Times did the other day. They reported the news & used Trump’s words in the headline...like a non-bias reporting should be. But then after the 1st edition was seen, the Leftists went up in arms & demanded it be changed or the NYT would be painted w/ the same broad brush that equates anything not negative towards Trump as supporting bigotry.

Then instead of letting Mitch McConnell dig his own electoral grave w/ his actions that are typical of ALL career politicians, a bunch of Leftists nuts are filmed shouting obscenities & wishing harm to the guy after he broke his shoulder b/c his former polio-afflicted legs gave out. Yeah, that’s who America’s undecided voters want to support as an alternative to the Republicans.

“The Left are racist b/c they never shed a tear nor speak out against gun violence in the inner-city....specifically Chicago where 7 people were gunned down in the wake of El Paso & Dayton” (This ludicrous quote is what the Right would say if they were like the Left.)

 

[Irish YJ]

This is kind of off topic, but there's a lot of talk about white nationalism being Trump's fault.

In the past few years we've had a Bernie Bro shoot a sitting member of Congress. They Dayton shooter was an Antifa supporting leftist. Guys like Dylan Roof and the El Paso shooter are white supremacists. The guy for firebombed the ICE facility was an Antifa member citing AOC rhetoric.

Looking at the big picture of mass shootings, the 60% performed by white males almost exactly matches the % of the population that is white. I saw something from Whiskey on Twitter that the number of serial killers is down while mass murders are up... what does this indicate? The same number of mental degenerates, but that they're finding a new way to get their jollies off?

Bottom line - extremism is rising. It's been well documented for years. I blame social media and pervasive cultural issues for that. When you're allowed to go on Twitter and rant with impunity about white males being what's wrong with society... but misgendering someone gets you an immediate, permanent ban... is it surprising that some unstable white men are going off the deep end? I think Trump is a symptom, not the disease. Trump was spawned by a growing undercurrent of resentment from certain parts of marginalized society. His rhetoric is dangerous, maybe he is inspiring violence and hate. I certainly don't think he is helping the situation. But he's reflecting a fucked up society, not causing it, IMO. And a lot of the reason it is fucked up is because of how one fringe is being allowed to operate without consequences... or even applauded.

If people think it's going to get better in 2 years when he's gone, I think they're sorely mistaken. Maybe someone like Biden can act as a unifier. But unless Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are destroyed I see society continuing to degenerate NOT improve.

Oh, and I'm pro gun control. I just don't really think it's going to have more than a marginal impact.

Agree on FB, Twitter, etc.. But I think the biggest things driving people to do crazy shit are politics (both sides) and MSM.

Politics is a constant state of extreme positions and media is constant outrage. There's no middle in either. I don't see the right really going more right on most positions, but it's pretty obvious the left is going way left. The right to me is actually moving slowly to the left and just trying to hold. The left though is in a competition to see he can go the farthest. It's pretty obvious with what we've been seeing on the debates.

The media at the same time is stoking every single thing. You simply can't have a fair and fact based conversation about any problems facing America without being labeled a racist or some other power word of the day. You can't be a conservative minority without being labeled a race traitor. You can't call out or criticize anyone unless they're a white male without some type of label.

The election coming up is going to be interesting. And I agree, getting rid of Trump solves nothing. He's a buffoon but he didn't start any of this crap. IMO, if one of the far left progressives gets elected, nothing changes. If anything, it gets worse from a divide perspective. I truly think the next 20 years are going to be bad and we're going to see some horrible stuff due to the new "normal".

 

[Legacy]

Why would my reaction be different based on what gun some commie uses while targeting GOP leaders? I dont know what gun the dude used nor do I care.

Why would I go to a trauma unit? I'm not a doctor. Why would I need to "visit the families" when mine has been on the receiving end of gun violence? Sounds like driving across town to hit up a McDonalds when I live next door to one.

If a bunch of minorities arm themselves and "March on Washington" I fully dig that. Believe it or not, the 2nd Amendment isn't reserved for white dudes. I'd question the effectiveness of their argument if it was anti-gun since it would basically endorse the opposite.

I'm also intrigued by your blame on the President, yet I don't know that I've ever seen you so much as hint any fault with Democrats for the Congressional shooting, the attack on the ICE facility, or this clown in Dayton. Maybe you have, I dont comb through people's posts.

The world is a hard place. People die. Pray for them, accept it, and move on. Every time you people get all up in arms about changing gun laws the gun manufacturers sell out of a specific maligned rifle.

While I do applaud you for not tagging posters as "dumbass" and - speaking for everyone - thank you for the revelatory remarks "OH MY GOODNESS THESE GUNS FIRE BULLETS THAT SHATTER BONES THEY HIT" and "The world is a hard place. People die" that have personally led to an epiphany of epistemological proportions. Whether your misrepresentations and misdirections are intentional or misunderstanding makes no difference to me.

I thought we as a nation were far beyond whether Trump's tweets were racist or not and stoking hatred. Make your case if you think he is not. Make your case that battlefield terms like "culture war", existential threats and "invasion" with regard to minorities while encompassing terms of rapists, criminals and taking your jobs does not fire up white supremacists.

I want to explain that it is more a function of his personality disorder, which makes him unable to feel the compassion and empathy the rest of us feel. The majority of Americans polled recognize intentional racism in his words and the white supremacists don't respond to poll, so we are far beyond a slight majority.

Almost 9 out of 10 Americans wanted universal background checks with similar results on red flag laws and a significant majority of Americans in favor of banning assault weapons, including a majority of Republicans. If Trump really wants to unify and get bipartisan move forward, demand these bills, which are blocked by the majority leader, come to a vote. #MassacreMitch is no way to approach this public health threat. Neither are your statements which was something like "I'd let loose a blast over the migrants heads and see how they run". Correct that if I have it wrong or you recognize that those words do not really represent your feelings now.

 

[NorthDakota]

While I do applaud you for not tagging posters as "dumbass" and - speaking for everyone - thank you for the revelatory remarks "OH MY GOODNESS THESE GUNS FIRE BULLETS THAT SHATTER BONES THEY HIT" and "The world is a hard place. People die" that have personally led to an epiphany of epistemological proportions. Whether your misrepresentations and misdirections are intentional or misunderstanding makes no difference to me.

I thought we as a nation were far beyond whether Trump's tweets were racist or not and stoking hatred. Make your case if you think he is not. Make your case that battlefield terms like "culture war", existential threats and "invasion" with regard to minorities while encompassing terms of rapists, criminals and taking your jobs does not fire up white supremacists.

I want to explain that it is more a function of his personality disorder, which makes him unable to feel the compassion and empathy the rest of us feel. The majority of Americans polled recognize intentional racism in his words and the white supremacists don't respond to poll, so we are far beyond a slight majority.

Almost 9 out of 10 Americans wanted universal background checks with similar results on red flag laws and a significant majority of Americans in favor of banning assault weapons, including a majority of Republicans. If Trump really wants to unify and get bipartisan move forward, demand these bills, which are blocked by the majority leader, come to a vote. #MassacreMitch is no way to approach this public health threat. Neither are your statements which was something like "I'd let loose a blast over the migrants heads and see how they run". Correct that if I have it wrong or you recognize that those words do not really represent your feelings now.

An awful lot iof words here without telling us if you blame the DNC or any of its prominent members for what happened at the baseball field, the ICE facility, or Dayton.

And no, I my feelings towards the criminals illegally coming into the United States have not changed.

 

[Irish#1]

Agree on FB, Twitter, etc.. But I think the biggest things driving people to do crazy shit are politics (both sides) and MSM.

Politics is a constant state of extreme positions and media is constant outrage. There's no middle in either. I don't see the right really going more right on most positions, but it's pretty obvious the left is going way left. The right to me is actually moving slowly to the left and just trying to hold. The left though is in a competition to see he can go the farthest. It's pretty obvious with what we've been seeing on the debates.

The media at the same time is stoking every single thing. You simply can't have a fair and fact based conversation about any problems facing America without being labeled a racist or some other power word of the day. You can't be a conservative minority without being labeled a race traitor. You can't call out or criticize anyone unless they're a white male without some type of label.

The election coming up is going to be interesting. And I agree, getting rid of Trump solves nothing. He's a buffoon but he didn't start any of this crap. IMO, if one of the far left progressives gets elected, nothing changes. If anything, it gets worse from a divide perspective. I truly think the next 20 years are going to be bad and we're going to see some horrible stuff due to the new "normal".

You’re right, nothing will change if a lefty gets elected, but I guarantee you they will continue to blame Trump.

 

[Irish YJ]

While I do applaud you for not tagging posters as "dumbass" and - speaking for everyone - thank you for the revelatory remarks "OH MY GOODNESS THESE GUNS FIRE BULLETS THAT SHATTER BONES THEY HIT" and "The world is a hard place. People die" that have personally led to an epiphany of epistemological proportions. Whether your misrepresentations and misdirections are intentional or misunderstanding makes no difference to me.

I thought we as a nation were far beyond whether Trump's tweets were racist or not and stoking hatred. Make your case if you think he is not. Make your case that battlefield terms like "culture war", existential threats and "invasion" with regard to minorities while encompassing terms of rapists, criminals and taking your jobs does not fire up white supremacists.

I want to explain that it is more a function of his personality disorder, which makes him unable to feel the compassion and empathy the rest of us feel. The majority of Americans polled recognize intentional racism in his words and the white supremacists don't respond to poll, so we are far beyond a slight majority.

Almost 9 out of 10 Americans wanted universal background checks with similar results on red flag laws and a significant majority of Americans in favor of banning assault weapons, including a majority of Republicans. If Trump really wants to unify and get bipartisan move forward, demand these bills, which are blocked by the majority leader, come to a vote. #MassacreMitch is no way to approach this public health threat. Neither are your statements which was something like "I'd let loose a blast over the migrants heads and see how they run". Correct that if I have it wrong or you recognize that those words do not really represent your feelings now.

Honest question #1. Does wanting border enforcement and enforcement of existing immigration law equate to racism? Can one speak about the negative impact to Americans caused by illegal immigration without being labeled a racist? Can one speak about the risk of drugs, gangs, crime, human trafficking, etc crossing the border without being labeled a dog whistler.

Honest question #2. If conservatives said OK, we'll agree to ban assault rifles if you agree to include permanent support in that same bill for handguns, shotguns, and standard rifles? Would liberals support?

 

[NorthDakota]

Honest question #1. Does wanting border enforcement and enforcement of existing immigration law equate to racism? Can one speak about the negative impact to Americans caused by illegal immigration without being labeled a racist? Can one speak about the risk of drugs, gangs, crime, human trafficking, etc crossing the border without being labeled a dog whistler.

Honest question #2. If conservatives said OK, we'll agree to ban assault rifles if you agree to include permanent support in that same bill for handguns, shotguns, and standard rifles? Would liberals support?

Assault rifles have been essentially illegal for decades. They have made up new terms like "assault weapon" that describe pretty much all semi automatic rifles.

 

[Irish YJ]

You’re right, nothing will change if a lefty gets elected, but I guarantee you they will continue to blame Trump.

It's 100% hypocrisy. On immigration, just about every prominent dem has supported a wall and deportation prior to Trump. On health care, the left has too many corp hands in their pocket to ever pass a single payer system right now, and are simply creating theater. On the environment, we'll do stupid shit like banning straws and drive up production cost while other countries like China grow their emissions with no impact to cost which will ultimately grow the trade imbalance. Then the progressives who scream about the tarrifs and their impacts to US spending power will happily raise taxes and levy new ones that will reduce spending power.

I'm for single payer (if done right), but I don't think the libs promoting it are willing or capable of doing what needs to be done. I'm for attacking the environmental problems we have, but it needs to be a global attack (carbon tariffs) instead of just hoping other countries do their part, while only penalizing our domestic businesses. And.. I'd be happy to open the door wider for legal immigrants if we could only stop the illegal flow and get rid of sham policies we have that encourage the illegal aspects.

 

[Irish#1]

While I do applaud you for not tagging posters as "dumbass" and - speaking for everyone

He just tells them to go fuck themselves. lol

 

[Irish#1]

It's 100% hypocrisy. On immigration, just about every prominent dem has supported a wall and deportation prior to Trump. On health care, the left has too many corp hands in their pocket to ever pass a single payer system right now, and are simply creating theater. On the environment, we'll do stupid shit like banning straws and drive up production cost while other countries like China grow their emissions with no impact to cost which will ultimately grow the trade imbalance. Then the progressives who scream about the tarrifs and their impacts to US spending power will happily raise taxes and levy new ones that will reduce spending power.

I'm for single payer (if done right), but I don't think the libs promoting it are willing or capable of doing what needs to be done. I'm for attacking the environmental problems we have, but it needs to be a global attack (carbon tariffs) instead of just hoping other countries do their part, while only penalizing our domestic businesses. And.. I'd be happy to open the door wider for legal immigrants if we could only stop the illegal flow and get rid of sham policies we have that encourage the illegal aspects.

Time for you to move back to Indy and run against Andre Carson. I'll be your campaign manager.

 

[Legacy]

An awful lot iof words here without telling us if you blame the DNC or any of its prominent members for what happened at the baseball field, the ICE facility, or Dayton.

And no, I my feelings towards the criminals illegally coming into the United States have not changed.

Those words and multiple issues can be challenging for some non-snowflakes, though I'll have to research how the Democratic leadership conspired with mass murderers in order to use the incidents to take away everyone's guns, pass laws protecting victims of domestic abuse, and universal background checks. I do admit to now visiting our video game threads with some trepidation that it masks the burgeoning hatred permeating our American society. I just am having difficulty grasping the causation.

Not to be too personal, but are you struggling with your Catholic faith, which on the one hand condemns both abortion and righteous violence of the "invasion" at our southern borders of those claiming asylum and the their existential threat to our country?

At the risk of pre-empting anyone:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/728297587418247168?lang=en

Mayors urge Senate to return to Washington for gun bill vote

 

[NorthDakota]

Those words and multiple issues can be challenging for some non-snowflakes, though I'll have to research how the Democratic leadership conspired with mass murderers in order to use the incidents to take away everyone's guns, pass laws protecting victims of domestic abuse, and universal background checks. I do admit to now visiting our video game threads with some trepidation that it masks the burgeoning hatred permeating our American society. I just am having difficulty grasping the causation.

Not to be too personal, but are you struggling with your Catholic faith, which on the one hand condemns both abortion and righteous violence of the "invasion" at our southern borders of those claiming asylum and the their existential threat to our country?

At the risk of pre-empting anyone:
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/728297587418247168?lang=en

If your logic leads you to blame Donald Trump for shootings carried out by people on one side of the political spectrum but not blame Democrats for carbon copy attacks then people arent going to take you seriously.

No. I don't struggle with my Catholic faith. What a goofy question to ask lmao.

 

[Irishize]

“The Problem with Young Men & Mass Shootings”


https://www.dailywire.com/news/50369/witt-problem-young-men-and-mass-shootings-will-witt

 

[drayer54]

“The Problem with Young Men & Mass Shootings”


https://www.dailywire.com/news/50369/witt-problem-young-men-and-mass-shootings-will-witt

Well, the problem is kids like this. Red flags galore.

"Former high school classmates said that he had a "hit list" of people he wanted to kill or rape. He was in a "pornogrind" band with extremely graphic, violent lyrics. And authorities searching his family home found writings that expressed an interest in killing people, two law enforcement sources told CNN.
But the writings did not indicate any racial or political motive, sources said.
In addition, a Twitter account that appears to belong to Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html

 

[ACamp1900]

So I learned 'pornogrind' is a thing... no idea what it is but apparently, it's a thing.

 

[drayer54]

So I learned 'pornogrind' is a thing... no idea what it is but apparently, it's a thing.

No guns for people who pornogrind. I'll agree to that.

 

[Irish YJ]

Time for you to move back to Indy and run against Andre Carson. I'll be your campaign manager.

My mother would love that. I'm considering moving farther south . Naples has been drawing me a lot the last few years. If this country continues on it's current trend though, I may revisit my old plans to move to Belize.....

I'll tell you what. If I win the lottery, I'll move us both down to Naples. I'll be your campaign manager.