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I'd rather they ban sugar than cow....
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I'd rather they ban sugar than cow....
If we ban cow the nation of India will roll over in spasms of cultural appropriation, Alyssa Milano will burn up twitter with untoward Trump teat tweets, 7-Elevens across the country will shut down in protest over tariff fears, and Nadler will call the vote for impeachment.
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This was more economics than policy. The AR-15 market is so diluted now and the Colt AR is about as plain Jane middle of the road as it gets.
Most people who wanted one got one onboard in 2013 when Barack was threatening them. Of course, the prices then were $1000-2000 for a solid rifle and they were flying off the shelves.
AR-15’s aren’t exactly consumer staples that *most people buy monthly or quarterly. So people got them and kept them. Now you see two kinds of ARs selling: The boutique ones for $2500 and the cheap ones for $400-500. Colt sold plain $800-900 rifles that varied based on features and accessories.
That middle market is hurting with private consumers. The gun companies that are hanging on are the mom and pop shops making a neat little rifle or the big boys that sell to military companies. The only person really working hard to sell ARs right now is Beto.
The anti-gunners (democrats) have probably done more to sell rifles than anything else. But the market has responded with a huge decrease in demand. They’d probably do more to leave it alone, but that doesn’t raise bucks from suburban soccer moms.
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Well, this has more to do with the state of policing than gun policy. However, I do think that policing has more of an impact on gun-related crime statistics than anything else. You look at every city that has abandoned actively policing the community and you’ll find a huge spike in crime. That in turn gets turned into a pitch by gun-control activists to fix a problem with policies that don’t address the crime. It’s like wallpapering the closet while the house is on fire.
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Not being there first hand we don't know exactly what was going on, but given today's environment, if I'm a policeman, I'm going to be very cautious when it comes to using my gun. Surprised there isn't body cam video available.
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First off the title is bullshit. You are making it a political issue right from the get go. And you are making it a racial issue that this country has enough of already.
It looks like the police department ans states attorney's office are trying to get ahead of the ball and do whats right. It appears that the body camera in this case is doing it's job.
It looks like the police department ans states attorney's office are trying to get ahead of the ball and do whats right. It appears that the body camera in this case is doing it's job.
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Every time they get their knickers in a bunch they do get more young white men to go buy them. I'd say at this point probably half my friends from college have one. My high school friends the number is lower.
I do wonder what the actual number of them in circulation are. The estimates are pretty wide.
I suspect it has to do with both policing and policy. Failure of the police to identify themselves when responding to a possible burglary and an individual using her 2nd Amendment Rights to defend family and home ... from possible burglars. A followup article reported a witness inside the house said she took a gun from her purse after hearing noises outside the house. She was shot while pointing the gun toward the window which sounds like what most people would do in a defensive reaction. The cop probably saw the gun pointed in their direction and fearing for his life ... shot. According to the chief the shooter violated several procedures including firing into an occupied home without being fired upon.
There's more to get sorted out but it strikes me as an incredible tragedy. The neighbor who called the police said he felt responsible for reporting an open door at night. He said if he hadn't called the woman would still be alive. Sad.
I didn't write the title, Reuters did. Which part of "Texas policeman faces charges after killing black woman in her home" was inaccurate? He was a Texas policeman until he resigned before he could be fired. He does faces charges. It seems he fired the only shots. The woman that died was black, was at home, and was killed.
I didn't make any issue, political or racial. I posted an article about a tragic story.
Your knee jerk comments here are as inaccurate as the comments you make in the football threads.
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OCTOBER 15, 2019 / 12:57 PM / UPDATED 21 MINUTES AGO
Texas woman killed by officer pointed gun after hearing noises
(Reuters) - A Texas woman was shot dead by a Fort Worth police officer in her home after she heard noises outside, picked up a handgun and pointed it at a window, the officer’s arrest warrant showed on Tuesday.
Atatiana Jefferson, 28, was playing video games with her 8-year-old nephew around 2:30 am on Saturday when she heard sounds in her backyard, according to the warrant for former Fort Worth Police Officer Aaron Dean’s arrest for alleged murder.
The noises were Dean, 34, and his partner moving around the back of her home, without announcing their presence, after they were sent to investigate why her front door was open.
Dean resigned on Monday before he could be fired for breaching a string of police policies by shooting Jefferson dead with a single shot through a bedroom window, according to Fort Worth Police Chief Ed Kraus.
Dean’s attorney, Jim Lane, told Fort Worth’s NBC 5 television station his client “is sorry” for “the tragedy” and his family “is in shock.” Lane did not respond to a request for further comment.
Jefferson’s death stirred outrage in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, which is still reeling from this month’s conviction of white former Texas police officer Amber Guyger for murdering Botham Jean, a black man, as he sat in his home eating ice cream.
Lee Merritt, the attorney for Jefferson’s family, said Fort Worth police have fatally shot seven people in under six months and called for Dean’s bosses to also be held accountable for his actions.
The CLEAT police union said it sent staff at its Fort Worth office home after receiving threats following what it called “absolutely false” media reports it posted a $200,000 bond for Dean. The union said it was paying a portion of his legal fees.
Kraus said there was “absolutely no excuse” for Jefferson’s death and said she had every right to defend herself under Texas law.
“It makes sense she would have a gun if she felt threatened or if there was someone in the backyard,” an emotional Kraus said, adding that her death had “eroded the trust we have built with the community.”
Jefferson’s nephew Zion told police his aunt heard noises coming from outside and took her handgun from her purse, according to the warrant.
“Jefferson raised her handgun, pointed it toward the window, then Jefferson was shot and fell to the ground,” the warrant recounted the nephew telling police, adding that his aunt yelled out in pain.
Fort Worth has called on independent experts to evaluate the police department’s practices, policies and training following the shooting, Kraus said.
Texas woman killed by officer pointed gun after hearing noises
(Reuters) - A Texas woman was shot dead by a Fort Worth police officer in her home after she heard noises outside, picked up a handgun and pointed it at a window, the officer’s arrest warrant showed on Tuesday.
Atatiana Jefferson, 28, was playing video games with her 8-year-old nephew around 2:30 am on Saturday when she heard sounds in her backyard, according to the warrant for former Fort Worth Police Officer Aaron Dean’s arrest for alleged murder.
The noises were Dean, 34, and his partner moving around the back of her home, without announcing their presence, after they were sent to investigate why her front door was open.
Dean resigned on Monday before he could be fired for breaching a string of police policies by shooting Jefferson dead with a single shot through a bedroom window, according to Fort Worth Police Chief Ed Kraus.
Dean’s attorney, Jim Lane, told Fort Worth’s NBC 5 television station his client “is sorry” for “the tragedy” and his family “is in shock.” Lane did not respond to a request for further comment.
Jefferson’s death stirred outrage in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, which is still reeling from this month’s conviction of white former Texas police officer Amber Guyger for murdering Botham Jean, a black man, as he sat in his home eating ice cream.
Lee Merritt, the attorney for Jefferson’s family, said Fort Worth police have fatally shot seven people in under six months and called for Dean’s bosses to also be held accountable for his actions.
The CLEAT police union said it sent staff at its Fort Worth office home after receiving threats following what it called “absolutely false” media reports it posted a $200,000 bond for Dean. The union said it was paying a portion of his legal fees.
Kraus said there was “absolutely no excuse” for Jefferson’s death and said she had every right to defend herself under Texas law.
“It makes sense she would have a gun if she felt threatened or if there was someone in the backyard,” an emotional Kraus said, adding that her death had “eroded the trust we have built with the community.”
Jefferson’s nephew Zion told police his aunt heard noises coming from outside and took her handgun from her purse, according to the warrant.
“Jefferson raised her handgun, pointed it toward the window, then Jefferson was shot and fell to the ground,” the warrant recounted the nephew telling police, adding that his aunt yelled out in pain.
Fort Worth has called on independent experts to evaluate the police department’s practices, policies and training following the shooting, Kraus said.
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Not siding with the police here, but I always wonder how anyone reacts to these situations (like seeing gun pointed out the window). These policemen go through training, but the fact is the policeman knows it's a training situation, so their mental process (Fear, surprise, uncertainty) is different in a real life scenario. I have no idea how I would react, but my thought is to take cover first rather than fire a shot. Still wonder why they never announced themselves? If they had, this probably doesn't end with her death. Tragic indeed.
The Fort Worth officer who shot Atatiana Jefferson wasn't actually asked to do a welfare check
By Nicole Chavez, CNN Updated 11:25 PM ET, Wed October 16, 2019
(CNN)When Atatiana Jefferson's neighbor called police, he says he expected them to go check and see if she was OK.
But the officer who shot her in her own home was sent on a call that police often handle as a potential burglary.
Authorities are looking into what former Fort Worth police officer Aaron Dean and his partner were told before arriving to Jefferson's home.
"The information came from the neighbor to the call-takers and while it was relayed to the dispatch, it was determined to be an open structure call," Fort Worth interim Police Chief Ed Kraus told reporters on Tuesday.
Experts say that classification escalated things beyond a welfare check, and meant the officers would respond differently.
It could have been a burglary or other crime
Many times a welfare check involves a medical emergency, an elderly person living alone or a relative who is difficult to get ahold of.
For those calls, police officers usually knock on someone's door and wait for an answer. But the mindset of a police officer changes when they hear it's an "open structure" or "open door" call.
Michael "Britt" London, president of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, said officers have a more cautious approach and run through multiple scenarios in their heads. They could be presented with a simple case of a door left unlocked, an abandoned home, or a burglary in progress.
"You are at a higher sensitivity to what is going on with that house," London said. "You have to be ready for anything. You are taking more of your environment in consideration to be ready for a surprise if there's one."
The first thing that comes to mind is often a burglary -- that's why officers search for signs of forced entry like a broken window or a damaged door.
Body camera footage from that night shows Dean, 34, peering through two open doors and walking around the perimeter of the house. He then pointed his weapon at a window and yelled "Put your hands up! Show me your hands!" seconds before he opened fire, striking Jefferson.
He resigned from the department on Monday, and was arrested and charged with murder. His attorney, Jim Lane, told CNN the former officer is remorseful.
"My client is sorry and his family is in shock," Lane said.
'They never have both doors open'
Jefferson's neighbor told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that he was worried to see a front door open late at night, so he called a non-emergency police line. But he didn't mention a potential burglary.
"Well, the front doors have been open since 10 o'clock. I haven't seen anybody moving around. It's not normal for them to have both of the doors open this time of night," Jefferson's neighbor said, according to audio of the phone call released by authorities.
"OK, do you know if anyone is inside?" the police call-taker asked him.
"I'm not sure. Both of the cars are there," he replied.
The neighbor went on to describe the vehicles and also confirmed his name and phone number.
"Are they usually home at this time?" the call-taker later asked him.
"They're usually home but they never have both doors open," the neighbor told her. "The lights are on, I can see through the house. My sister woke me up, she lives across the street from them. I live on the opposite side of my sister."
Officer's behavior was 'extremely concerning,' former chief says
Jeff Halstead, a retired Fort Worth chief of police and police consultant, said there was nothing in the body camera footage released after the shooting suggests there was a crime happening.
"They were standing literally at the front door, they could see whether the door was kicked on or not. The lights were on, there was evidence that people were living there, there were toys," Halstead said.
"Why they advanced to an extremely dark backyard area without at least ringing the doorbell or checking the entrance? That's extremely concerning."
Dean's experience as a police officer could have factored into how he acted during the call, Halstead said.
"Some officers, younger officers, think every call is an extreme risk or high profile call," he said. "With seniority, maturity, experience, you can customize your mindset in approaching a lot of different calls."
Dean was hired in August 2017 and commissioned as a licensed officer in April 2018.
By Nicole Chavez, CNN Updated 11:25 PM ET, Wed October 16, 2019
(CNN)When Atatiana Jefferson's neighbor called police, he says he expected them to go check and see if she was OK.
But the officer who shot her in her own home was sent on a call that police often handle as a potential burglary.
Authorities are looking into what former Fort Worth police officer Aaron Dean and his partner were told before arriving to Jefferson's home.
"The information came from the neighbor to the call-takers and while it was relayed to the dispatch, it was determined to be an open structure call," Fort Worth interim Police Chief Ed Kraus told reporters on Tuesday.
Experts say that classification escalated things beyond a welfare check, and meant the officers would respond differently.
It could have been a burglary or other crime
Many times a welfare check involves a medical emergency, an elderly person living alone or a relative who is difficult to get ahold of.
For those calls, police officers usually knock on someone's door and wait for an answer. But the mindset of a police officer changes when they hear it's an "open structure" or "open door" call.
Michael "Britt" London, president of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, said officers have a more cautious approach and run through multiple scenarios in their heads. They could be presented with a simple case of a door left unlocked, an abandoned home, or a burglary in progress.
"You are at a higher sensitivity to what is going on with that house," London said. "You have to be ready for anything. You are taking more of your environment in consideration to be ready for a surprise if there's one."
The first thing that comes to mind is often a burglary -- that's why officers search for signs of forced entry like a broken window or a damaged door.
Body camera footage from that night shows Dean, 34, peering through two open doors and walking around the perimeter of the house. He then pointed his weapon at a window and yelled "Put your hands up! Show me your hands!" seconds before he opened fire, striking Jefferson.
He resigned from the department on Monday, and was arrested and charged with murder. His attorney, Jim Lane, told CNN the former officer is remorseful.
"My client is sorry and his family is in shock," Lane said.
'They never have both doors open'
Jefferson's neighbor told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that he was worried to see a front door open late at night, so he called a non-emergency police line. But he didn't mention a potential burglary.
"Well, the front doors have been open since 10 o'clock. I haven't seen anybody moving around. It's not normal for them to have both of the doors open this time of night," Jefferson's neighbor said, according to audio of the phone call released by authorities.
"OK, do you know if anyone is inside?" the police call-taker asked him.
"I'm not sure. Both of the cars are there," he replied.
The neighbor went on to describe the vehicles and also confirmed his name and phone number.
"Are they usually home at this time?" the call-taker later asked him.
"They're usually home but they never have both doors open," the neighbor told her. "The lights are on, I can see through the house. My sister woke me up, she lives across the street from them. I live on the opposite side of my sister."
Officer's behavior was 'extremely concerning,' former chief says
Jeff Halstead, a retired Fort Worth chief of police and police consultant, said there was nothing in the body camera footage released after the shooting suggests there was a crime happening.
"They were standing literally at the front door, they could see whether the door was kicked on or not. The lights were on, there was evidence that people were living there, there were toys," Halstead said.
"Why they advanced to an extremely dark backyard area without at least ringing the doorbell or checking the entrance? That's extremely concerning."
Dean's experience as a police officer could have factored into how he acted during the call, Halstead said.
"Some officers, younger officers, think every call is an extreme risk or high profile call," he said. "With seniority, maturity, experience, you can customize your mindset in approaching a lot of different calls."
Dean was hired in August 2017 and commissioned as a licensed officer in April 2018.
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That's what I was referring to in my post. Seems knocking on the door or ringing the doorbell would have been the first step taken.
Over two hundred casings were from .223 caliber rounds produced by Remington that are the caliber bullets used in M-16 and AR-15 rifles were found at the scene of the massacre of those Mormon mothers and children, a couple of articles on gun smuggling of American weapons into Mexico, which are usually bought at gun shows or through private sales.
Mexicans are killing each other at record rates. The U.S. provides the guns (LA Times, Oct 6, 2019)
Arming the Cartels: The Inside Story of a Texas Gun-Smuggling Ring
Selling weapons south of the border is big business — and America’s loose gun laws are also devastating for Mexico (Rolling Stone)
Mexicans are killing each other at record rates. The U.S. provides the guns (LA Times, Oct 6, 2019)
Arming the Cartels: The Inside Story of a Texas Gun-Smuggling Ring
Selling weapons south of the border is big business — and America’s loose gun laws are also devastating for Mexico (Rolling Stone)
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Read the first one, and it's misleading... 70% recovered are US??? Only 30% of the weapons that are recovered are attempted to be traced, and those are picked out by the MX military as weapons likely to be from the US. 70% of that 30%, or 21% factually are from the US.
What the article also fails to address or be clear about, is how weapons are getting to MX. The overwhelming majority of weapons are legally purchased and then smuggled across by the cartel via illegals here in the US. The latest trend is that the cartel approaches women to buy the arms from any old gun store, paying them peanuts, and then taking them across on foot. It's really easy to go South.
The article also fails to address that a lot of guns come from CAm and SAm, particularly Guatemala, but also originate from Europe and other places. Almost all the grenade launchers and big stuff come from Guatemala. There are a ton of Russian made that come in from LA, that are never attempted at a trace because they know they're not from the US.... There's a ton of legal sales/transfers too into MX and LAm that end up in the wrong hands. The US accounted for less than a 1/3 of those transfers. Of those sending weapsons..... Belgium, Czech Republic, Germany, Israel, Italy, Russia, South Africa, and Spain make up the other 2/3+.
It's pretty rich most on the left won't allow a wall to be built that would slow the flow of smuggling people, drugs, and arms both ways..... But true to form, would rather blame the US for Mexican violence. Anyone knows as long as there is demand, people will find a way.... Do something about the demand and stop searching for ways to attack the US and 2nd amendment.
"appearred"??? Despite the photos of two black people.
"appearred"??? Despite the photos of two black people.
Rashida Tlaib wrongly claims ‘white supremacy’ behind Jersey City slaughter
By Tamar LapinDecember 12, 2019
Next it will be the fault of the dead first responder.
Officer, 3 Civilians and 2 Suspects Dead in Jersey City Shootout
The shooting began after an officer approached a van believed to be linked to a murder; the suspects shot the cop and took off, then killed three others after holing up inside a store
By Jonathan Dienst, Brian Thompson, Adam Kuperstein, Ray Villeda and Jennifer Millman NBCNewYork Published December 10, 2019 • Updated at 2:24 pm on December 12, 2019
"appearred"??? Despite the photos of two black people.
Rashida Tlaib wrongly claims ‘white supremacy’ behind Jersey City slaughter
By Tamar LapinDecember 12, 2019
Next it will be the fault of the dead first responder.
Officer, 3 Civilians and 2 Suspects Dead in Jersey City Shootout
The shooting began after an officer approached a van believed to be linked to a murder; the suspects shot the cop and took off, then killed three others after holing up inside a store
By Jonathan Dienst, Brian Thompson, Adam Kuperstein, Ray Villeda and Jennifer Millman NBCNewYork Published December 10, 2019 • Updated at 2:24 pm on December 12, 2019
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Red flag laws have overwhelming national support Such laws ant the risk protection orders have been enacted in California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Washington, D.C.
A recent poll shows this is a bipartisan issue, but a minority still fights these.
Eighty-nine percent of respondents strongly or somewhat favored Congress “pass[ing] a red flag law that lets family members or law enforcement ask a court to temporarily suspend a person’s access to guns when there are clear warning signs they pose a danger to themselves or others.”
That support included:
• 93% of Democrats, 85% of Independents, and 86% of Republicans;
• 84% of gun-owning households;
• 86% of respondents who voted for President Trump in 2016; and
• 95% of self-identified liberals, 91% of self-identified moderates, and 85% of self-identified conservatives.
• What’s more, no region -- northeast, south, midwest, or west -- or type of area -- urban, suburban, or small town/rural -- saw less than 88% support for Congress passing a Red Flag law.
In 2019, red-flag bills were also being considered in Ohio (Dayton), Pennsylvania, Michigan, North Carolina, Nebraska, and Kentucky. Sixty-two percent of gun deaths are suicides.
Only a couple of studies done to determine the effectiveness of red flag laws:
- A 2016 study published in the journal Law and Contemporary Problems analyzed data from the 762 gun removals under Connecticut's "risk warrant" law from October 1999 through June 2013 and determined that there was "one averted suicide for every ten to eleven gun seizure cases."
- The journal Psychiatric Services utilized CDC data from all suicides in all 50 states from 1981-2015 to "examine the effects of Connecticut and Indiana's risk-based firearm seizure law on state-level firearm suicide rates." The researchers concluded that "Indiana’s firearm seizure law was associated with a 7.5% reduction in firearm suicides in the ten years following its enactment, an effect specific to suicides with firearms and larger than that seen in any comparison state by chance alone. Enactment of Connecticut's law was associated with a 1.6% reduction in firearm suicides immediately after its passage and a 13.7% reduction in firearm suicides in the post–Virginia Tech period, when enforcement of the law substantially increased."
A media analysis for two counties in Florida analyzed the date from the red flag law act after the Parkland massacre of children.
The results of the study of the risk protection orders deemed legal and appropriate by a judge:
- In some cases, risk protection order subjects were threatening mass killings like the Parkland shooting that led to the law’s creation, according to law enforcement narratives describing the cases.
- More often they were threatening to kill themselves. In at least 37 of the 66 cases, the subject of the risk protection order had threatened or attempted suicide.
- In at least 12 of the 66 cases – or more than 1 in 6 – the risk protection order subjects were already barred from owning and buying guns because they were minors, felons or were under a restraining order.
- Southwest Florida law enforcement has used the new law to take guns away from dozens of people who have been deemed potentially dangerous, including students who threatened to gun down classmates and people who threatened to kill family members, neighbors and co-workers, according to law enforcement narratives describing the cases.
- More than half of the 66 cases were for people who had been detained under the Baker Act, which allows people in crisis to be held for up to three days for a mental health evaluation. If they are still a danger after three days and then committed to a mental health facility, they lose their gun rights.
So, red flag laws when a family member or other reports a gun owner is threatening his or another's life not only helps law enforcement identify and intervene early, but also picks up those who are mentally ill and those who not legally allowed to possess a gun. That's a few of the reasons 84% of gun-owning households and 86% of respondents who voted for President Trump in 2016 support red flag laws and the risk protection orders.
A recent poll shows this is a bipartisan issue, but a minority still fights these.
Eighty-nine percent of respondents strongly or somewhat favored Congress “pass[ing] a red flag law that lets family members or law enforcement ask a court to temporarily suspend a person’s access to guns when there are clear warning signs they pose a danger to themselves or others.”
That support included:
• 93% of Democrats, 85% of Independents, and 86% of Republicans;
• 84% of gun-owning households;
• 86% of respondents who voted for President Trump in 2016; and
• 95% of self-identified liberals, 91% of self-identified moderates, and 85% of self-identified conservatives.
• What’s more, no region -- northeast, south, midwest, or west -- or type of area -- urban, suburban, or small town/rural -- saw less than 88% support for Congress passing a Red Flag law.
In 2019, red-flag bills were also being considered in Ohio (Dayton), Pennsylvania, Michigan, North Carolina, Nebraska, and Kentucky. Sixty-two percent of gun deaths are suicides.
Only a couple of studies done to determine the effectiveness of red flag laws:
- A 2016 study published in the journal Law and Contemporary Problems analyzed data from the 762 gun removals under Connecticut's "risk warrant" law from October 1999 through June 2013 and determined that there was "one averted suicide for every ten to eleven gun seizure cases."
- The journal Psychiatric Services utilized CDC data from all suicides in all 50 states from 1981-2015 to "examine the effects of Connecticut and Indiana's risk-based firearm seizure law on state-level firearm suicide rates." The researchers concluded that "Indiana’s firearm seizure law was associated with a 7.5% reduction in firearm suicides in the ten years following its enactment, an effect specific to suicides with firearms and larger than that seen in any comparison state by chance alone. Enactment of Connecticut's law was associated with a 1.6% reduction in firearm suicides immediately after its passage and a 13.7% reduction in firearm suicides in the post–Virginia Tech period, when enforcement of the law substantially increased."
A media analysis for two counties in Florida analyzed the date from the red flag law act after the Parkland massacre of children.
The results of the study of the risk protection orders deemed legal and appropriate by a judge:
- In some cases, risk protection order subjects were threatening mass killings like the Parkland shooting that led to the law’s creation, according to law enforcement narratives describing the cases.
- More often they were threatening to kill themselves. In at least 37 of the 66 cases, the subject of the risk protection order had threatened or attempted suicide.
- In at least 12 of the 66 cases – or more than 1 in 6 – the risk protection order subjects were already barred from owning and buying guns because they were minors, felons or were under a restraining order.
- Southwest Florida law enforcement has used the new law to take guns away from dozens of people who have been deemed potentially dangerous, including students who threatened to gun down classmates and people who threatened to kill family members, neighbors and co-workers, according to law enforcement narratives describing the cases.
- More than half of the 66 cases were for people who had been detained under the Baker Act, which allows people in crisis to be held for up to three days for a mental health evaluation. If they are still a danger after three days and then committed to a mental health facility, they lose their gun rights.
So, red flag laws when a family member or other reports a gun owner is threatening his or another's life not only helps law enforcement identify and intervene early, but also picks up those who are mentally ill and those who not legally allowed to possess a gun. That's a few of the reasons 84% of gun-owning households and 86% of respondents who voted for President Trump in 2016 support red flag laws and the risk protection orders.
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Domed the dude on his first shot. What a savage.
Now Legacy and the gang will be very puzzled about how to approach this.
I have absolutely no problem with a state, which has high incidence of mass shootings and refuse to institute red flag laws, permitting their citizens arm themselves for their protection. Or am I running up against a stereotype held by the Righteous? That's what Jesus and the Catholic Church teach.
Salt Lake County’s mayor forces background checks on private gun show sales (Salt Lake Tribune)
Salt Lake Tribune-Hinckley Institute of Politics poll showed 68 percent of those surveyed saying they were fully or somewhat behind a red flag law and 26 percent opposed. Another study shows suicides accounted for 85 percent of the state’s firearm deaths from 2006 to 2015.
Of course, those gun buyers and sellers can step outside the city-owned SMG to avoid a federal background check for their purchases in spite of the over three-fourths of their state's citizens in favor of closing this loophole.
Salt Lake County’s mayor forces background checks on private gun show sales (Salt Lake Tribune)
Salt Lake Tribune-Hinckley Institute of Politics poll showed 68 percent of those surveyed saying they were fully or somewhat behind a red flag law and 26 percent opposed. Another study shows suicides accounted for 85 percent of the state’s firearm deaths from 2006 to 2015.
Of course, those gun buyers and sellers can step outside the city-owned SMG to avoid a federal background check for their purchases in spite of the over three-fourths of their state's citizens in favor of closing this loophole.
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This law is easily bypassed and that's one of many reasons it is pointless. It only serves to fine the gun owners and burden the honest. Lots of these laws as written make private transfers criminal. Even at the handing over your shotgun during a hunt level. Red flag laws that ignore due process should be deemed unconstitutional. Also, it's easy to run up the polls on red flags and universal background checks if you frame the question right.
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Is this really parody?
https://babylonbee.com/news/media-disappointed-to-learn-armed-citizen-stopped-mass-shooting
Media Disappointed To Learn Armed Citizen Stopped Mass Shooting
https://babylonbee.com/news/media-disappointed-to-learn-armed-citizen-stopped-mass-shooting
Media Disappointed To Learn Armed Citizen Stopped Mass Shooting
babylonbee.com? You just have to look at their site, see "About Us" and:
Another:
Trump: 'I Have Done More For Christianity Than Jesus'
Of course, this is being shared throughout the Internet with some gullibles taking it as truth.
https://babylonbee.com/news
The legislatures that compose red-flag laws include sufficient due process rights. They represent a meaningful precautionary step, which the public favors after too many mass shootings and suicides. They is not a burden the vast majority of law-abiding gun owners, who overwhelmingly favor them, and recognize they save lives and a common sense solution to threats to public health.
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He was kiddin', my man
Sadly, it's so close to the truth it's hard to believe it's satire.
Irish YJ
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He was kiddin', my man
Sadly, it's so close to the truth it's hard to believe it's satire.
LOL... bahahahaha
Can't believe Legacy bit on that one.
But yes, irony that it's not really satire....
Irish YJ
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Looks like they had 3 guys at minimum that were armed. The guy who shot him, the first guy who got shot, and another guy coming in from the right side of the stream. But yes, the guy how had the fatal shot was nails. The first guy that got shot was trying to grab his gun before the bad guy got him.
Crazy people shooting up churches and schools. Need more good guys with guns like the ones at this church.
Bishop2b5
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It's sad that our culture, morals, and mental health issues have gotten to a point where it's necessary for churches to have armed guards. My mom's church has at least 4 armed members at every service. Most are police officers or ex-military. They've never had any sort of incident, but they see the news and know that the nutjobs are out there. Better safe than sorry. Just a sad commentary on our society that such is necessary these days.
goldandblue
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Our church does as well.