All Things SkunkBear

[phork]

If anyone thinks a head coach that has gotten to 2 NFC championship games + a superbowl would not be in super high demand, if the 49ers let him go, you are nuts. There is nothing much more to say about the situation, but UM goes down in flames again. LOLz

 

[MNIrishman]

If anyone thinks a head coach that has gotten to 2 NFC championship games + a superbowl would not be in super high demand, if the 49ers let him go, you are nuts. There is nothing much more to say about the situation, but UM goes down in flames again. LOLz

Their options after Harbaugh, barring a miracle like Mullen leaving the SEC, do not look good at all.

 

[phork]

Their options after Harbaugh, barring a miracle like Mullen leaving the SEC, do not look good at all.

I firmly believe that Les Miles will be your next Michigan head coach.

 

[MNIrishman]

I firmly believe that Les Miles will be your next Michigan head coach.

I stand by what I said.

 

[MNIrishman]

The offer pisses me off now that I think about it. That's a legitimate fraction of the state's road budget, and now that I'm in this state I'm aware of how big a problem that is. It's like driving in what I imagine Fallujah to be. Too bad no state lawmaker is going to come in and put a cap on this lunacy.

 

[Irish YJ]

I firmly believe that Les Miles will be your next Michigan head coach.

you serious clark?

 

[ulukinatme]

Les would have to get the boot at LSU before he comes to Michigan.

 

[Irish#1]

But they don't because he has a juicy alternative in Michigan, that he can leave for at any time if the 49ers don't do something that works for him. The 49ers have almost know leverage AS LONG AS Michigan is a plausible option for Harbaugh. Having him under contract for another year is virtually worthless right now if they try to attempt something that Jim doesn't like.

As was said above, but I will reiterate. Harbaugh can bolt to CFB. He can't go to another NFL team unless the 49ers agree to do it, but CFB is another can of worms. Which is why Harbaugh holds all the cards. His safety net is to return to AnnArbor and be a saviour where he will be worshipped like no other.
I feel bad for the coach at UM if his name is not Harbaugh.

We're going top disagree on this. I completely understand what both of you are saying, but the 49'ers WILL get something for him before just letting him go which means they hold the cards. Would they sit on him for another year? Wouldn't surprise me as the issues started last year and they went into this year knowing it wasn't going to get better. I've had to deal with employment contracts before. Granted it wasn't an NFL coaches contract, but in each instance they were for different industries. The 49'ers will have their demands that they will want to get in return for his release. I would be shocked if Harbaugh could coach in college, the CFL or NFL without the 49'ers agreeing to it.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Shefty just basically said on Mike and Mike he doesn't believe the Harbaugh offer is legit.

IMO the Harbaugh offer story is not good from any angle unless it's legit and he accepts. If it's his camp putting it out, fake or real, it's a slap in the face to the university and he's using them as a pawn in the NFL. His Alma Mater. That's shity. If it is legit and they put it out, it's a really stupid move. If they don't land him every other prospect will have a number to work with and no way someone will willingly sign for considerably less.

 

[phork]

We're going top disagree on this. I completely understand what both of you are saying, but the 49'ers WILL get something for him before just letting him go which means they hold the cards. Would they sit on him for another year? Wouldn't surprise me as the issues started last year and they went into this year knowing it wasn't going to get better. I've had to deal with employment contracts before. Granted it wasn't an NFL coaches contract, but in each instance they were for different industries. The 49'ers will have their demands that they will want to get in return for his release. I would be shocked if Harbaugh could coach in college, the CFL or NFL without the 49'ers agreeing to it.

It'd just be like Saban bolting from Miami to Alabama. Harbaugh holds the cards because say he doesn't go to Michigan, he can "retire" for a year and then come back. THe 49ers have no leverage, so they better find a match that best suits their coach.

 

[koonja]

Shefty just basically said on Mike and Mike he doesn't believe the Harbaugh offer is legit.

IMO the Harbaugh offer story is not good from any angle unless it's legit and he accepts. If it's his camp putting it out, fake or real, it's a slap in the face to the university and he's using them as a pawn in the NFL. His Alma Mater. That's shity. If it is legit and they put it out, it's a really stupid move. If they don't land him every other prospect will have a number to work with and no way someone will willingly sign for considerably less.

As a fellow Michigan hater, I think you're making that sound more optimistic than it was. He said it was ironic that Michigan wouldn't put down the money for a private jet, or ipads for their players, but are about to offer Harbaugh that much money.

I didn't take Shefter's interview to say it's a joke. He said over and over he still thinks Harbaugh will end up in the NFL, but he's opening up his mind to the idea of him going to Michigan.

 

[Irish#1]

It'd just be like Saban bolting from Miami to Alabama. Harbaugh holds the cards because say he doesn't go to Michigan, he can "retire" for a year and then come back. THe 49ers have no leverage, so they better find a match that best suits their coach.

You're proving my point. If he has to sit out a year the 49'ers have the leverage. He wants to coach, not sit in front of the TV and watch infomercials for a year.

 

[phork]

You're proving my point. If he has to sit out a year the 49'ers have the leverage. He wants to coach, not sit in front of the TV and watch infomercials for a year.

Thats if there was no Michigan option. His worst case is that he heads to UM for 4 years.

 

[IrishLax]

Thats if there was no Michigan option. His worst case is that he heads to UM for 4 years.

Right, you've got to step things through logically to their conclusion, with the premise that he WILL NOT be in San Francisco next year. If there's a chance he returns to San Francisco, then everything is too convoluted.

Options for San Fran -- assuming they are set on no Harbaugh in 2015 -- are...
1. Fire him, pay a buyout. Worst case scenario.
2. Let him get hired by Michigan after refusing to trade him. No buyout. Not the worst, and I bet if they're pissed enough at Harbaugh this could end up being what happens. This is effectively a game of chicken.
3. Trade him to another franchise that Harbaugh doesn't want to go to but is willing to give the most compensation. Best case scenario for 49ers, Harbaugh probably quits and goes to Michigan... so doubtful a trade like this goes through, because Harbaugh would find a way to make it known that he DOESN'T want to go there to someone even if contact is difficult per rules.
4. Trade him to another franchise that Harbaugh DOES want to go to. Best case scenario for both parties. 49ers get compensation, Harbaugh ends up at desired destination.

The only thing that can get in the way of #4 is timing and egos... which are definitely in play here. The Michigan opening is critical to what happens with Harbaugh, and he gets all of his leverage towards #4 by the job being open. If it were to be filled, option #3 becomes more probable and the 49ers go back to having all the leverage -- right now they have none, because if he doesn't get what he wants he can sign with Michigan at any time. But right now things seem to be trending towards Harbaugh to Oakland, Chicago, or Miami as more probable destinations than Michigan.

 

[Irish#1]

Thats if there was no Michigan option. His worst case is that he heads to UM for 4 years.

Right, you've got to step things through logically to their conclusion, with the premise that he WILL NOT be in San Francisco next year. If there's a chance he returns to San Francisco, then everything is too convoluted.

Options for San Fran -- assuming they are set on no Harbaugh in 2015 -- are...
1. Fire him, pay a buyout. Worst case scenario.
2. Let him get hired by Michigan after refusing to trade him. No buyout. Not the worst, and I bet if they're pissed enough at Harbaugh this could end up being what happens. This is effectively a game of chicken.
3. Trade him to another franchise that Harbaugh doesn't want to go to but is willing to give the most compensation. Best case scenario for 49ers, Harbaugh probably quits and goes to Michigan... so doubtful a trade like this goes through, because Harbaugh would find a way to make it known that he DOESN'T want to go there to someone even if contact is difficult per rules.
4. Trade him to another franchise that Harbaugh DOES want to go to. Best case scenario for both parties. 49ers get compensation, Harbaugh ends up at desired destination.

The only thing that can get in the way of #4 is timing and egos... which are definitely in play here. The Michigan opening is critical to what happens with Harbaugh, and he gets all of his leverage towards #4 by the job being open. If it were to be filled, option #3 becomes more probable and the 49ers go back to having all the leverage -- right now they have none, because if he doesn't get what he wants he can sign with Michigan at any time. But right now things seem to be trending towards Harbaugh to Oakland, Chicago, or Miami as more probable destinations than Michigan.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I would be surprised if his contract allows him to leave for a college or CFL gig without the 49'ers permission. If this is true, then the 49'ers will want some type of compensation from scUM or any other school, which goes back to them holding the cards.

Now if they fire him, he should be able to go to Ann Arbor without their permission. A termination probably minimizes their payout to only the difference if he signs another contract that pays less than his current salary.

Update..........I just listened to an Adam Schefter interview and he did say that Harbaugh would have to compensate SF in order to leave for scUM. It would have to be compensation that SF is agreeable to. Now whether Harbaugh personally (not likely) or scUM pays the compensation is another matter, but he can't go without their permission.

 

[gkIrish]

I think there's a serious sibling rivalry between John and Jim. I don't see Jim giving up on winning a Super Bowl considering his brother already won one.

I could see Jim go to Michigan for 1-2 seasons just to be able to handpick his next NFL job

 

[phork]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I would be surprised if his contract allows him to leave for a college or CFL gig without the 49'ers permission. If this is true, then the 49'ers will want some type of compensation from scUM or any other school, which goes back to them holding the cards.

Now if they fire him, he should be able to go to Ann Arbor without their permission. A termination probably minimizes their payout to only the difference if he signs another contract that pays less than his current salary.

Update..........I just listened to an Adam Schefter interview and he did say that Harbaugh would have to compensate SF in order to leave for scUM. It would have to be compensation that SF is agreeable to. Now whether Harbaugh personally (not likely) or scUM pays the compensation is another matter, but he can't go without their permission.

Compensation would be UM buying his contract out.

 

[Irish#1]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I would be surprised if his contract allows him to leave for a college or CFL gig without the 49'ers permission. If this is true, then the 49'ers will want some type of compensation from scUM or any other school, which goes back to them holding the cards.

Now if they fire him, he should be able to go to Ann Arbor without their permission. A termination probably minimizes their payout to only the difference if he signs another contract that pays less than his current salary.

Update..........I just listened to an Adam Schefter interview and he did say that Harbaugh would have to compensate SF in order to leave for scUM. It would have to be compensation that SF is agreeable to. Now whether Harbaugh personally (not likely) or scUM pays the compensation is another matter, but he can't go without their permission.

Compensation would be UM buying his contract out.

That we agree upon.

 

[IrishLax]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I would be surprised if his contract allows him to leave for a college or CFL gig without the 49'ers permission. If this is true, then the 49'ers will want some type of compensation from scUM or any other school, which goes back to them holding the cards.

Terms of NFL contracts don't apply to college and vice versa. The only term that can is a buyout for early termination. Some buyouts go one way, others go both ways. It's assumed that whatever the buyout is on the remaining year of his contract for him leaving early would be negligible (or negotiated into) the truckload of money he'd get from Michigan... and therefor irrelevant.

Now if they fire him, he should be able to go to Ann Arbor without their permission. A termination probably minimizes their payout to only the difference if he signs another contract that pays less than his current salary.

Update..........I just listened to an Adam Schefter interview and he did say that Harbaugh would have to compensate SF in order to leave for scUM. It would have to be compensation that SF is agreeable to. Now whether Harbaugh personally (not likely) or scUM pays the compensation is another matter, but he can't go without their permission.

He can leave for Michigan whenever without their permission. There are no non-competes or non-contact terms as would apply in the NFL. If he left for Michigan, the compensation owed would be whatever the early termination buyout is on his current contract.

 

[phork]

MGoblog has every thread something about Harbaugh. The epic crater thats going to follow when he doesn't come is going to be delicious.

 

[NCND]

I hope they get him. Cfb imo, is better when Michigan is good.

 

[Huntr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>As I said on <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSports1">@FoxSports1</a> today, I was told by sources the reports on the $8M per offer by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash">#Michigan</a> to Jim Harbaugh are not accurate.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/545725238495805440">December 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Irish Insanity]

SIAP, but they did mention on SVP today that the Dolphins and UofM are bidding against themselves to a point. The main $ man for UofM owns the Dolphins.

 

[MNIrishman]

I hope they get him. Cfb imo, is better when Michigan is good.

Michigan is a showcase of things wrong with college football. I'm not sure how the sport is better with them being anything but an irrelevant crater in a state broken by their alumni.

 

[NCND]

Michigan is a showcase of things wrong with college football. I'm not sure how the sport is better with them being anything but an irrelevant crater in a state broken by their alumni.

C'mon man I don't care about all that other shit. They are a traditional team that I grew up watching and IMO cfb would be better with them succeeding.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

I hope they get him. Cfb imo, is better when Michigan is good.

no no no.

the correct statement is that CFB is better when Notre Dame is good.

 

[MNIrishman]

C'mon man I don't care about all that other shit. They are a traditional team that I grew up watching and IMO cfb would be better with them succeeding.

Shit like keeping rapists on the team until their eligibility expires? How about an attitude towards concussions so cavalier that the B1G changed conference rules just to protect athletes from Michigan athletics? None of that matters to your opinion of whether or not college football would be improved by Michigan's resurgence? There's a good chance that they'll be down for a while longer. It should stay that way.

 

[phork]

Now that UM no longer plays us I hope they snag Harbaugh and roll Urban and then take Saban to the woodshed. I'm all about Northern Pride and will cheer Northern teams to beat SEC etc all day long.

 

[OCIrish]

Now that UM no longer plays us I hope they snag Harbaugh and roll Urban and then take Saban to the woodshed. I'm all about Northern Pride and will cheer Northern teams to beat SEC etc all day long.

Well said, Phork.....well said

 

[MNIrishman]

Now that UM no longer plays us I hope they snag Harbaugh and roll Urban and then take Saban to the woodshed. I'm all about Northern Pride and will cheer Northern teams to beat SEC etc all day long.

My great conflict is that I feel the same way you do, only I'm not sure if I hate scUM or the SEC more.