All Things SCOTUS

[Irish YJ]

So protesters are camped out at both Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham's houses.


Perhaps they should give these folks a call.

 

[Irish YJ]

Trump met with potential SCOTUS nominee Amy Coney Barrett
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-met-with-potential-scotus-nominee-amy-coney-barrett

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[NorthDakota]

Grassley and Gardner both say let's roll.

Mitch has the votes. Dems radicalized the GOP with their antics during Kavanaugh.

 

[TorontoGold]

So protesters are camped out at both Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham's houses.


Perhaps they should give these folks a call.

Wonder if Rand Paul's neighbour has already been picked up by the FBI

 

[NorthDakota]

Wonder if Rand Paul's neighbour has already been picked up by the FBI

When speaking of American politics... I'll nicely ask you to please use American spellings for words....neighbor, for example.

 

[Irish YJ]

Wonder if Rand Paul's neighbour has already been picked up by the FBI

I thought they tacked on more months, so think he's still in jail?

When speaking of American politics... I'll nicely ask you to please use American spellings for words....neighbor, for example.

Since we have no effective northern border wall here on IE, I think it's only fair to set downs some rules and regs for the undocumented Canadians that come here. At least the liberal ones.

Grassley and Gardner both say let's roll.

Mitch has the votes. Dems radicalized the GOP with their antics during Kavanaugh.

Mitch

 

[ACamp1900]

So protesters are camped out at both Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham's houses.

Good for them. Someone has to stand up to the intolerance, fear and intimidation................

 

[NorthDakota]

Good for them. Someone has to stand up to the intolerance, fear and intimidation................

I'm now seeing proposals by the media...if the GOP doesn't appoint a judge. Dems promise not to expand the court for at least ten years... oh and they'll keep the filibuster too. Lol

This isn't a negotiation. It's always fun to watch people go through the stages of grief in real time. I should probably go to confession for enjoying the misery of others.... but the German in me can't help it.

 

[Irish YJ]

Good for them. Someone has to stand up to the intolerance, fear and intimidation................

I know, right. People are going to die if a pro-life SCOTUS is confirmed.

Oh, wait..

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm now seeing proposals by the media...if the GOP doesn't appoint a judge. Dems promise not to expand the court for at least ten years... oh and they'll keep the filibuster too. Lol

This isn't a negotiation. It's always fun to watch people go through the stages of grief in real time. I should probably go to confession for enjoying the misery of others.... but the German in me can't help it.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I was at first very apprehensive about filling the seat and thought that we should wait. But that would be absolute lunacy to go into an election that could potentially be filled with voter fraud from either side of the aisle without a fully stocked supreme court. The Dems have been clamoring to pack the judiciary even before RBG's passing. They were willing to spread disgusting falsehoods about Justice Kavanaugh on a seat that didn't even tip the ideological balance of the court. The left deserves everything coming to them in regards to the judiciary. It would be foolish to not capitalize on the power that the Republicans have currently before the election

 

[NDVirginia19]

Female - I may be reading into Trump's personality, but I don't think he values females as co-equals. (or equals if my grammar has failed me)

If there's anything that Trump values, it's loyalty first and then competency second. He hired the first woman to manage the construction of a skyscraper in NYC IIRC.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I was at first very apprehensive about filling the seat and thought that we should wait. But that would be absolute lunacy to go into an election that could potentially be filled with voter fraud from either side of the aisle without a fully stocked supreme court. The Dems have been clamoring to pack the judiciary even before RBG's passing. They were willing to spread disgusting falsehoods about Justice Kavanaugh on a seat that didn't even tip the ideological balance of the court. The left deserves everything coming to them in regards to the judiciary. It would be foolish to not capitalize on the power that the Republicans have currently before the election

Yes, I'm wondering what would happen if the seat goes unfilled, election is contested and sent to the Supreme Court which yields a 4-4 split vote. What happens then?

 

[drayer54]

So protesters are camped out at both Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham's houses.


Perhaps they should give these folks a call.

I bought the pink polo for Halloween. It’s go time.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Yes, I'm wondering what would happen if the seat goes unfilled, election is contested and sent to the Supreme Court which yields a 4-4 split vote. What happens then?

Probably whatever the lower court's decision would stand. At least I think. Let's pray it doesn't come to that

 

[Irish YJ]

Yes, I'm wondering what would happen if the seat goes unfilled, election is contested and sent to the Supreme Court which yields a 4-4 split vote. What happens then?

Kav would get picked up for a DUI in NYC and mysteriously hang himself in the drunk tank.

If there's anything that Trump values, it's loyalty first and then competency second. He hired the first woman to manage the construction of a skyscraper in NYC IIRC.

Trump my be a disgusting poon hound type of dude, but he's about business. If a female can deliver as good or better, he doesn't care.

The funny thing, is Dems have went out of their way to make "loyalty" a bad thing. Every politician, every business owner, every leader, ... wants and demands it. And in business, you might give an incompetent person another chance, but a disloyal one is booted quickly.

I was at first very apprehensive about filling the seat and thought that we should wait. But that would be absolute lunacy to go into an election that could potentially be filled with voter fraud from either side of the aisle without a fully stocked supreme court. The Dems have been clamoring to pack the judiciary even before RBG's passing. They were willing to spread disgusting falsehoods about Justice Kavanaugh on a seat that didn't even tip the ideological balance of the court. The left deserves everything coming to them in regards to the judiciary. It would be foolish to not capitalize on the power that the Republicans have currently before the election

Who's worse

A. A Dem who was adamant that a pres had the right to name SCOTUS in his last year without a majority in the Senate, and then changes his tune and is adamant that Rep pres can't.

OR

B. A Rep who used the existing system rules to stop the Dem pres with a Rep majority Senate, and then used the existing rules to help a Rep pres do the exact opposite.

The answer is:

C. Neither is worse. They're politicians. They all lie, they are all opportunist, and they all change their tune when needed to suit their narrative. If Dems were so religious about Obama and Garland, they wouldn't change their tune. They're only changing their tune because they lost, and they don't want to lose again. And the they'd do the exact same thing given the opportunity.


Just my opinion, but you don't pass up chance to insert a SCOTUS. It's the biggest reason I voted for the fool, and I'm sure the biggest a lot of people voted for him. He may be gone come January, but the SCOTUS's he picked will be there for 25+ years.

The whole "fair" conversation cracks me up. Fair is where you get cotton candy. Not DC. The Dems screwed themselves when they changed the rules and went with the nuclear option. It's came back to haunt them. If they go pack the court or other stupid stuff, that too will come back to haunt them.

 

[Irish YJ]

I bought the pink polo for Halloween. It’s go time.

Did your wife get the prison stripes? That would be beautiful

 

[NorthDakota]

Don Lemon pitched a fit tonight claiming if Biden wins...we will need to get rid of the Electoral College because it's not fair that a minority of the country can confirm judges.

Chris Cuomo was like "umm you need 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the States so...that's not going to just happen if Biden wins" and it wasn't sinking in for Lemon.

As long as a whopping 13 states don't want things changed and/or the GOP has 1/3 +1 in either chamber of Congress...we are all set lol

 

[Irish YJ]

Trump to name Supreme Court nominee by Saturday

Trump said he will announce his Supreme Court pick by the end of the week, moving quickly to fill the seat of liberal icon Ruth Bader Ginsburg and cement a 6-3 conservative majority ahead of his re-election bid. Republican senators Chuck Grassley and Cory Gardner both signaled they support moving forward with Trump's pick.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...opes-of-blocking-nomination-dim-idUSKCN26C1UE



Graham claims Senate GOP has votes to confirm new SCOTUS justice before Election Day

"We've got the votes to confirm Justice Ginsburg's replacement before the election. We're going to move forward in the committee, we're going to report the nomination out of the committee to the floor of the United States Senate so we can vote before the election. Now, that's the constitutional process."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/graham-senate-gop-votes-confirm-scotus-nominee

 

[Irish#1]

Wife and I took a little four day weekend, but when we saw the news about RBG on the news, my first thought was IE exploding. lol

I'm all for filling it asap and getting a conservative on board, but you have to admit that it's nothing but politics when four years ago McConnell made sure the seat wasn't filled until after the election, but now wants to fill asap before the election. Sorry Mitch, it's not really different this time.

 

[IrishLax]

Don Lemon pitched a fit tonight claiming if Biden wins...we will need to get rid of the Electoral College because it's not fair that a minority of the country can confirm judges.

Chris Cuomo was like "umm you need 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the States so...that's not going to just happen if Biden wins" and it wasn't sinking in for Lemon.

As long as a whopping 13 states don't want things changed and/or the GOP has 1/3 +1 in either chamber of Congress...we are all set lol

Right now, you basically don't have to campaign in 36 states. That's a pretty flawed system, regardless of who it helps. It's also one of the primary factors in why vote turnout is so low in the United States compared to some other countries. I don't like the idea of popular vote, because it has its own flaws. But I think that what Maine and Nebraska do for assigning their electoral votes is smart and I hope more states adopt that model.

 

[IrishLax]

Yes, I'm wondering what would happen if the seat goes unfilled, election is contested and sent to the Supreme Court which yields a 4-4 split vote. What happens then?

The lower court decision stands.

It's worth remembering that Bush vs Gore had an 8 person court and no one was freaking out about it going into the election. The main reason for consternation this time around seems to be "voter fraud" (unlikely to have a major impact, short of a few vulnerable non-paper states getting hacked which would be crazy) and "disputed ballots" (likely to have a huge impact).

We're already seeing 5% of absentee ballots from black voters in North Carolina getting rejected because they're "spoiled" or not completed correctly in some way. A ballot getting spoiled can mean anything from it literally being tampered with to the mailman spilling coffee on it. All of these factors are outside the control of the person filling out the ballot.

Pennsylvania had MAJOR issues during the primary, and has a lot of archaic rules about "secrecy" envelopes and other stuff that is likely to lead to hundreds of thousands of disputed ballots. Pennsylvania also doesn't allow for any counting or canvassing prior to election day. Nationwide, you can probably expect a couple million disputed ballots, and it's likely that they make the difference in every state polling within 2%.

The entire strategy of winning this election right now depends on either:
1) Trump pulling upsets in multiple states where he has trailed by more than the margin of error for months. The odds are squarely against this, short of massive upheaval in the last month of the race.
2) Contesting the results in Florida, Pennsylvania, and a handful of other states with tight vote margins and getting the courts to rule in your favor.

Donald Trump has already said that he intends to declare victory on election night before all the mail-in votes are counted and go to #2 if necessary. So yeah, this seat might end up mattering quite a bit.

 

[NorthDakota]

Right now, you basically don't have to campaign in 36 states. That's a pretty flawed system, regardless of who it helps. It's also one of the primary factors in why vote turnout is so low in the United States compared to some other countries. I don't like the idea of popular vote, because it has its own flaws. But I think that what Maine and Nebraska do for assigning their electoral votes is smart and I hope more states adopt that model.

I'm fine with the limited campaign states for a couple reasons.

1.) Consent of the governed type thinking.

We already know how many states are going to vote, and thats fine. It's not that those states don't matter, we just have that already sorted out.

2.) Swing States

GOP knows they need to appeal to small city and suburban folks and Dems know they gotta come up with stuff that will appeal to people that don't live in a metropolis.

I think all the swing states have a pretty pretty decent mix of rural and urban populations, and since they are scattered throughout the country, could maybe make some argument that they are really a pretty good sample of the country as a whole.

NE/ME Model seems fine to me. If states want to do that, curious how many elections would have had different results under that allocation. Maybe there is into somewhere.

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My statement regarding the current Supreme Court vacancy: <a href="https://t.co/6YO0dPWWXc">pic.twitter.com/6YO0dPWWXc</a></p>— Senator Mitt Romney (@SenatorRomney) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney/status/1308403638897958914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Amy Coney Barrett is now a stone cold lock if Trump is smart enough to nominate her.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm fine with the limited campaign states for a couple reasons.

1.) Consent of the governed type thinking.

We already know how many states are going to vote, and thats fine. It's not that those states don't matter, we just have that already sorted out.

2.) Swing States

GOP knows they need to appeal to small city and suburban folks and Dems know they gotta come up with stuff that will appeal to people that don't live in a metropolis.

I think all the swing states have a pretty pretty decent mix of rural and urban populations, and since they are scattered throughout the country, could maybe make some argument that they are really a pretty good sample of the country as a whole.

NE/ME Model seems fine to me. If states want to do that, curious how many elections would have had different results under that allocation. Maybe there is into somewhere.

The other thing is that allocation in the NE/ME is much more inclined to help 3rd party and Independent candidates have a fighting chance. There are a lot of improvements I'd like to see to American voting systems, chief of which is ranked choice voting, but the easiest one to get done is to actually make electoral college delegates responsive to people in their "district" so that huge swaths of society don't just get pushed to the margins. Right now if you are a farmer in California literally no one gives a shit about you; you have no power to change anything on the federal level; and you will never have say in policy that affects you short of a state delegate or congressional rep. And there are dozens of examples of people in similar situations.

 

[Legacy]

The lower court decision stands.

It's worth remembering that Bush vs Gore had an 8 person court and no one was freaking out about it going into the election. The main reason for consternation this time around seems to be "voter fraud" (unlikely to have a major impact, short of a few vulnerable non-paper states getting hacked which would be crazy) and "disputed ballots" (likely to have a huge impact).

We're already seeing 5% of absentee ballots from black voters in North Carolina getting rejected because they're "spoiled" or not completed correctly in some way. A ballot getting spoiled can mean anything from it literally being tampered with to the mailman spilling coffee on it. All of these factors are outside the control of the person filling out the ballot.

Pennsylvania had MAJOR issues during the primary, and has a lot of archaic rules about "secrecy" envelopes and other stuff that is likely to lead to hundreds of thousands of disputed ballots. Pennsylvania also doesn't allow for any counting or canvassing prior to election day. Nationwide, you can probably expect a couple million disputed ballots, and it's likely that they make the difference in every state polling within 2%.

The entire strategy of winning this election right now depends on either:
1) Trump pulling upsets in multiple states where he has trailed by more than the margin of error for months. The odds are squarely against this, short of massive upheaval in the last month of the race.
2) Contesting the results in Florida, Pennsylvania, and a handful of other states with tight vote margins and getting the courts to rule in your favor.

Donald Trump has already said that he intends to declare victory on election night before all the mail-in votes are counted and go to #2 if necessary. So yeah, this seat might end up mattering quite a bit.

By May, the election lawsuits and the money spent had reached unprecedented amounts. Both sides are building up warchests as well as filing lawsuits, though the majority are by Republicans. So far there've been almost 250 lawsuits. Getting donations of smaller amounts from individual voters depends on raising the level of outrage and antipathy, attributing (as noted in the 2020 thread) socialism to the Democrats, that your vote will be stolen and your American way of life and those of your children and grandchildren will be altered forever. Christianity and its values and the American Dream teeter on a precipice.

Elections are still controlled by the state with Bush v Gore coming down to rulings by the Florida Supreme Court, then jumping to SCOTUS to stop a recount. James Baker, Roger Stone and Ted Cruz were principles for Bush. Gore v Bush Florida recount lasted into December. In 2020, the lawyers in each battleground state have been chosen. More money is needed for that phalanx built on that dystopian vision.

All in a fall season that will combine the impacts of both Covid and influenza. What a waste.

 

[NorthDakota]

The Anti-Catholic bigots have started to come out of the woodwork. Lovely.

I wish Catholics were half as cool as the haters made us out to be. Knights of Columbus, Opus Dei, some international Papist conspiracy network just waiting to execute order 66.

Instead all we get is powerhouse metro high school athletics and some slightly above average breakfast food after Mass like twice a year.

 

[drayer54]

The Anti-Catholic bigots have started to come out of the woodwork. Lovely.

I wish Catholics were half as cool as the haters made us out to be. Knights of Columbus, Opus Dei, some international Papist conspiracy network just waiting to execute order 66.

Instead all we get is powerhouse metro high school athletics and some slightly above average breakfast food after Mass like twice a year.

Even the objective media has shown up. Reuters usually get passed off as a fair source too!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">spot the difference. <a href="https://t.co/VglkcYBwOT">pic.twitter.com/VglkcYBwOT</a></p>— Logan Hall (@loganclarkhall) <a href="https://twitter.com/loganclarkhall/status/1308493950542544896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[IrishLax]

The Anti-Catholic bigots have started to come out of the woodwork. Lovely.

I wish Catholics were half as cool as the haters made us out to be. Knights of Columbus, Opus Dei, some international Papist conspiracy network just waiting to execute order 66.

Instead all we get is powerhouse metro high school athletics and some slightly above average breakfast food after Mass like twice a year.

As a proud coach in the WCAC -- where we pump out 5-stars than Bama -- I'll take what I can get.

 

[Henges24]

Even the objective media has shown up. Reuters usually get passed off as a fair source too!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">spot the difference. <a href="https://t.co/VglkcYBwOT">pic.twitter.com/VglkcYBwOT</a></p>— Logan Hall (@loganclarkhall) <a href="https://twitter.com/loganclarkhall/status/1308493950542544896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Reuters has been left leaning for the past year, IMO. It's sad to see a once truly balanced media option turn to take a side.

It is still one of my first news sources I look to, but once they start swaying your opinion in print, I have to move on.