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Also to note is that one of Bama's D, I think Quincy, will likely be suspended for the NC due to helmet to helmet hit.

Not a chance in the world. The NCAA will once again show us how they don't have a pair when it comes to big programs when they are doing well.

I do also fear for Golson's safety in this game. This is not their first cheap shot on a QB and when the Championship is on the line I could see them trying to knock him out to gain an advantage.
 
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I think it's the same story all year for ND: if the Irish can run and stop the run, they give themselves a good shot to win.


You are correct. Those two are alot alike. Bama bigger on the o-line. Irish bigger on the d-line. I was really impressed with Alabama's run game. Not sure why you pass like they did against A&M so close to the goal line with those beasts up front and those bruising backs. Same for the pass at the end of the first half against Ga.
 

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My thoughts on ND to win from watching yesterdays SEC championship.

Defensively:
Control line of scrimmage (obviously)

Keep the ND DL fresh by substitutions. The first teamers will take a beating. Thankfully Kona, Springmann, Day, and Williams have been doing good work.

Dont bite too hard on the PA or screens.

No arm tackling nonsense. Got to hit em hard, wrap up and gang tackle because Lacy is a load. Too bad Robert Hughes is out of eligibility because he would be a really good scout team stand in for Lacy.

Keep everything in front of you just like how ND played against USC and OK.

I have a feeling that Bama will try to do what they did in last years BCS championship and that would be to pass early and often. Then switch to the running game to break the will of the defense.

Offensively:
Protect Golson (obviously)

OL needs keep the pressure off Golson so he doesn't get happy feet in the pocket.

Got to score TDs

Test Bamas pass defense by going deep.

Use Bamas defensive aggressiveness against them.

Hold on to the football. They will try to strip and create turnovers.

They are fast on the edges so it is important to get effective runs between the tackles.

The team that will win Jan 7th will have to be the more physical.
 

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I think it's the same story all year for ND: if the Irish can run and stop the run, they give themselves a good shot to win.

Exactly. There's 2 factors

1) Who wins the line of scrimmage

2) How Golson performs

Having Manti dissolves a lot of the other variables that most every other team in the country would face. Having done it all year, Manti anchoring the defense shores up a lot of the big yardage plays, like broken tackles gone for 25 yards, the garbage short passes for big gains etc that doomed Georgia in the SEC title game.

The way that ND has won, particularly against their best, toughest, most talented opponents (Stanford, MSU when they were #10, Oklahoma, USC) is by wearing down and dominating their opponents in the 4th quarter. The way these guys are conditioned you almost wonder what Longo has them on. The big goal line stands, the pound and ground to close out games are all the result of both D and O lines superior conditioning, strength and heart.

In the Georgia game you can see how Bama wore down the Georgia front. When it comes to the skill and speed positions Alabama has a clear advantage over ND. But how about the line? Strength unlike speed can be developed. Heart can't be measured. Despite what many who have not watched ND are assuming, it's an open question about which team will win this epic battle. Whoever wins this in the 4th quarter will probably win this game.

Second, Golson is a big ? This kid has heart bigger than his 5'10 (legit) frame but honestly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He is a competitor though and has incredible self confidence. Honestly against USC and Oklahoma it almost seemed like he literally didn't know enough to be intimidated. If he can carry that same cocksuredness into the National Title game it will go a long way to help the Irish. As long as he keeps moving, his mobility and improvisation to break down planned defensive schemes will be frustrating for a Bama defense for whom those in-game adjustments by its defense isn't a strength.

On the flip side Saban is a genius at making adjustments before bowl games. Kelly, whom I consider a motivator without parallel in college football for the underachievers/underappreciated... to this point has largely proved his coaching bones for the grind of the regular season, he's a relative noob in terms of winning big bowl games. The largest secondary factor is what kind of fronts and traps Saban shows to Golson and whether Golson will bite, or whether those broken plays actually turn into a Parthian gambit for Alabama.

As for experience. It's a real asset but IMO Bama's advantage in experience is a wash with ND's heart, sense of destiny and the mere presence of Te'o on the field. They're BUILT to be underestimated and go into big games and play with no fear just determination. They've done it repeatedly this year. There's no reason to think that they will not be able to, when they've hit so many emotional highs with composure to this point.

As for the SEC stuff, that's mainly only annoying to people in the South whose teams have to play the conference all year. To Domers and most of the rest of the country it's not a big deal at all.
 

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The Bad:

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That gets uglier every time I see it. No suspension coming though, don't want it anyways. EG will be fine if he doesn't try to be a hero until the second half.
 

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What was the problem with that hit?

Are QBs totally untouchable now? Stams did that to Rodney Peete during the exact same situation in 1988. Have they changed that rule now?

I don't see what is so dirty about it, honestly. Maybe I am just too old-school when I think about football.
 
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What was the problem with that hit?

Are QBs totally untouchable now? Stams did that to Rodney Peete during the exact same situation in 1988. Have they changed that rule now?

I don't see what is so dirty about it, honestly. Maybe I am just too old-school when I think about football.

Helmet to helmet
 

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What was the problem with that hit?

Are QBs totally untouchable now? Stams did that to Rodney Peete during the exact same situation in 1988. Have they changed that rule now?

I don't see what is so dirty about it, honestly. Maybe I am just too old-school when I think about football.

There are two problems with this hit. The first is that it is helmet to helmet on a defenseless player. The second is that it is unnecessary since it is on a player who is not attempting to enter the play (or something like that).

If you want to get a mad about a hit, this was called a penalty and it brought back a td. The blocker put a shoulder into the chest of a guy who had a shot at making the play, smh.

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What was the problem with that hit?

Are QBs totally untouchable now? Stams did that to Rodney Peete during the exact same situation in 1988. Have they changed that rule now?

I don't see what is so dirty about it, honestly. Maybe I am just too old-school when I think about football.

LOL. Yea they've changed a lot of rules regarding the hitting of QBs and other helmet to helmet contact on defenseless players. That was dirty. It was nothing more than getting a cheap shot on the QB during an interception return. You want to block him block him, but it was just a chance to lay him out.
 

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Helmet to helmet

Jeez, just keep your head up.

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Same thing happened to Rodney Peete.

And if you look closely at the Tide player his is NOT leading with his head, but his shoulder. That was no more dirty than Stams' hit against Peete during the same type of play.

So if he is suspended, I would be surprised because if you look at it in real time it looks vicious but it was not dirty...at least passed on that GIF. Certainly no different than Stams getting in a free cheap shot against Peete on Smagala's INT RET for a TD.
 
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Bama looked quite similar to ND from what I saw. They looked to wear down the D line of Georgia in the second half in the same way we have done that to opponents all year. However (or as Corso puts it, "Not so fast..."), our D line is in much better condition than Georgia's and much more athletic. If Bama comes out in the 3rd and tries to push us around, I think they are going to be in for a surprise.

Also, someone said it earlier, where were Georgia's LB's. Bama is going to find it tough just to get to the second level and when they do, I think our LB's will be up to the task.

I am getting really excited for this game. I think it could be a slugfest and might even turn out to be one for the ages.

If ND can play sound, stout football on both lines and take care of the football, they will stay in this game and keep it close. We can't afford to put ourselves in a hole with penalties or turnovers.
 

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Bama looked quite similar to ND from what I saw. They looked to wear down the D line of Georgia in the second half in the same way we have done that to opponents all year. However (or as Corso puts it, "Not so fast..."), our D line is in much better condition than Georgia's and much more athletic. If Bama comes out in the 3rd and tries to push us around, I think they are going to be in for a surprise.

Also, someone said it earlier, where were Georgia's LB's. Bama is going to find it tough just to get to the second level and when they do, I think our LB's will be up to the task.

I am getting really excited for this game. I think it could be a slugfest and might even turn out to be one for the ages.

If ND can play sound, stout football on both lines and take care of the football, they will stay in this game and keep it close. We can't afford to put ourselves in a hole with penalties or turnovers.

Something overlooked by alabama, IMO, is alabama has not dealt with a TE/QB combo like they will against ND. alabama will need two LB spies, one on Eifert and one on Golson, should open up the running game rather well as long as you say, the OL plays tight and stout. But again, this game will negate the whole season's stats and who's better at what position, I believe this game will be a little more on both coaching staffs.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!

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My humble opinion is that ND should have the edge in mental toughness. The Irish should enter the game with a chip on their shoulder, in a good way. Notre Dame started the season unranked, played several games as underdogs, finished undefeated and ranked #1. Alabama, on the other hand, was on cruise control as #1. They got a scare thrown in to them versus LSU, then got knocked down a peg by A&M. And their win against Georgia yesterday was far from dominating.

Alabama's a really good team and our boys are going to have a hell of a battle on their hands. But the Irish are 12-0 and #1 while Alabama has already faltered this season. So Tide fans should be more than a little nervous about what they are getting into. 'Bama hasn't even beaten everyone they were supposed to, while the Irish have beaten all comers. I can't wait until Jan 7th.
 
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Jeez, just keep your head up.

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Same thing happened to Rodney Peete.

And if you look closely at the Tide player his is NOT leading with his head, but his shoulder. That was no more dirty than Stams' hit against Peete during the same type of play.

So if he is suspended, I would be surprised because if you look at it in real time it looks vicious but it was not dirty...at least passed on that GIF. Certainly no different than Stams getting in a free cheap shot against Peete on Smagala's INT RET for a TD.

You keep referencing the past when you can't in this situation anymore. Dick 'Nighttrain' Lane used to clothesline people to talk them. Wasn't a penalty then but doesn't make it any less dirty.

Even old school football, that is a dirty hit. Unnecessary for many reasons. Just because a flag isn't thrown doesn't make it any less.
 
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Also to note is that one of Bama's D, I think Quincy, will likely be suspended for the NC due to helmet to helmet hit.

When one of the announcers suggested this may happen, I burst out in unstoppable laughter.
This will not happen because its up to the SEC to suspend him. If Bama was playing Savannah State next week, then yes, he would be suspended. He won't be for the NC game. This is how the South does things.
 

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Lol! LSU, aTm, Florida, Georgia, and a healthy South Carolina team could beat ND. Bama wins by 2 scores.

oh goodie it's the troll from ESPN.com come to get on our nerves. Mods ban now, it will just save time.
 
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Lol! LSU, aTm, Florida, Georgia, and a healthy South Carolina team could beat ND. Bama wins by 2 scores.

You're reasoning? Need something with a bit more substance junior.

Oh that's right..I forgot because playing Western Carolina, Western Kentucky, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida Atlantic, and Tennessee are so tough. How quick 'Bama fans point out that ND hasn't played anybody yet ND has a better SOS. Gee, wonder why.

S-E-C football..ya gotta cheat to survive.
 

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You're reasoning? Need something with a bit more substance junior.

Oh that's right..I forgot because playing Western Carolina, Western Kentucky, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida Atlantic, and Tennessee are so tough. How quick 'Bama fans point out that ND hasn't played anybody yet ND has a better SOS. Gee, wonder why.

S-E-C football..ya gotta cheat to survive.

don't bother reasoning or responding. He's a Troll with a capital T.
 

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Second, Golson is a big ? This kid has heart bigger than his 5'10 (legit) frame but honestly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Based on what? His accomplishments as a QB, point guard, pianist or drummer?
 

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Make me a mod so I can ban these ****ers with a quickness. All of them haven't been bad, I recall one guy producing some productive dialogue, but the vast majority of the SEC posters are living up to their ignorant reputations.
 
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Our QB is in the same mold as the QB who beat your team.

ND has yet to be beat.

LSU, A&M, and Georgia took Bama to the wire.

Nobody around here is afraid of Bama or in awe of the SEC... Looking forward to Jan 7th
 
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I Don't think your QB matches up well against an SEC defense. All due respect to the ND defensive front seven they are SEC elite and one of the best in the country but the game of football is about mismatches. If you force a good defense to stack the box or to be spread out in coverage and you have a QB that can take what is given then you can win the game.

USC, Pitt, and Stanford all took ND to the wire. I like Stanford but there are about 5 teams better than them in the SEC this year. Any of those teams could beat ND as I said, would they IDK, ND is a good team, but in no way do they scare me.

NS with 30 days, man it's going to be a great game.

Wasn't the same thing said about Manziel? Now, in truth, Manziel struggled in the 3 biggest SEC games so I could see that argument however, Golson, like Manziel, has the legs to move around and the arm strength to make the throws.


Definitely is a part of it and where do you see the mis-matches? Curious as to how many 3-4 defenses has 'Bama faced this season?

That's the thing about ND though. They don't stack the box nor do they spread out in coverage. They have been stopping the run all year with a simplistic approach. They also don't blitz much. They will give you the underneath throws all day. They have been doing it all year. They will give the underneath and protect the over the top type plays.
 
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Johnny Football has no mold. Watch him play, how many yards does he have. It is assinine to try to compare your guy to JF. Maybe you can compare him to D. Rob. I think aTm has a better o-line than ND also. Bama would probably be in trouble if they take a bunch of shots at Nick Perry, but given the ND scheme and QB I think we're ok.

Agreed.on the rest.

Wrong because EG has a much better arm then DRob. That might be underselling it too.

Debatable. How much was JM running around in order to save his own life; break downs in the OL protection? Look at the running stats that don't include JM or EG. ND was better, not to mention they gave up fewer sacks then A&M.
 
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I'll take that against Bama's balance and ability to spread the ball around. The underneath throws work best with the PA and run game. We thought we'd have to burn a RS off of Chris Black to keep the UGA D honest, but Amari did a great job. The teams that have done the best jobs against us have crowded the LOS. We did not take enough deep throws against aTm early and that is why we lost. When we finally did throw deep it opened up the game.

Going back through the season, ND got lucky in the Miami game with the early deep balls. For the most part, they have held their own quite well for having two inexperienced CBs and a very young safety tandem outside of Zeke Motta. Inexperience isn't an excuse anymore and other then a 54 yard deep throw to Marquise Lee late in the USC game, I can't think of another successful deep throw off the top of my head.

ND does a great job against the play action because they can stuff the run without stacking the box.
 

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Golson may be a smaller guy but he will have the strongest arm that bama has faced all year with maybe the exception of bray. Golson has a rocket and can fit it in tight windows. If you think golson is just a running qb you are in trouble. He's a qb that can just happen to run.
 

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Bama troll on ESPN told me how Rees is going to have a long day bc he doesn't have the mobility to escape pressure from the superior Bama D. I think that tells you all you need to know about how much they actually know about us.
 

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Bama troll on ESPN told me how Rees is going to have a long day bc he doesn't have the mobility to escape pressure from the superior Bama D. I think that tells you all you need to know about how much they actually know about us.

He at least mentioned that Coach Willingham's gameplan for Rees will revolve around avoiding situations where he has to run, and can hand off to Elmer Layden if needed. Reggie Ho's accuracy is also a concern according to Bama fans.

Rumors also are swirling that Eddie Lacy recently made a blue duck in art class, and is in line to receive the "Rolondo McClain Scholar Athlete Award," presented by BALCO.
 
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