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I am completely shocked by this. Given how everything was playing out I was 99% sure he was announcing a return today.

It sure seemed that way.

I had heard, that a lot of the eligible guys were considering returning. I wonder how this will affect their decisions?

I wonder how his recuperation is coming? He'll need to convince a lot of GM's he'll be 100% in the not to distant future.
 

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Would’ve been silly to return. Very likely to only hurt his draft stock. As long as his health checks out, he should still be a fairly high pick (although I wouldn’t risk taking him)
 

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So how many Bama dudes are going pro? Didn’t someone here claim they’d have a third of the first round picks in the draft......

Alabama players who have declared their intentions to enter the draft or who've run out of eligibility.


Early Entrants (6)
Tua
Jerry Jeudy - first WR off the board
Jedrick Wills - ROT
Xavier McKinney - S
Terrell Lewis, LB
Henry Ruggs, WR

Graduating without eligibility left (6)
Raewkon Davis, LB
Trevon Diggs, CB
Shyheim Carter, CB
Jared Mayden, S
Anfernee Jennings, LB
Vita Musika, DL (from CC)

All eleven (except Musika) are starters. Bama fans also expect Harris to go pro.

Announcing they will return (3)
Alex Leatherwood, LOT
Dylan Moses, LB (though may reconsider based on loss of value contract)
DeVonta Smith, WR
Najee Harris, RB
 
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He's better going to the draft. Some said he wanted to prove his durability... but if he got hurt again he would lose a ton of value and if he did well and stayed healthy how much does he really gain?
 

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Surprised they had a press conference to announce this. I'll be rooting for him, very likable guy with a lot of talent.

Me too, seems like an act of desperation to stay relevant in the media while not in the playoffs. That could be a little cynical on my part but this was a complete waste of time.
 

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I honestly dont understand why any team would get fired up for an Alabama QB. Please tell me one in the last 15 years that has panned out to be more than a backup?

When you have a QB throwing to 5 star WRs behind a 5 star line and handing off to a 5 star RB, how really good is he?

Couple with the injury issues....any team that would waste a 1st round pick on this guy needs their head examined...and their GM fired.
 

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I honestly dont understand why any team would get fired up for an Alabama QB. Please tell me one in the last 15 years that has panned out to be more than a backup?



When you have a QB throwing to 5 star WRs behind a 5 star line and handing off to a 5 star RB, how really good is he?



Couple with the injury issues....any team that would waste a 1st round pick on this guy needs their head examined...and their GM fired.



IMO you are selling Tua way short if you think he is on par with Hurts, McCarron, McElroy, etc.


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Tua leaving for the NFL.

Maybe the Browns can pick him up... Always looking to destroy good QB's up there...



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ILB Josh McMillon who was lost for the season due to a knee injury announced he will return for the 2020 season. I've been pleased at the number of players who've elected to return. Moses, Leatherwood and Smith were all a bit of a surprise. I held out hope Tua would, but I'm certainly not surprised he's going to the NFL. I fully expect Najee Harris to head off to the pros.
 

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IMHO the press conference was an attempt to squash negative blow back. Saban was very complimentary. It was good to hear him supporting his guy. Alabama will be ok (having multiple top recruiting classes will see to that)
 

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IMHO the press conference was an attempt to squash negative blow back. Saban was very complimentary. It was good to hear him supporting his guy. Alabama will be ok (having multiple top recruiting classes will see to that)

Was it Dirty Sanchez that Carroll said should be coming back at a press conference like this? I just recall one of the USC QB's declaring and he was less than thrilled.
 

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Was it Dirty Sanchez that Carroll said should be coming back at a press conference like this? I just recall one of the USC QB's declaring and he was less than thrilled.



Yes it was.

Brian Kelly said the same about Kizer. Not sure if it was at a press conference are not though.


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IMHO the press conference was an attempt to squash negative blow back. Saban was very complimentary. It was good to hear him supporting his guy. Alabama will be ok (having multiple top recruiting classes will see to that)

Yeah, anyone who thinks they will take a nosedive is silly.
 

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It sure seemed that way.

I had heard, that a lot of the eligible guys were considering returning. I wonder how this will affect their decisions?

I wonder how his recuperation is coming? He'll need to convince a lot of GM's he'll be 100% in the not to distant future.

I think the doctor's report from the weekend helped Tua make his mind up. Until that point, I do think Tua was thinking about coming back. He has no guarantees that he will be 100% healthy again but the doctor's are saying his progress is very good. Tua is taking a chance going out and a team will take a chance drafting him. There is zero reason for him to come back to school however IMO. He will still be a high draft pick, will get to sit a year and get healthier, and then hopefully be able to play. I wouldn't want my team drafting him purely on his inability to stay healthy. But I do think he made the right decision in the end.

I don't think there were any surprises from the other guys going and I don't think their decisions were based on Tua's decision. Ruggs may be the only one who may have considered it but his family financial situation probably weighed more. With a good combine, he could end up as a late 1st round pick and if so, he probably made the right decision as well.

N. Harris is the last one remaining and most believe he leaves as well. His draft grade was to return to school and he is seen as a 3-4 round pick. Coming back to school would probably not raise his stock any either.
 

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IMHO the press conference was an attempt to squash negative blow back. Saban was very complimentary. It was good to hear him supporting his guy. Alabama will be ok (having multiple top recruiting classes will see to that)

It is the week leading up to the NC game and there has been as much talk about who is staying and who is leaving from Bama than there has been about LSU and Clemson. Saban is once again using the media to get his message out. I think we may see a couple of coaching changes on his staff between now and the end of the month and Saban will more than likely time that as to get the most effect as well. He hates the media but he plays them like a fiddle.
 

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I'm curious (in a very non-sarcastic way) how people feel about the state of their program. Being that this is the first year in a longgg while that Bama is no longer in the Championship discussion, I understand how this could appear to be a signal for the program's decline. A loss to a "good but not elite" Auburn team sure doesn't help. But at the same time, they BATTLED with what currently looks like a generational LSU squad with Tua not even close to 100% and really handed it to Michigan (a team ND flat out didn't show up to play) in the second half of their bowl game. They sure do lose some ELITE talent to the draft this year (specifically their WRs) and the damage could be far worse if Dylan Moses and Najee Harris declare.

Is the general consensus that we should trust that Bama always reloads based on their past recruiting classes and our experience seeing it happen year after year? Or is the feeling that Bama's time as THE elite program (or top 2 elites) is slowly coming to an end?

The talent is certainly on the roster for them to reload. But some of the players they lose to the draft are going to be VERY hard to replace. If Harris leaves, they essentially lose nearly every starting skill position on offense other than DeVonta Smith... and those players were on an entirely different level (Jeudy, Ruggs, and Tua are likely first rounders and Harris is an elite talent).

Further, the typical Bama brand of football is becoming obsolete in today's game. Bullying the opposition on both sides of the ball, relying on a bruising run game, and maintaining good field position isn't as effective as it use to be. Bama has made some very apparent adjustments recently and adapted their offense to incorporate more spread / passing and their defense as well. Even their QB recruiting philosophy has changed. It's almost impossible to imagine a Tua, Jalen Hurts, or a Bryce Young playing QB at Bama in the early 2010s. Are their adjustments enough? Is realigning the staff and bringing in creative minds the answer?

With all this said, I personally think Bama will remain at the top of that elite tier for at least a few more years. I think LSU managed to catch lightning in a bottle this year and will likely take a step backwards next year. Clemson continues to prove they've built a sustainable "top tier of elite" program, but their recruiting philosophy and coaching style are VERY different and seem more tailored for the modern landscape of the game and recruiting. The SEC West will continue to be a gauntlet for years to come, but Bama is the alpha there and should be into the foreseeable future. Losing that level of elite talent is almost impossible to overcome for most programs, but if there is any program that CAN, it's Bama (and Clemson pending this championship game... still haven't been tested outside of OSU and really should have lost that game so the jury is still out).

If any program's reputation took a serious hit this year, I'd argue it's Oklahoma, not Bama. Hell, the entire BIG XII. Suspensions or not, that embarrassment of a Peach Bowl really showed the weakness of a conference and the need to actually play even a MAC level of defense in order to win. The rest of the CFB world has learned and applied Oklahoma's style of offense and is starting to put up the same level of points. The difference is the great-to-elite tier of teams also pairs that with great defense.

Curious to hear all of your thoughts. I don't post that much on here, but I read the threads daily and seem a little confused with the consensus here. No shots fired at all. Just genuinely curious and want to hear thoughts other than my own
 
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the backbone of every college program is recruiting. Given Alabama has continued to enjoy some of the best recruits annually they will continue to enjoy robust results on the field. LSU will likely become a 9-3 10-2 team. the biggest curiosity to me is Georgia. they have arguably been enjoying elite recruiting with somewhat more modest on field results
 

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I'm holding a press conference next week to announce that I'm moving back to the white tees instead of my usual senior tees! Nick said it was in my best interest to do so.
 

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the backbone of every college program is recruiting. Given Alabama has continued to enjoy some of the best recruits annually they will continue to enjoy robust results on the field. LSU will likely become a 9-3 10-2 team. the biggest curiosity to me is Georgia. they have arguably been enjoying elite recruiting with somewhat more modest on field results

Yeah I dont know what is up with GA. They get great QBs but just cant seem to win the big games. Doesnt make sense. With their staff and recruiting, they should never lose to anyone in the SEC other than Bama but they do.
 

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I'm curious (in a very non-sarcastic way) how people feel about the state of their program. Being that this is the first year in a longgg while that Bama is no longer in the Championship discussion, I understand how this could appear to be a signal for the program's decline. A loss to a "good but not elite" Auburn team sure doesn't help. But at the same time, they BATTLED with what currently looks like a generational LSU squad with Tua not even close to 100% and really handed it to Michigan (a team ND flat out didn't show up to play) in the second half of their bowl game. They sure do lose some ELITE talent to the draft this year (specifically their WRs) and the damage could be far worse if Dylan Moses and Najee Harris declare.

Is the general consensus that we should trust that Bama always reloads based on their past recruiting classes and our experience seeing it happen year after year? Or is the feeling that Bama's time as THE elite program (or top 2 elites) is slowly coming to an end?

The talent is certainly on the roster for them to reload. But some of the players they lose to the draft are going to be VERY hard to replace. If Harris leaves, they essentially lose nearly every starting skill position on offense other than DeVonta Smith... and those players were on an entirely different level (Jeudy, Ruggs, and Tua are likely first rounders and Harris is an elite talent).

Further, the typical Bama brand of football is becoming obsolete in today's game. Bullying the opposition on both sides of the ball, relying on a bruising run game, and maintaining good field position isn't as effective as it use to be. Bama has made some very apparent adjustments recently and adapted their offense to incorporate more spread / passing and their defense as well. Even their QB recruiting philosophy has changed. It's almost impossible to imagine a Tua, Jalen Hurts, or a Bryce Young playing QB at Bama in the early 2010s. Are their adjustments enough? Is realigning the staff and bringing in creative minds the answer?

With all this said, I personally think Bama will remain at the top of that elite tier for at least a few more years. I think LSU managed to catch lightning in a bottle this year and will likely take a step backwards next year. Clemson continues to prove they've built a sustainable "top tier of elite" program, but their recruiting philosophy and coaching style are VERY different and seem more tailored for the modern landscape of the game and recruiting. The SEC West will continue to be a gauntlet for years to come, but Bama is the alpha there and should be into the foreseeable future. Losing that level of elite talent is almost impossible to overcome for most programs, but if there is any program that CAN, it's Bama (and Clemson pending this championship game... still haven't been tested outside of OSU and really should have lost that game so the jury is still out).

If any program's reputation took a serious hit this year, I'd argue it's Oklahoma, not Bama. Hell, the entire BIG XII. Suspensions or not, that embarrassment of a Peach Bowl really showed the weakness of a conference and the need to actually play even a MAC level of defense in order to win. The rest of the CFB world has learned and applied Oklahoma's style of offense and is starting to put up the same level of points. The difference is the great-to-elite tier of teams also pairs that with great defense.

Curious to hear all of your thoughts. I don't post that much on here, but I read the threads daily and seem a little confused with the consensus here. No shots fired at all. Just genuinely curious and want to hear thoughts other than my own

Bama will just reload and are doing fine in recruiting. Anyone who thinks this season is the sign of a downfall is fooling themselves.

TTT or Bishop, Any ideas on the number of kids who went to the pros the previous three or four years? Curious as how this year compares to previous years?
 

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Bama will be elite as long as Saban is there and probably 2-3 years after he finally retires. Right now it is a football factory and draws kids from all over whose only priority is getting to the pros. As long as Saban can deliver that, Bama doesnt have to offer anything else.

Face it, no kid comes to Bama from CA, MI, etc to get an education.
 

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Bama will be elite as long as Saban is there and probably 2-3 years after he finally retires. Right now it is a football factory and draws kids from all over whose only priority is getting to the pros. As long as Saban can deliver that, Bama doesnt have to offer anything else.

Face it, no kid comes to Bama from CA, MI, etc to get an education.

Those kids from Ca and Mi just fly in on Saturday's and play. That's why they get pissed at playing 11:00 am games. They got to get up early and catch their flight due to the time change and all. Craziest thing I ever saw.
 

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RS Freshman RB, Jerome Ford, who played in four games last year, is transferring. With the Early Entrants and those without eligibility, Alabama now has ninety players on scholarship, counting Najee Harris. Even if Harris moves on, that still leaves seven RBs. Four of the ninety are special team scholarship players.

RS Jr Hunter Bannon, OL, has not played in '18 or in '19 and would be a good candidate to move on with his degree.

They have four verbal commitments who have not signed and who probably will not end up at Bama due to the scholarship crunch.
 
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Najee Harris announced he is returning to Bama. If you were Brian Robinson would you stay to be backup or go the graduate transfer route?

By my count, Alabama is at 90 scholarship players.
 
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Sad news for Bama that I never thought would happen. S&C coach Scott Cochran, known for his big personality and bigger voice has reportedly agreed to join the staff of his close friend Kirby Smart at UGA as the special teams coordinator.
 

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Sad news for Bama that I never thought would happen. S&C coach Scott Cochran, known for his big personality and bigger voice has reportedly agreed to join the staff of his close friend Kirby Smart at UGA as the special teams coordinator.

Was there any indication he ever wanted to move into a coaching role?
 

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Was there any indication he ever wanted to move into a coaching role?

Some of the reports today mentioned he'd wanted to move into an on-field coaching position, but I'd been unaware of it before. TTT is a lot better connected down there than I am, so he may have some insight.
 
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