'24 MI QB CJ Carr (Notre Dame Signee)

[IrishSpartan]

All I really meant was the fact that reclassifying has never been seen as really helping a player development wise. Im 29 years old and I have never heard of a l player especially a qb being a success after reclassifying. People have to remember these are still kids in high school, doesn’t matter that they are held back and older. There is a huge risk of kids like this burning out.

Also when I brought up the Clausen comment what I meant was the pressure on a talented Qb at Notre Dame is extremely high. Just hope he doesn’t get overwhelmed.

 

[GATTACA!]

All I really meant was the fact that reclassifying has never been seen as really helping a player development wise. Im 29 years old and I have never heard of a l player especially a qb being a success after reclassifying. People have to remember these are still kids in high school, doesn’t matter that they are held back and older. There is a huge risk of kids like this burning out.

Also when I brought up the Clausen comment what I meant was the pressure on a talented Qb at Notre Dame is extremely high. Just hope he doesn’t get overwhelmed.

Seems to be going pretty well for Ewers.

 

[T-Boone]

I reckon all the others have been done for the wrong reasons whereas Carr’s will be for good reasons. Don’t ask me to expand.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What does 2007 have to do with this year? Is this just a “it could always be worse” type post? Not understanding the correlation.

Personally, I’d probably take the ‘07 QB group over this year’s as long as the rest of the team is this year’s as well.

I mentioned it because Spartan brought up Clausen's freshman year. And we know how that '07 QB room turned out. Two of them immediately transferred and left us with a high ceiling freshman and low ceiling game manager in Sharpley. Given the benefit of hindsight, it seems very unlikely that Buchner - Pyne - Angeli - Carr will turn out as badly or worse.

 

[Irishdrunk]

So don’t reclassifying and come in as a 2024 where he could still be called on by fans to start? Won’t that still give “Jimmy Clausen vibes”? Not sure how reclassifying changes anything there. 5 star QBs fans want to start.

Also nobody is forcing anybody to do something.

Depends on the program and who your head coaches. Brian Kelly has a five star who is happy to take a red shirt. He got a transfer. There’s no question that Notre Dame needs to get a transfer for next year. I don’t think anybody should bank on CJ car as next year’s quarterback regardless. That’s just stupid

 

[Dale]

Depends on the program and who your head coaches. Brian Kelly has a five star who is happy to take a red shirt. He got a transfer. There’s no question that Notre Dame needs to get a transfer for next year. I don’t think anybody should bank on CJ car as next year’s quarterback regardless. That’s just stupid

Season is young. Search Walker Howard on Twitter right now. 1Q of a hurt Daniels and Nussmeier not looking great.

Nobody denies getting a transfer. But the thought that reclassifying will lead to pressure on Carr and not just his five star status regardless I disagree with.

Howard was also closer to 100 than 5 star status on 247 and On3 in a weak QB class.

 

[jprue24]

All I really meant was the fact that reclassifying has never been seen as really helping a player development wise. Im 29 years old and I have never heard of a l player especially a qb being a success after reclassifying. People have to remember these are still kids in high school, doesn’t matter that they are held back and older. There is a huge risk of kids like this burning out.

It most certainly does matter that his family held him back. Since reclassifying is a real possibility, he will surely be a '24 early entry. We are talking about one semester here.

I believe it's better for his development to be on the scout team or with the 2s, practicing the game at D1 speed, than with a low level high school. Better to be in ND's S&C program than Saline's.

 

[IrishLax]

If your goal two years from now is to have CJ Carr be the starting QB then that is infinitely more likely to happen with him reclassing. If your goal is for that to happen three years from now then reclassing probably doesn’t really matter or could even be a net negative.

Regardless, he isn’t the answer for next year.

 

[Chicago Domer]

i really don’t like the early entry program to begin with. Let’s go back to letting kids enjoy their senior years. The world wants to go from step 1 to step 5 overnight.

As far as Carr reclassifying, let him have one more year of high school. He can certainly learn additional skills next year and be that much better when he arrives. In addition, he will have full time live reps and isn’t burning a year of eligibility. The year of eligibility doesn’t sound important unless he gets hurt.



I’m totally against Carr

 

[dankgesang]

Seems to be going pretty well for Ewers.

This picture tells a different, and a harrowing tale:

 

[Grahambo]

If your goal two years from now is to have CJ Carr be the starting QB then that is infinitely more likely to happen with him reclassing. If your goal is for that to happen three years from now then reclassing probably doesn’t really matter or could even be a net negative.

Regardless, he isn’t the answer for next year.

Pretty much this.

For the record, I’m in reclassify camp. One year in college is infinitely better than senior year in high school. Not to mention, risk of injury playing a senior season in HS outweighs any benefit gained by staying.

That said, if he stays for his senior year, I’ll give it all of two milliseconds before I move on.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Season is young. Search Walker Howard on Twitter right now. 1Q of a hurt Daniels and Nussmeier not looking great.

Nobody denies getting a transfer. But the thought that reclassifying will lead to pressure on Carr and not just his five star status regardless I disagree with.

Howard was also closer to 100 than 5 star status on 247 and On3 in a weak QB class.

Actually CJ Carr and Walker Howard grade out generally in the same area. Not Top 10 - like a Dante Moore - but still a 5 star kid. Some services still don’t have CJ as a 5 star but that is mostly because he is Junior. But I think they both grade out in somewhat similar rankings by the services when all is said and done.

 

[Dale]

Actually CJ Carr and Walker Howard grade out generally in the same area. Not Top 10 - like a Dante Moore - but still a 5 star kid. Some services still don’t have CJ as a 5 star but that is mostly because he is Junior. But I think they both grade out in somewhat similar rankings by the services when all is said and done.

Carr 247: #4 QB, #33 Overall
Howard 247: #6 QB, #91 Overall

Carr On3: #4 QB, #31 Overall
Howard On3: #8 QB, #99 Overall

Carr Rivals: #4 QB, #15 Overall
Howard Rivals: #2 QB, #20 Overall

Carr ESPN: #2 QB, #18 Overall
Howard ESPN: #3 QB, #42 Overall

Not sure why were even debating this since it wasn’t pertinent to the topic, but Carr is ranked higher by every single site. Significantly higher by 2.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Comparing junior rankings vs senior rankings????? Ok whatever. My point still stands they are in the same general area- low 5 star QBs. The point is BK has him RS to my original point. BK could have played him but he smartly got a transfer unlike MF and TR’s off-season decision making,

 

[NDRock]

Comparing junior rankings vs senior rankings????? Ok whatever. My point still stands they are in the same general area- low 5 star QBs. The point is BK has him RS to my original point. BK could have played him but he smartly got a transfer unlike MF and TR’s off-season decision making,

Yep. When Walker committed in August of his Senior year he was the #1 composite QB on 247 as well as the #2 QB on Rivals. Think he was similar on ESPN.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It is in my best interests that this kid get out of high school and into The Gug as soon as possible.

 

[notredomer23]

CJ Carr and Saline have outscored opponents 187-13 the last four games. Looks like the next team he plays, Bedford, may actually have a pulse.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

CJ Carr and Saline have outscored opponents 187-13 the last four games. Looks like the next team he plays, Bedford, may actually have a pulse.

Yet some people are trying to make the argument that another year of that versus getting on campus and getting to work is the better route. Smh.

 

[NDpendent]

Yet some people are trying to make the argument that another year of that versus getting on campus and getting to work is the better route. Smh.

QBs (more then any other position) are more likely to get significantly better as you get older. I would rather have a CJ Carr at ages of 19,20 and 21 then at 18,19,20. Just look at how many top 20 QBs in college are 18 and 19

 

[knight2017]

QBs (more then any other position) are more likely to get significantly better as you get older. I would rather have a CJ Carr at ages of 19,20 and 21 then at 18,19,20. Just look at how many top 20 QBs in college are 18 and 19

Completely agree here. Would love to pick up Avery Johnson in '23 and get Carr another year of development at Saline, a potential redshirt year, and then have him start ages 20-22.

 

[Southside Sully]

QBs (more then any other position) are more likely to get significantly better as you get older. I would rather have a CJ Carr at ages of 19,20 and 21 then at 18,19,20. Just look at how many top 20 QBs in college are 18 and 19

Isn't CJ older than Dante Moore, and is old for his grade already? I remember reading that here I thought.

 

[DONTH8]

Isn't CJ older than Dante Moore, and is old for his grade already? I remember reading that here I thought.

I believe Carr is a few weeks younger.

 

[dublinirish]

Isn't CJ older than Dante Moore, and is old for his grade already? I remember reading that here I thought.

CJ repeated a grade to improve his chances of being a successful HS senior athlete aka the Clausen Family method

 

[NDMatt91]

CJ repeated a grade to improve his chances of being a successful HS senior athlete aka the Clausen Family method

Jimmy's case was laughable. He turned 19 in September of his senior year of HS and he absolutely should've been in the class of 2006. It's not uncommon to see parents decide to have their kids start school 1 year later if their birthdays are in June, July, and August. CJ's birthday is May 26th. It's not totally out of left field.

 

[Dale]

QBs (more then any other position) are more likely to get significantly better as you get older. I would rather have a CJ Carr at ages of 19,20 and 21 then at 18,19,20. Just look at how many top 20 QBs in college are 18 and 19

Is that simply because their age has gone up or they’ve received another year of coaching, physical development etc? I’d say it’s the latter, and ND can help along more aspects of that than Saline can.

 

[Dale]

It's both not one or the other. It would be silly to argue that development at his high school would not be better the development at ND. But if we have him for three years I would rather him be a year older

I view it as instead:

CJ can reasonably compete to start in 2024 and 2025 (and 2026) if he reclassifies.

CJ will compete to start more than likely in 2025 and 2026 (and 2027) if he does not.

Our QB room in 2026 should ideally have more talent than in 2024. We know we have a need in 2024. Anything after that is just a theoretical need.

 

[GATTACA!]

I’m in favor of whatever route gets CJ on the field for ND the fastest. Which is reclassifying.

 

[notredomer23]

I’m in favor of whatever route gets CJ on the field for ND the fastest. Which is reclassifying.

In this era, reclassifying also makes it more likely he actually ends up at ND. That’s not to say he’s not still highly likely if he doesn’t, but a lot can happen in an extra year

 

[indianamouse]

I’m in favor of whatever route gets CJ on the field for ND the fastest. Which is reclassifying.

I just want to see Carr face Michigan for us. Would be epic 😂

 

[stlnd01]

In this era, reclassifying also makes it more likely he actually ends up at ND. That’s not to say he’s not still highly likely if he doesn’t, but a lot can happen in an extra year

This is actually the strongest argument for encouraging him to reclassify, IMO. If Keeley had reclassified, for instance, he’d be on our team right now.