‘24 AR DL TJ Lindsey (Auburn Verbal)

[Crazy Balki]

You missed the point of the discussion then. We were talking about gauranteeing money to high schools kids to entice them to come to ND before ever being enrolled and based off high school perfomance anb my point is still valid that the ND administration and board of trustees are not going to go out of their way to encourage donors to give money to football players rather than to donate it to the endowment or campus improvements. Thats not how ND operates.

I didn't miss the point.

I don't expect ND to start paying high school players left and right, but them not investing in and promoting their NIL collectives is also going to hurt them with recruiting HS players.

More money in the collective and more promotion means you have a much bigger NIL product for MF and the staff to pitch to high school kids. If the FUND and other collectives are backed by the university and it's being promoted heavily, that exposure is going to catch the attention of the family and kids. That's going to help combat the fact that there's no guaranteed NIL for P4P.

As of now, ND isn't doing that and it makes their NIL pitch significantly weaker, because the school isn't helping them out. The lack of exposure for the FUND and collectives makes it more difficult for kids to believe MF when he tells them they'll be taken care of when they're having 6 figure deals thrown in their face.

 

[ndfanatic78]

I didn't miss the point.

I don't expect ND to start paying high school players left and right, but them not investing in and promoting their NIL collectives is also going to hurt them with recruiting HS players.

More money in the collective and more promotion means you have a much bigger NIL product for MF and the staff to pitch to high school kids. If the FUND and other collectives are backed by the university and it's being promoted heavily, that exposure is going to catch the attention of the family and kids. That's going to help combat the fact that there's no guaranteed NIL for P4P.

As of now, ND isn't doing that and it makes their NIL pitch significantly weaker, because the school isn't helping them out. The lack of exposure for the FUND and collectives makes it more difficult for kids to believe MF when he tells them they'll be taken care of when they're having 6 figure deals thrown in their face.

Again and my point is that the school isnt going to incourage donors to give money to High School kids instead of the school. They don't care if it hurts football recruiting. So you did miss my point or just felt like explaining something everyone on the board already knows.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Again and my point is that the school isnt going to incourage donors to give money to High School kids instead of the school. They don't care if it hurts football recruiting. So you did miss my point or just felt like explaining something everyone on the board already knows.

Your point was that ND's endowment money isn't going to go to HS players. My point was that ND is getting that endowment money from somewhere, and that's the donor-base, and said donor base can help make ND a very solid NIL marketing base for CFB players. Then you countered by going back to the idea that ND would be promoting these NIL deals to high school kids, which is you missing the point. The point is that they aren't going to HS players. They're going to current ND players and the prospective paydays these kids benefit from will make ND more enticing from the NIL perspective, on top of the other qualities ND can pitch. It's about providing the best NIL product possible to pitch to these kids, without just guaranteeing them 6-7 figures.

The point is that ND needs to promote their NIL collectives as a whole for their current players and THAT would provide a competitive pitch for MF to work with. ND is currently doing neither P4P nor are they promoting their NIL collective. The former is understandable, the latter is unacceptable.

It's pretty clear that the argument has turned towards the fear that Lindsey is going to surge up the rankings and take the bag, so I'd say this is pretty relevant to the discussion.

 

[CanadalovesND]

2024 DL TJ Lindsey breaks down Notre Dame interest, recruitment

Bryant (Ark.) High class of 2024 defensive lineman TJ Lindsey is a major target for Notre Dame Fighting Irish football.

www.on3.com

It will be a quiet visit season for Lindsey this winter. He wants to focus on his basketball season, so visits are unlikely to happen.

ND is standing out the most, amidst a few other schools that are making consistent contact - TCU, Arkansas, OKSU, Texas, A&M.

He hasn't named a clear cut leader, but ND would be a top choice if he had to commit today. He recognizes the brand and oppourtunities that come with ND. States that he talks with a few ND coaches, multiple times a week.

No rush with his decision. Likely to go on many unofficials and take potentially all five OVs.

 

[fightingirish26]

no rush = chasing the bag

 

[ColinKSU]

2024 DL TJ Lindsey breaks down Notre Dame interest, recruitment

Bryant (Ark.) High class of 2024 defensive lineman TJ Lindsey is a major target for Notre Dame Fighting Irish football.

www.on3.com

It will be a quiet visit season for Lindsey this winter. He wants to focus on his basketball season, so visits are unlikely to happen.

ND is standing out the most, amidst a few other schools that are making consistent contact - TCU, Arkansas, OKSU, Texas, A&M.

He hasn't named a clear cut leader, but ND would be a top choice if he had to commit today. He recognizes the brand and oppourtunities that come with ND. States that he talks with a few ND coaches, multiple times a week.

No rush with his decision. Likely to go on many unofficials and take potentially all five OVs.

Seems like Marcus sees it differently, but I'd rather he take infinite unofficials and all five OVs. I get that he feels like it's easier to keep a kid that's committed, but that sure wasn't the case at the top of the class in 2023. I'd rather he know the bag he's turning down by choosing ND.

 

[irishff1014]

I don’t have his site and don’t follow him. But other people are sharing this from him.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I don’t have his site and don’t follow him. But other people are sharing this from him.

He loves Coach Washington

 

[MacIrish75]

He loves Coach Washington

That can’t be true. I’ve been led to believe that Al Washington is the lovechild of Ty Willingham and Del Alexander.

 

[Chicago Domer]

Your point was that ND's endowment money isn't going to go to HS players. My point was that ND is getting that endowment money from somewhere, and that's the donor-base, and said donor base can help make ND a very solid NIL marketing base for CFB players. Then you countered by going back to the idea that ND would be promoting these NIL deals to high school kids, which is you missing the point. The point is that they aren't going to HS players. They're going to current ND players and the prospective paydays these kids benefit from will make ND more enticing from the NIL perspective, on top of the other qualities ND can pitch. It's about providing the best NIL product possible to pitch to these kids, without just guaranteeing them 6-7 figures.

The point is that ND needs to promote their NIL collectives as a whole for their current players and THAT would provide a competitive pitch for MF to work with. ND is currently doing neither P4P nor are they promoting their NIL collective. The former is understandable, the latter is unacceptable.

It's pretty clear that the argument has turned towards the fear that Lindsey is going to surge up the rankings and take the bag, so I'd say this is pretty relevant to the discussion.

I’m sick and tired of Universities accumulating huge amounts of money in an endowment that is wasted on unnecessary expansion from donors and the government.

I never thought I would say this, but I think Universities should be taxed on excessive endowments. Taxed is really the wrong word, as I don’t want the money to go to the government. They should be required to donate those dollars to numerous other charities who struggle to survive. This would be like the pro sports luxury tax.

No reason Universities need massive endowments that just sit there earning more significant money.

This would not hurt ND in competing in that all Universities would be complying with the same rules.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[dublinirish]

 

[BobbyMac]

In The Film Room . . . DL-TJ Lindsey

In The Film Room . . . DL-TJ Lindsey

247sports.com

CB

 

[dublinirish]

 

[dublinirish]

A “show me the money” tour plus ND


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[Irish#1]

This can't end well for the good guys.

 

[rikkitikki08]

ND is the only school on that list not handing out upfront NIL money, I’m usually not a negative doom and gloom guy but no way this ends well for ND lol

 

[notredomer23]

would you guys rather ND recruit guys visiting Virginia Tech, Utah, and Rutgers?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

would you guys rather ND recruit guys visiting Virginia Tech, Utah, and Rutgers?

 

[rikkitikki08]

would you guys rather ND recruit guys visiting Virginia Tech, Utah, and Rutgers?

Fair point, I stand corrected. Cant win the battles if we don’t recruit them

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Fair point, I stand corrected. Cant win the battles if we don’t recruit them

If he’s interested & looks to have his academics in order, ND has to make their best pitch. Even w/o NIL, I don’t think ND lands this kid but he could be a difference maker & ND needs those more than ever. Coach Washington seems to have built a good relationship w/ him. He has a buddy on his team that plays safety. Great athlete but looks like a string bean. The buddy is getting smaller offers & may eventually earn D1 offers. I’m curious if we start to see P5 teams offer a package deal for both.

 

[Irish#1]

would you guys rather ND recruit guys visiting Virginia Tech, Utah, and Rutgers?

Of course not, but that wasn't the point. If that list would have had a couple more schools like NW or Vandy on the list, I would have said we have a chance. We still need to go after these kids and hope we land a few.

 

[NDdomer2]

define big with NIL?

clearly we are playing some of the NIL game or we wouldnt be in the conversation with a lot of those schools.

Pay for play, no, but were paying.

 

[BoredIrish]

The Irish Illustrated guys have indicated as of late that ND may have made progress on the NIL front but the article by Swarbrick in the NyTimes makes it sound like nothing was ever going to happen there.

 

[fightingirish26]

define big with NIL?

clearly we are playing some of the NIL game or we wouldnt be in the conversation with a lot of those schools.

Pay for play, no, but were paying.

We absolutely are doing pay for play, just not similar figures to many programs that we recruit against

 

[NDdomer2]

We absolutely are doing pay for play, just not similar figures to many programs that we recruit against

i meant for signing. and we do make them actually perform some level of service to the community/company. many do not.

But we are in agreement. ND is paying kids and cleary it is some level of commensurate with other NIL schools or we wouldnt be getting listed in the same top 10's, visit lists etc.

 

[laughingirish90]

would you guys rather ND recruit guys visiting Virginia Tech, Utah, and Rutgers?

the USC coaching staff would gladly say yes

 

[dublinirish]

 

[Big23Head]

Do not think ND will win this one

 

[NDMatt91]

Do not think ND will win this one

Loy or you?