'23 TX S Peyton Bowen (Oklahoma Signee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

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Can't wait to hear the excuses when Bowen flips, especially from Driskell.
say what you want about Driskell but Ryan and Shaun at IB are very good at what they do because they actually talk to the kids and family members. if Ryan still likes our chances then go with what he says. if he chooses elewhere then fine but again Ryan at least does talk to these kids where as i don't know if the OU beat writers talking all this flipping to OU stuff do or don't talk to Peyton and family
 

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say what you want about Driskell but Ryan and Shaun at IB are very good at what they do because they actually talk to the kids and family members. if Ryan still likes our chances then go with what he says. if he chooses elewhere then fine but again Ryan at least does talk to these kids where as i don't know if the OU beat writers talking all this flipping to OU stuff do or don't talk to Peyton and family

Bowen talks to Drumm on the OU site all the time.

TBH, Roberts seems very insecure and everything I read from those who follow him is he’s always pitting it as a me vs the rest of the world coverage. Like my coverage is pristine and everyone else is misinformation or unethical.
 

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Christian and Matt talk to the recruits all the time? Lol

Singer does too (don't kill me Reaper)

Prister/Loy are pretty connected

Sampson traveled to Keeley's school for a piece (didn't get access though), but still for a big picture guy he still talks to recruits.

The self aggrandizing the built bar crew do for IB is hilarious because.....congrats they now have someone with a shred of legitimacy in recruiting. They're the UCF of ND coverage, giving themselves the NC yet don't have the same schedule as actual powers.
 

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Christian and Matt talk to the recruits all the time? Lol

Singer does too (don't kill me Reaper)

Prister/Loy are pretty connected

Sampson traveled to Keeley's school for a piece (didn't get access though), but still for a big picture guy he still talks to recruits.

The self aggrandizing the built bar crew do for IB is hilarious because.....congrats they now have someone with a shred of legitimacy in recruiting. They're the UCF of ND coverage, giving themselves the NC yet don't have the same schedule as actual powers.
They love to grandstand on the other sites a lot. How they don’t crystal ball and “ruin a recruits moment” but they do their gifs thing. I myself am a subscriber there but it seems to me like they think people are there for their opinions instead of actual intel. Idk I will say a lot of the members are a little culty especially when it comes to Driskell.

On another note what’s with PB last visit with OU not ND?
 

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How does it benefit ND to have well-informed beat reporters? The university itself is far better equipped to control its own narrative and can leak tidbits in innumerable ways. Feeding an industry of “insiders” they don’t control seems to have little upside, but real quantifiable downsides in that these guys negatively influence our recruits all the time in the race to scoop each other.

Fuck ‘em.

The only argument the ND beat truly had in its back pocket to maintain their status as the #1 source of leaked ND info, was the fact that they had dirt on BK. The coaching staff had to keep the beat happy, essentially, to maintain the give-and-take of what I'm sure was years of 'minor' stuff adding up to create a decent binder on BK's secret transgressions. MFMF hasn't been around long enough for that threat to be present, so the coaching staff isn't beholden to keeping them happy.

There's an argument that you don't want the bad PR of a beat that is openly hostile towards a tight-lipped staff... but the beat has never weaponized its influence to help openly recruit elite players for ND, anyway, so you aren't losing too much. Most beats are staffed by homers that openly recruit for the schools they cover, but the ND beat has generally been too professional for that. We've never had anyone turn into a Justin Hopkins and push a much-needed QB our way, and even EJ Holland, who openly shills for scUM now, didn't really recruit on ND's behalf when he was on the beat.

It *feels* like a "don't bite the hand that feeds" situation... but it's really not that way, at all. Even if national guys like Thamel are getting the scoop directly from MFMF and co., and it pisses Sampson/Prister/etc. off to no end, the beat will go on speculating and generating clicks based on the standard day-to-day stuff, regardless.
 

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How does it benefit ND to have well-informed beat reporters? The university itself is far better equipped to control its own narrative and can leak tidbits in innumerable ways. Feeding an industry of “insiders” they don’t control seems to have little upside, but real quantifiable downsides in that these guys negatively influence our recruits all the time in the race to scoop each other.

Fuck ‘em.
Feeding insiders is how you influence them. If they don't get anything from ND's staff they have less incentive to play nice.
 

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The only argument the ND beat truly had in its back pocket to maintain their status as the #1 source of leaked ND info, was the fact that they had dirt on BK. The coaching staff had to keep the beat happy, essentially, to maintain the give-and-take of what I'm sure was years of 'minor' stuff adding up to create a decent binder on BK's secret transgressions. MFMF hasn't been around long enough for that threat to be present, so the coaching staff isn't beholden to keeping them happy.

There's an argument that you don't want the bad PR of a beat that is openly hostile towards a tight-lipped staff... but the beat has never weaponized its influence to help openly recruit elite players for ND, anyway, so you aren't losing too much. Most beats are staffed by homers that openly recruit for the schools they cover, but the ND beat has generally been too professional for that. We've never had anyone turn into a Justin Hopkins and push a much-needed QB our way, and even EJ Holland, who openly shills for scUM now, didn't really recruit on ND's behalf when he was on the beat.

It *feels* like a "don't bite the hand that feeds" situation... but it's really not that way, at all. Even if national guys like Thamel are getting the scoop directly from MFMF and co., and it pisses Sampson/Prister/etc. off to no end, the beat will go on speculating and generating clicks based on the standard day-to-day stuff, regardless.
Right. They've got no leverage over ND to make the program keep feeding them intel, and there's no real benefit to the University in doing so. So why play their game?
Feeding insiders is how you influence them. If they don't get anything from ND's staff they have less incentive to play nice.
Who cares if they "play nice?" If they start openly negging NDFB, their business model falls apart. No one is going to pay for negativity without genuine intel behind it. Can get plenty of that for free on message boards.
 
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Right. They've got no leverage over ND to make the program keep feeding them intel, and there's no real benefit to the University in doing so. So why play their game?

Who cares if they "play nice?" If they start openly negging NDFB, their business model falls apart. No one is going to pay for negativity without genuine intel behind it. Can get plenty of that for free on message boards.
But those guys are just being realistic, you're too much of a homer to see how clairvoyant they are. Classic ND fan can't see that Reese is at fault for not having Buckener ready. I knew that Kelley had faults, but man it's Reece.
 

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Right. They've got no leverage over ND to make the program keep feeding them intel, and there's no real benefit to the University in doing so. So why play their game?

Who cares if they "play nice?" If they start openly negging NDFB, their business model falls apart. No one is going to pay for negativity without genuine intel behind it. Can get plenty of that for free on message boards.
I think they will be more apt to stoke a torches and pitchforks mob after certain coaches. I don't think it's right or wrong: just interesting.
 

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Maybe not identical but Lynch had a “fiancé” back in Florida didn’t he? Which made his recruitment teeth and nails until he picked ND over FSU only to transfer about 12 months later back to Florida.
Not sure about fiancé but definitely a girlfriend (I think she eventually became fiancé). His mom wanted him to attend ND more than he did. Even after he left, she seemed to be trying to get him to change his mind.
 

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The last three pages are all about who's better at reporting, who's a hack, who's got sources, etc. I have a major case of Deja Vu.
 

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OU site confirmed they get Friday. ND gets Thursday. OU and Bowen family didn’t want it public but sounds like knew they’d get last this whole time.


Beginning to have the makings of OU did this on purpose. Venables really didn’t like when Rees pantsed him that one time?
 

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What a chooch.

What are the actual odds this guy doesn't transfer out of ND after a year or two even if he comes. I'm sorry, but it seems like no matter how talented some of these guys are your program ends up dodging a bullet in avoiding all of the potential and likely drama you're going to get with them.
 

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If Bowen just chooses OU and they beat us in a fair fight, I could care less at this point. But when we enter intentionally deceptive to the point of for embarrassment effect, that’s really just messed up. The “I know something you don’t know” nature of some of the OU side seems validated.
 

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It's his house lol. He wanted OU last or else they wouldn't be last. I'm holding out hope this isn't what it is, but it sure looks like decommit from ND in person on Thursday then commit to OU in person on Friday with a photo op.
 

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If Bowen just chooses OU and they beat us in a fair fight, I could care less at this point. But when we enter intentionally deceptive to the point of for embarrassment effect, that’s really just messed up. The “I know something you don’t know” nature of some of the OU side seems validated.
It's Amorion Walker all over again.
 

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If Bowen just chooses OU and they beat us in a fair fight, I could care less at this point. But when we enter intentionally deceptive to the point of for embarrassment effect, that’s really just messed up. The “I know something you don’t know” nature of some of the OU side seems validated.

Agreed. It seems really weird to want to stunt on a place that has done nothing but welcome you with open arms.

And to be clear I generally feel that way about most recruiting drama like this. Like, Hood doing the "roll toilet" post. Dude, that's Alabama saying they like you and are willing to give you a free ride. Just seems incredibly immature. It would be like getting a job offers, taking a position at a specific employer, and then sending a nasty email to your other offers just for kicks.
 

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Why is everyone slamming Bowen?

Freeman is the one that is supposed to have a "no-visit" policy for commits. Freeman should have held himself to his own standards.

It was no officials. Which I believe has been kept both ways in terms of commits visiting elsewhere and hosting other commits. Kaleb Smith and Minchey decommitted first, then visited. The TTU CB never visited because he only wanted to OV. On the flip side no commits have taken an OV besides Rhett, who as a result was then a decommit.
 

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Why is everyone slamming Bowen?

Freeman is the one that is supposed to have a "no-visit" policy for commits. Freeman should have held himself to his own standards.
BV has a no-visit policy also. All that really means is if you commit and then visit other schools…your spot is no longer saved and we will continue to look for players at your position. It does not mean that we no longer want you on the team. Many OU fans confuse the “no visit” also
 
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