'23 TX S Peyton Bowen (Oklahoma Signee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

[Riddickulous]

If this is what forces ND to play the NIL game, then fine. Hard to imagine ND letting the football program wither when it makes so much money for the university.

 

[NDFAN2008]

At the end of the day ND needs to step up their NIL game. They have more power and money than just about any school out there. Losing Bowen is a huge hole because they didn't land a safety last year.

 

[benneboy]

If this is what forces ND to play the NIL game, then fine. Hard to imagine ND letting the football program wither when it makes so much money for the university.

I've always maintained its such a wierd line to draw. We're ok making millions every year off the kids and coaches, but compensating those same kids every year within the bounds of the rules somehow crosses the line?

 

[Dale]

Need a Poll option, what will the update be:

🤮 for decommitment
👍 for moved from confident to cautiously optimistic
☘️ for he’s solid and OU can kick rocks
😂 for pushing back timeline again and we do this again

 

[Riddickulous]

Need a Poll option, what will the update be:

🤮 for decommitment
👍 for moved from confident to cautiously optimistic
☘️ for he’s solid and OU can kick rocks
😂 for pushing back timeline again and we do this again

He's taking 20 more visits each to A&M and OU

 

[notredomer23]

Need a Poll option, what will the update be:

🤮 for decommitment
👍 for moved from confident to cautiously optimistic
☘️ for he’s solid and OU can kick rocks
😂 for pushing back timeline again and we do this again

Where is the option for this gets dragged out to February?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

This.

We picked the weirdest timeline for ND to have a HC that can recruit when all of a sudden it doesn't matter for 5-star players.

This genuinely makes me sick to my stomach for Freeman and the staff. Those guys worked their asses off to land this class, and while still a good one, it's not what it could've been. Everyone talks about winning championships at ND and that it takes difference makers to compete for one. ND hires a coach willing and able to get those kids to commit, only to have the rug pulled out from under them because of PFP bullshit. ND can talk about championships all they want, but if the admin doesn't put their money where their mouth is, it's all smoke. They're at a true fork in the road, imo. Be a contender or being a pretender.

 

[NDPhilly]

Why wouldnt every 5 star push until NSD? The bid price is only going to go up as teams get desperate.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I've always maintained its such a wierd line to draw. We're ok making millions every year off the kids and coaches, but compensating those same kids every year within the bounds of the rules somehow crosses the line?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the issue PFP? That's still technically against the rules but programs are blatantly doing it now. ND's NIL deals get their kids paid (probably more so than most programs) but they aren't willing to hand a kid a briefcase full of cash to just show up to campus....and that's the difference. Am I wrong on that understanding?

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I think if he wants to flip, he needs to wait a few weeks for the post nut visit clarity to set in.

 

[NDMatt91]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the issue PFP? That's still technically against the rules but programs are blatantly doing it now. ND's NIL deals get their kids paid (probably more so than most programs) but they aren't willing to hand a kid a briefcase full of cash to just show up to campus....and that's the difference. Am I wrong on that understanding?

Adapt or die, unfortunately.

 

[NDPhilly]

NCAA has taken forever to lay down the hammer or at the very least provide clarity . End of the day, if upfront payment is outlawed, most of the big time CFB programs will skate by. You can't punish all of them.

 

[NDMatt91]

NCAA has taken forever to lay down the hammer or at the very least provide clarity . End of the day, if upfront payment is outlawed, most of the big time CFB programs will skate by. You can't punish all of them.

Exactly. So if you're a wealthy ND booster then you can play by the rules of the SEC/Big XII and buy kids.

 

[OhioIrish]

I've blocked him out of my head but 100% should.

Just wild. Freeman really recruited to a #1 class level in year 1. Feel for the guy.

I feel for him too. And, I think it’s likely Freeman leaves ND too in a couple years if they don’t get their act together with a competitive approach to NIL. It’s great that ND wants to express its values via NIL, but it’s an utterly tone deaf message.

 

[GATTACA!]

But let's be honest...there's absolutely nothing else ND could do here. If he didn't want to be here after witnessing the Clemson game then all you can do is tip your hat and move on.

Yes there is. Pay the fucking kid.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Oklahoma will be middle of the pack in the SEC WEST going forward once they join they'll have to face good defenses every weekend.

 

[GATTACA!]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the issue PFP? That's still technically against the rules but programs are blatantly doing it now. ND's NIL deals get their kids paid (probably more so than most programs) but they aren't willing to hand a kid a briefcase full of cash to just show up to campus....and that's the difference. Am I wrong on that understanding?

Technically my ass. You really think Alabama, Oregon, A&M, Texas, Tennessee, Florida, etc are all going to be punished? Of course not. ND admin needs to get off their high horse and realize without football they’re a no name religious school in fucking Indiana.

 

[NDMatt91]

I feel for him too. And, I think it’s likely Freeman leaves ND too in a couple years if they don’t get their act together with a competitive approach to NIL. It’s great that ND wants to express its values via NIL, but it’s an utterly tone deaf message.

Isn't Swarbrick retiring in a few years?

 

[ndfanatic78]

At the end of the day ND needs to step up their NIL game. They have more power and money than just about any school out there. Losing Bowen is a huge hole because they didn't land a safety last year.

Not at all. We still have 2 in the class.There is always the transfer portal. this no where close to the end of the world or even a major blow. No one player makes a team. Remember how everyone reacted when Kyle Hamilton went down. The defense barely skipped a beat (we could hav used him in the bowl game, lol). The fact of the matter no one truly knows how this dude is going to shake out. How many cant miss prospects actually miss? It happens all the time. This class with or with out Bowen is still the best and most complete class ND has gotten since Holtz. 1 guy (even 3 guys) will not change that.

 

[NDMD]

Isn't Swarbrick retiring in a few years?

Swarbrick is not where the resistance to NIL is coming from.

 

[NDPhilly]

ND Admin is going to see our recruiting class without Bowen, Moore, and Keeley and say "this is one of the best classes of the last two decades, what exactly is the issue?"

 

[GATTACA!]

This is fucking sickening.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If I'm my uncle and I'm a 5 star I'm doing a public twitch stream where people can watch schools auction for me

 

[greyhammer90]

Isn't Swarbrick retiring in a few years?

If you think football is going to get more support once Swarbrick is gone, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[NDMD]

Looking back to page 41 for some Freezing Cold Takes, big oof there

 

[GATTACA!]

If you think football is going to get more support once Swarbrick is gone, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[ColinKSU]

When he flips right before NSD, remember all the ND insiders who said there was nothing to worry about and that Peyton was just having fun taking trips with his brother every week and that he was locked into Notre Dame.

 

[ndfanatic78]

If you think football is going to get more support once Swarbrick is gone, I don't know what to tell you.

Exactly Swarbrick is trying his ass off to bring a championship to ND before he retires. No-one has fought harder against admin/board to help loosen the restrictions against the football team. Look at everything he has done over his tenure to bring the football program out of the dark ages.

 

[greyhammer90]

When he flips right before NSD, remember all the ND insiders who said there was nothing to worry about and that Peyton was just having fun taking trips with his brother every week and that he was locked into Notre Dame.

Name names man. Who was saying that it wasn't concerning?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

When do we turn this into a food thread?