'23 TX CB Malik Muhammad (Texas Verbal)

[fightingirish26]

Not going to pay attention til he makes it to campus

 

[Luckylucci]

Not going to pay attention til he makes it to campus

He’s already been to campus once. So, there is a chance we could still get 2 or 3 visits before he’s ready to decide. That’s big. But, the whole I’m going to visit for 3 games that then turned into 0 was bizarre.

 

[fightingirish26]

He’s already been to campus once. So, there is a chance we could still get 2 or 3 visits before he’s ready to decide. That’s big. But, the whole I’m going to visit for 3 games that then turned into 0 was bizarre.

Right, forgot about that. The 0-3 game visits is what is fresh in my mind. Definitely reason for optimism but until we see him make it back up to ND just can't shake the skepticism.

 

[Luckylucci]

And this is the “small” stuff that is just bizarre about this recruitment. Spiegelman got quotes on 4 teams that weren’t ND. But threw in ND in at the end to say he has a good relationship with Freeman. Then posted it on the BGI board.

https://n.rivals.com/news/rivals100-...lks-contenders

Cant tell if ND is being used for the hype and clicks or if the public is being intentionally misled for shock factor.

 

[NDIrish88]

And this is the “small” stuff that is just bizarre about this recruitment. Spiegelman got quotes on 4 teams that weren’t ND. But threw in ND in at the end to say he has a good relationship with Freeman. Then posted it on the BGI board.

https://n.rivals.com/news/rivals100-...lks-contenders

Cant tell if ND is being used for the hype and clicks or if the public is being intentionally misled for shock factor.

My hunch tells me that something pissed him off that ND either said or did. Maybe he found out he wasn't high enough on their board or what but something obviously went south for him to post that top 12.

 

[Irish#1]

My hunch tells me that something pissed him off that ND either said or did. Maybe he found out he wasn't high enough on their board or what but something obviously went south for him to post that top 12.

Do we know if Kelly ever spoke to him?

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Loy thinks he pull the upset here

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

Loy thinks he pull the upset here

this would be a shocker.

 

[NDFAN420]

Loy thinks he pull the upset here

Tim Brown can speak this into existence. He's got day 1 starter and day 1 draft ability. He's a CB's cb.

 

[Luckylucci]

Premium from Christian at ISD.

The Latest | Notre Dame & 2023 CB Malik Muhammad | Irish Sports Daily

 

[Rizzophil]

Nice

 

[IrishLion]

Premium from Christian at ISD.

The Latest | Notre Dame & 2023 CB Malik Muhammad | Irish Sports Daily

Not gonna lie... that article is a joke. I expect better from ISD. It took someone in the comments section asking WHY ND got left out of his top-12 for Christian to say that there isn't an answer for that.

How are you gonna generate clicks about ND being 'in the mix' based on quotes and NOT get that tiny piece of info in there too?

Because right now, unless they are purposely helping Malik mislead everyone... getting assurances that ND is in the mix without getting an answer about why they weren't listed in his top-12 is just another "sources inside the Gug feel good" click-bait piece.

 

[NDMD]

Not gonna lie... that article is a joke. I expect better from ISD. It took someone in the comments section asking WHY ND got left out of his top-12 for Christian to say that there isn't an answer for that.

How are you gonna generate clicks about ND being 'in the mix' based on quotes and NOT get that tiny piece of info in there too?

Because right now, unless they are purposely helping Malik mislead everyone... getting assurances that ND is in the mix without getting an answer about why they weren't listed in his top-12 is just another "sources inside the Gug feel good" click-bait piece.

In response to this, Matt Freeman in a different post, said (paraphrased) "Kids like to play games sometimes."

Reading the tea leaves he probably didn't feel the love from ND at the time & leaving them off was his way of getting their attention. Purely my speculation.

Not worth worrying about, as lots of other recruitments have shown in the past, actions speak louder than words, so we'll see.

 

[Dale]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/lemmingreport/status/1481852134278766592?s=21[/TWEET]

 

[NDPhilly]

Lol so our competition are the 4 best programs of the last 5 years. No sweat.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Lol so our competition are the 4 best programs of the last 5 years. No sweat.

No LSU?

 

[NDPhilly]

No LSU?

Outside of the NC year, LSU has averaged 7.5 wins and 4.5 losses in the last 5 years. OU has a better claim for "top 5 program" than them.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Outside of the NC year, LSU has averaged 7.5 wins and 4.5 losses in the last 5 years. OU has a better claim for "top 5 program" than them.

And OSU and OU have averaged 0 National Championships

 

[notredomer23]

Random bump, but was looking for something unrelated on the Michigan board and came across about Muhammad. Sounds like the sudden lack of interest in ND might be NIL related as anyone wanting to recruit him will have to be aggressive with the NIL money.

 

[IrishLax]

Random bump, but was looking for something unrelated on the Michigan board and came across about Muhammad. Sounds like the sudden lack of interest in ND might be NIL related as anyone wanting to recruit him will have to be aggressive with the NIL money.

This is exactly what has happened with a handful of guys. Is what it is, I think ND is actually doing a pretty darn good job right now of "showing not telling" but they aren't going to be competitive to players who are only looking for an NIL contract prior to signing.

We aren't really going to know where ND stands with some guys (even some commits) until after the summer. But I'm relatively confident that Freeman's "floor" is about what we were seeing for Kelly's "ceiling"... and it probably would've been a lot better were it not for some NIL factors.

 

[irishog77]

This is exactly what has happened with a handful of guys. Is what it is, I think ND is actually doing a pretty darn good job right now of "showing not telling" but they aren't going to be competitive to players who are only looking for an NIL contract prior to signing.

We aren't really going to know where ND stands with some guys (even some commits) until after the summer. But I'm relatively confident that Freeman's "floor" is about what we were seeing for Kelly's "ceiling"... and it probably would've been a lot better were it not for some NIL factors.

Is this a bit more optimistic than you portrayed regarding MF a couple months ago? Wasn't there some more worry NIL would negate MF's recruiting?

 

[ACamp1900]

Is this a bit more optimistic than you portrayed regarding MF a couple months ago? Wasn't there some more worry NIL would negate MF's recruiting?

I'm totally ready to balance out LAX on this... hold onto your butts:

I'm totally prepared for the NIL stuff to ruin what would appear to be a fast track to big wins for Freeman and ultimately derail his tenure here... The NIL stuff will get under reasonable control a year or two after Freeman is let go for some Davie level coach.

 

[IrishLax]

Is this a bit more optimistic than you portrayed regarding MF a couple months ago? Wasn't there some more worry NIL would negate MF's recruiting?

I think it's going to mitigate his recruiting prowess but I don't think it will negate it. There are a lot more guys that will want to play for him than wanted to play for Kelly AND he is casting a wider net AND he is working harder. As long as he is taking enough Plan B options, then losing guys to NIL offers is not going to put his "floor" below what we were seeing from Kelly. His biggest exposure will be schools that have holes in their recruiting classes coming in with desperate boosters at the 11th hour saying "here's $300k to sign with us next month" and he needs to make sure that he is backfilled at those positions where there is that risk.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm totally ready to balance out LAX on this... hold onto your butts:

I'm totally prepared for the NIL stuff to ruin what would appear to be a fast track to big wins for Freeman and ultimately derail his tenure here... The NIL stuff will get under reasonable control a year or two after Freeman is let go for some Davie level coach.

Sadly, this is something that could absolutely happen. I think that ND needs to give Freeman *at least* 4 years to settle in before doing something rash. But the timing really couldn't be worse for him.

 

[irishog77]

I think it's going to mitigate his recruiting prowess but I don't think it will negate it. There are a lot more guys that will want to play for him than wanted to play for Kelly AND he is casting a wider net AND he is working harder. As long as he is taking enough Plan B options, then losing guys to NIL offers is not going to put his "floor" below what we were seeing from Kelly. His biggest exposure will be schools that have holes in their recruiting classes coming in with desperate boosters at the 11th hour saying "here's $300k to sign with us next month" and he needs to make sure that he is backfilled at those positions where there is that risk.

Gotcha. Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Understand what you’re saying in response to ACamp’s post as well. Agree with you on the timing as well. The MF of today being hired at ND ~4 years ago, I think would have made most of the board even more excited. But in the age of NIL, there’s definitely more cause for concern. Unfortunately, some of that is not even of his own doing- just the landscape of college football in ‘22 compared to a few years ago.

 

[Irish du Nord]

I'm totally ready to balance out LAX on this... hold onto your butts:

I'm totally prepared for the NIL stuff to ruin what would appear to be a fast track to big wins for Freeman and ultimately derail his tenure here... The NIL stuff will get under reasonable control a year or two after Freeman is let go for some Davie level coach.

ACamp, has the prediction poll drought caused you to lose your pessimism outlet?

We’re obviously hiring Urban after Freeman

 

[ACamp1900]

ACamp, has the prediction poll drought caused you to lose your pessimism outlet?

We’re obviously hiring Urban after Freeman

I see you know me well,…

 

[dublinirish]

committed to Texas