'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[ACamp1900]

To be honest, some of us never liked this from beginning. I felt like I was pretty vocal about it. We saw this coming and talked about it at length. Yet, we were constantly reminded that Loy was confident or Sampson was confident, yada yada yada.

You forgot about Sea Turtle

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

To be honest, some of us never liked this from beginning. I felt like I was pretty vocal about it. We saw this coming and talked about it at length. Yet, we were constantly reminded that Loy was confident or Sampson was confident, yada yada yada. All the while the red flags were apparent. This is undoubtedly a stain for the staff. Frustrating as it was completely avoidable. However, I do absolve them of some responsibility due to the fact they had to deal with such dishonest people.

Yes, but also, the staff still "backed out" quite early in this process. So, they can't be faulted too hard. IF they would have taken this until November, then this happens? Yeah, that could hurt. But they didn't fall for the full on Amorion level troll.

 

[Irish'15]

meanwhile, Dante is thinking about visiting Georgetown for basketball.

 

[Luckylucci]

Yes, but also, the staff still "backed out" quite early in this process. So, they can't be faulted too hard. IF they would have taken this until November, then this happens? Yeah, that could hurt. But they didn't fall for the full on Amorion level troll.

I wouldn't agree this is early for QB recruiting. Hence why options seem very limited. If it was early, we'd have extensive, clear, and obvious options. We don't because we waited too long.

We have to call balls and strikes. After last cycle, missing on Moore and a 2023 QB's makes it a 2 year problem. Getting Carr is an amazing way to end it but it doesn't make the other 2 cycles better.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

To be honest, some of us never liked this from beginning. I felt like I was pretty vocal about it. We saw this coming and talked about it at length. Yet, we were constantly reminded that Loy was confident or Sampson was confident, yada yada yada. All the while the red flags were apparent. This is undoubtedly a stain for the staff. Frustrating as it was completely avoidable. However, I do absolve them of some responsibility due to the fact they had to deal with such dishonest people.

100%. The Moore skeptics should all quote their most prescient post from this thread for a well-deserved "told ya so." Bonus points for the earliest/ most definitive take.

Yes, but also, the staff still "backed out" quite early in this process. So, they can't be faulted too hard. IF they would have taken this until November, then this happens? Yeah, that could hurt. But they didn't fall for the full on Amorion level troll.

Also true. The only thing that ultimately matters is what the roster looks like come opening day. If we end up with a reclassified Carr and Sayin, no one will care about the Moore debacle. Past coaching staffs wouldn't have even been in it for Moore, and had they somehow received his behind-scenes-assurances anyway, they'd likely have naively held onto it before getting burned at the 11th hour. Glad to see MF & Co. are wiser to the game than Kelly was.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I think the timing of the Carr commitment and the update on Moore (basically not coming here) is too convenient. Its a nice way for the staff to attempt to salvage a narrative that in reality is a massive fuck up in 2023 QB recruiting.

 

[NDPhilly]

Hypothetically if Buchner can't put it together and we can't get an elite 2023 QB, we are going to be depending on erratic QB play / transfers / a freshman Carr through 2024. Better to not think about it.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I wouldn't agree this is early for QB recruiting. Hence why options seem very limited. If it was early, we'd have extensive, clear, and obvious options. We don't because we waited too long.

We have to call balls and strikes. After last cycle, missing on Moore and a 2023 QB's makes it a 2 year problem. Getting Carr is an amazing way to end it but it doesn't make the other 2 cycles better.

remember when ND got Wimbush to decommit?
This cycle isn't over

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Hypothetically if Buchner can't put it together and we can't get an elite 2023 QB, we are going to be depending on erratic QB play / transfers / a freshman Carr through 2024. Better to not think about it.

But what if an asteroid hits?
*tucks tail and runs/hides*

 

[Irish'15]

There's not another '23 QB we've got a shot at who's remotely as good as Sayin, so I'd be confirming whether or not Carr can reclassify before I start scrambling for a depth piece.

'23 Carr + '24 Sayin >>> '24 Carr + whoever we'd settle on for '23.

I would guess the staff knows the answer to this.

 

[Luckylucci]

remember when ND got Wimbush to decommit?
This cycle isn't over

We'll cross that bridge and discuss when we get there. For now, we have no Wimbush flipped and an empty spot at the top of the 2023 class. It's a total zero on this one.

 

[Dale]

Hypothetically if Buchner can't put it together and we can't get an elite 2023 QB, we are going to be depending on erratic QB play / transfers / a freshman Carr through 2024. Better to not think about it.

Hypothetically if everything goes bad it’ll be bad, yes.

 

[NDMD]

You forgot about Sea Turtle

Quite Frankly Im SHOCKED he was FOS

 

[Crimson streak]

I wouldn’t be shocked if the back up plan to Moore is having Carr reclassify and possibly adding Sayin in 24’ honestly I’d rather have Carr and sayin over Moore


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[Blazers46]

In this golden era of college football you can expect a boatload of QB transfers after the 22 season. Get a one and done transfer for 2023 season if Carr isnt here and if TB12 does not work out. You almost have to expect someone from our QB depth chart to bounce too, right? IF TB12 is our guy in 22 why would Pyne stick around?

 

[INLaw]

To be honest, some of us never liked this from beginning. I felt like I was pretty vocal about it. We saw this coming and talked about it at length. Yet, we were constantly reminded that Loy was confident or Sampson was confident, yada yada yada. All the while the red flags were apparent. This is undoubtedly a stain for the staff. Frustrating as it was completely avoidable. However, I do absolve them of some responsibility due to the fact they had to deal with such dishonest people.

I acknowledge your correctness from the beginning

 

[INLaw]

Yes, but also, the staff still "backed out" quite early in this process. So, they can't be faulted too hard. IF they would have taken this until November, then this happens? Yeah, that could hurt. But they didn't fall for the full on Amorion level troll.

Half an Amorion beats the piss out of the full McGregor.

 

[Calabrese's People]

You were way too into the hottest chick in school. She was flirting with all the party boys, and talking about a guy she's seeing who's playing baseball in Texas (But he's really a backups backup at Blinn Community College who follows 4200 blondes on Instagram). She keeps promising to cut everyone off and go see Top Gun with you, but wont make concrete plans. Now she says she'll definitely start dating you when she comes back from her trip to Daytona Beach this summer (Dont say anything though, because shes told eveyone she's going to Cabo....she trusts you because your not like the other guys...). She not in the right headspace to commit to a long term relationship. Thats fine.

Do we simp? Fuck that.

So you start dating the cute, smart girl who everyone likes (Who everyone knows is going to be an absolute smokeshow when she gets older). She is likes going for hikes and seems committed to seeing where this relationship will go. You know you dont have to attend every party in town to impress her, you two can just chill on the couch in your sweats read a book and be happy. You focus on hitting the gym, being a good friend, doing well in school and becoming the best version of yourself that you can.

Good decision. Adult decision.

Lots can change in the future. You might even get a crying voicemail randomly at 4.40 am on a Sunday about how shes stuck in Florida and its skeezy and she just misses you, but thats a problem for future-hypothetical you.

You're doing good. Im proud of you.

 

[Blazers46]

I think Michigan deserves Moore and Moore deserves Michigan. A head coach and QB that really dont want to be there.... should turn out well.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Hypothetically if Buchner can't put it together and we can't get an elite 2023 QB, we are going to be depending on erratic QB play / transfers / a freshman Carr through 2024. Better to not think about it.

I understand you said hypothetically, but you're by far the first person to worry that Buchner might not pan out.

I don't understand that fear/logic. He was a true freshman last year and hadn't played football in 24 months before last September due to CA's canceled COVID season in 2020.

BK also completely misused him in the Cincy game putting him in against that defense.

Imagine if people gave up on Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen after their pedestrian freshman seasons, which were by far worse than Buchner's.
Keep the faith. Tommy chose Buchner for a reason. He will be much improved in '22.

 

[Ophiocordyceps]

There are other fish in the sea.

It’s a free site where bait fish can post.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Quite Frankly Im SHOCKED he was FOS

It was obvious from the beginning but he played it well.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think Michigan deserves Moore and Moore deserves Michigan. A head coach and QB that really dont want to be there.... should turn out well.

Whoa. I know we're all frustrated with the kid, but I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Moore deserves better.

 

[Irish'15]

get Carr in ‘23 asap. ND needs to get this done. Then take Sayin.

 

[Irish'15]

I understand you said hypothetically, but you're by far the first person to worry that Buchner might not pan out.

I don't understand that fear/logic. He was a true freshman last year and hadn't played football in 24 months before last September due to CA's canceled COVID season in 2020.

BK also completely misused him in the Cincy game putting him in against that defense.

Imagine if people gave up on Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen after their pedestrian freshman seasons, which were by far worse than Buchner's.
Keep the faith. Tommy chose Buchner for a reason. He will be much improved in '22.

Not only had he forgone his senior season, he bailed out, on multiple occasions, a team led by a now NFL quarterback. He passed at 60% efficiency, ran and passed for several touchdowns. He was always a loose cannon when he was on the field. 1 miss away from a 60 yard touchdown. At the same rate, his freshman mistakes were pretty normal and minimal altogether. He didn’t even know what he was doing and he was that good. He has the potential to be the best QB we have had in my lifetime and I’m 40. If he improves even 10% in that efficiency range he’s a Heisman candidate. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t run for 800+ and pass for over 3,000. His true freshman season was better than Bryce Young. He has more promise than Dante Moore and it’s not even close.

 

[ColinKSU]

To be honest, some of us never liked this from beginning. I felt like I was pretty vocal about it. We saw this coming and talked about it at length. Yet, we were constantly reminded that Loy was confident or Sampson was confident, yada yada yada. All the while the red flags were apparent. This is undoubtedly a stain for the staff. Frustrating as it was completely avoidable. However, I do absolve them of some responsibility due to the fact they had to deal with such dishonest people.

This. It was frustrating to read all the “insiders” and talking heads confidently say Moore was ND despite the actual words and actions from him and his camp saying the opposite.

 

[irishff1014]

To be honest, some of us never liked this from beginning. I felt like I was pretty vocal about it. We saw this coming and talked about it at length. Yet, we were constantly reminded that Loy was confident or Sampson was confident, yada yada yada. All the while the red flags were apparent. This is undoubtedly a stain for the staff. Frustrating as it was completely avoidable. However, I do absolve them of some responsibility due to the fact they had to deal with such dishonest people.

2nd this.

 

[ulukinatme]

Here is the skinny on Dante Moore as far as I know:
1. He absolutely, 100% told ND coaches that he was coming. Call it a silent commitment or whatever, but he told them he was in but wanted to finish his visits before announcing.
2. He started going on his world tour of NIL schools and basically each one offered him a bag thinking he would commit and then he was like "nah I'm good." This is why so many schools were like "cautiously optimistic" and then went to "we aren't getting him, he must be locked in somewhere else (i.e. ND)" as soon as he turned down the money.
3. Many schools saw their only angle to be to neg recruit ND about their new, inexperienced staff and try to convince him to extend the process into the season to see the product on the field. I do not know the extent to which he was taking this to heart, but his public comments after some visits made it seem like he was buying the idea that extending the process could only help him.
4. The bigger issue is that by 1) showing tons of interest in NIL 2) focusing so much of his most recent visit to ND on NIL 3) waffling like crazy about his timeline... unless you are a rube, you have to start considering the potential that you're going to get dropped at the 11th hour for the "highest bidder" even if he did commit to ND.

At this point, I expect him to end up at LSU or Miami. He could end up at ND still, but he's being advised very poorly to end up anywhere that can't just sit on their hands and have their collectives engage in a bidding war. Miami did the right thing taking a contingency plan at QB and saying "well if you want our money, it'll still be here later in the cycle." LSU doing the same thing because they signed a 5-star last year. Those seem like the two schools that won't be turned off by his antics.

That was my worry months and months ago when everyone seemed to be on the Moore or bust wagon, damn all others. If Carr is pulling the trigger for us Thursday then all that worry goes away...especially if he ends up joining this next class.

Avery Johnson has long been a target on the board for Rees. He was lock city if Rees pushed for him following his last visit. But once we got to evaluate more guys he moved down the board.

Rickie Collins is just a guy I like that’s getting a lot of big time attention. Apparently Ohio State is kicking the tires on him. He’s a quality prospect. And, yes, the competition for these two isn’t so fierce that we couldn’t make a late run. But, that’ll have to start soon.

Word was that Avery and Rees were tight too, but the whole Dante thing kind of blew that up.

100%. The Moore skeptics should all quote their most prescient post from this thread for a well-deserved "told ya so." Bonus points for the earliest/ most definitive take.

I've had doubts at least since March 28th. Didn't understand why we had all our eggs in the Moore basket with other good talent that was interested:

So you're saying ND fans are at the mercy of a 16 year old? Yeah, maybe we take Vizzina if he wants in. Fans putting all their money and gambling on a 16 year old that may not even pan out...I dunno.

 

[jason_h537]

My thinking is that when Moore made that mid week visit with the entire staff, he was there to commit. But he wanted to take OV's. ND doesn't allow OV's so they said, you take your visits, come back in June and make it public. You are our guy. Gentleman's agreement. But then he started talking about extending his recruitment through summer, then fall, then he isn't even visiting ND in June.

But reality is none of us know what really happened. They loved Arnold but he was all OU, they loved Vizinna but was leaning Clemson, Moore was their number 1 guy and they thought they had him. Recruiting is about relationships, and every relationship is different. It is easy to second guess from the sideline.

 

[mcbri014]

There are other fish in the sea.

And hopefully one less turtle…