'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

[du Lac]

You say that, but this job hasn't been kind to the successful.

He aint slowing down...

 

[du Lac]

I guess we know where he's going to be September 3

 

[irishff1014]

Surprise surprise

 

[du Lac]

Surprise surprise

I do wish that game was at home.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Surprise surprise

let it go Luke.

 

[arahop]

The whole premise is that players can be compensated for their name, image, and likeness in a free open market

Free open markets by nature are not "even playing fields"

Some of the schools are inevitably going to have more money to throw around than others--so that will never be "even"

And attempting to place caps on how much a player can get compensated or team can payout violates the very spirit of the rule

If you're speaking "even" for applying the rules--well the NCAA is letting pretty much any school do anything they want, so no issues there

The NCAA right now is a feckless organization on its deathbed and is only in existence while the B10 and SEC decide how they want to structure things with a new organization

The colleges and universities are going to end up costing themselves $$billions by caving to NIL. One of the most costly business decisions ever

Are Iowa or Washington fans going to give two shits about football once they figure out their teams in no way, shape, or form have the funds to compete? Under the old system their fans at least had the illusion. Now its completely pointless for them

There's going to be entire athletic departments going under because the football revenue is going to dry up

And when only about 12 teams fanbases believe their school actually has a shot to win anything--the TV contracts are going to shrink massively because viewership is going to drop like a rock

ND will posture for a few years but eventually go all in on NIL too. Probably around the time they join a conference. And so will be fine

But there is going to be massive fallout from this for all the have-nots

Spot on everything and my question to ND is what the fuck are we waiting for. This is where it's going. Option 2 is to play Harvard and Princeton every year. The NCAA is a spineless facade of an organization that was never capable in the first place. Capitalism and the money trail and the all mighty dollar has eaten up sports in a lot of ways. Lots of collateral damage will ensure in the college game.

Slightly off topic, Hell, I want to boycott the NFL for this ridiculous DeShuan Watson ruling but that first week I'll put it in the back of my mind. I would hate to be a Browns fan but most of them don't care.
If you have money you can make it all go away, short of murder. Heard on a podcast that Jeffrey Epstein had a office at Harvard up until 2018 because he donated 8 million to them., Amazing, even after he had been found guilty of his pedophile shit. Sports is where we used to go to get a way from real life and it's stresses. Money and greed has a way of ruining all that was good.

 

[ulukinatme]

Spot on everything and my question to ND is what the fuck are we waiting for. This is where it's going. Option 2 is to play Harvard and Princeton every year. The NCAA is a spineless facade of an organization that was never capable in the first place. Capitalism and the money trail and the all mighty dollar has eaten up sports in a lot of ways. Lots of collateral damage will ensure in the college game.

Slightly off topic, Hell, I want to boycott the NFL for this ridiculous DeShuan Watson ruling but that first week I'll put it in the back of my mind. I would hate to be a Browns fan but most of them don't care.
If you have money you can make it all go away, short of murder. Heard on a podcast that Jeffrey Epstein had a office at Harvard up until 2018 because he donated 8 million to them., Amazing, even after he had been found guilty of his pedophile shit. Sports is where we used to go to get a way from real life and it's stresses. Money and greed has a way of ruining all that was good.

Na, fam. A lot of fans were not in favor of bringing Watson in and many still aren't. I'm one of those, although these days I tend to stick to college more than NFL.

 

[9_To_Your_Temple_Presto]

Lots of collateral damage will ensure in the college game.

Yep

The problem was/is you had lots of really dumb people from congressmen to academic types to media talking heads conflating issues

Collegiate athletics are not intended to be profit generating businesses. Colleges and universities are not-for-profit business formations as granted by IRS and Treasury Dept

That one college sport happens to generate large amounts of revenue (not profit) is really of no matter because there isn't a for profit ownership structure in place

No one person/family/ownership group is "profiting off the backs" of college athletes

The revenue is recycled back into the school/athletic departments for capital expenditures, operating costs, scholarship programs, etc

Nobody is distributing out the capital of a university to shareholders/individuals

People like to point out the significant pay of coaches--well they're just employees of the school and the more successful the team the more revenue gets generated for the university to fund its operations

The athletes are students, not employees and therefore should not be paid nor entitled to payment from the university

Just a couple simple talking points could have easily dissuaded all this NIL whining and weathered the little 15 minute news cycle it was receiving:

1- Nobody is holding a gun to any of these kids heads and forcing them to be indentured servants to the universities. If they're getting such a raw deal they're fully free to find something else to do with their lives

2- The universities/colleges and the fans emotional connections to those institutions is what drives the revenue/interest--not the individual players/talent. This can be easily seen thru all the various failed professional leagues which would have talent on the balance comparable to college game. Is any Bama fan going to be a diehard Keon Keeley fan if he ends up going to ND? Is some investment group going to pool money together and start a pro league with Keon Keeley as the league star?

3- Very few corporations actually invest money in any one individual athlete's NIL--especially football players. How many NFL players have endorsement deals? Mahommes, Rodgers, Brady, a few more? That all these college athletes are somehow getting screwed out of $$millions in the open market is laughable

4- NIL would just become a proxy for giving student athletes a salary and totally undermines universities [[insert some lame mission statement here]]

This whole NIL structure is going to blow up in schools faces. They needed to realize that the revenue/interest was derived from fans emotional connection to the school and hope for success on the field for the given school

Strip that hope away and facade of a level playing field (even if it didn't actually exist in reality) and sorry--there will no longer be a womens field hockey team at Rutgers nor will that new fancy administration building be getting constructed at Oregon State

Funny thing is that the same people that were whining about how "unfair" no NIL rule was will be the same people whining about how schools are shutting down all the non-revenue generating sports

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

 

[9_To_Your_Temple_Presto]

or you need to calm your pud. You are a bit extreme on your emotional views. They are ranked number one in 2023 and 2024 so far. Yes, kids might switch...but you seem like one that puckers pretty quick.

Bro, can I pretty pretty please post what I want?

Or do I need to submit all my drafts to you first?

Go creep on someone else for awhile you weirdo lolzzzzz

 

[9_To_Your_Temple_Presto]

Why do you deserve this admission? I am new, and I don't need that. Why cant you just accept how the site is and deal with it and not try and prove some point. This site is free. The people that run it, do a lot for free. Not sure why you are entitled to some apologies around here.

I did it because I could, it was fun, and was in my best interest

I'm going to be a negative poster here and therefore it was beneficial for me to get an accredited and respected mod to admit that negative posters are held to a different standard

He will also afford me a much longer leash going forward now because of this admission. I flipped dude from a "GTFO" to a "Stick around"

 

[ulukinatme]

Why do you deserve this admission? I am new, and I don't need that. Why cant you just accept how the site is and deal with it and not try and prove some point. This site is free. The people that run it, do a lot for free. Not sure why you are entitled to some apologies around here.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Absolutely. I understand our fans apprehension about NIL but I could do a projected cost analysis on apparel alone to warrant the pay for these high end recruits alone. I went to Holy Cross and transferred after that ship sailed. Couldn't get in at Notre Dame. I'm not salty about it. I spent too much time chasing tail in high school and not giving my school work 100%. " Not a day goes by that I don't regret it." I Love ND with all of my heart. Guys like Rice, Zorich, etc didn't devalue an ND Degree whatsoever.

Point is if we ever want to see those Gold helmets run out in the sun...As returning National Champions, it's going to take people to get on board with something that is absolutely within the rules now. It's also going to take a shift in most of the alumni and fans way of thinking. People shouldn't have to get on a soap box and explain why ND needs to adapt and evolve. Not saying we have to sell our souls, but just ask yourself what you would do if your son was the "3 ranked player in the country at the most important defensive position? They are worth every penny they get from the NIL and arguably more. The Hardest thing to do is get a person to change they way they think and adapt to what's going on. It's time for ND to compete and that doesn't compromise ANY mission that the University stands for IMO. Once again ask yourselves what would the University be without the the tradition and history of the football program? I don't love the NIL but I believe in responsible capitalism and a Notre Dame Football program that is King of the Mountain stands on a mountain of a lot more cash and monetary value than the alternative, which in return can be allocated to a lot more worthwhile human endeavors while supporting the Football program.

Great post.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I guess we know where he's going to be September 3

Sure feels like a so-called Official Visit. Will Keon have yet another Presser with ND, OSU and Bama hats on the table??😳😳😳

 

[IrishLion]

I did it because I could, it was fun, and was in my best interest

I'm going to be a negative poster here and therefore it was beneficial for me to get an accredited and respected mod to admit that negative posters are held to a different standard

He will also afford me a much longer leash going forward now because of this admission. I flipped dude from a "GTFO" to a "Stick around"

His very first post told you negative posters are held to a higher standard!

You have no leash. Every dork like you who shows up and tries to act like he's smarter than the board is told to tone it down, find the pulse of the board, or hit the road.

But we prefer if you stick around, because we like talking football, and if you can stop being such an insufferable dweeb, we might find that you have something to offer besides a generally shitty disposition towards ND recruiting, football, and other people in general (doubting it at the moment, but we'll see!)

 

[NDpendent]

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[WildMan1]

It’s also going to blow up in the boosters faces.. how many 5 stars don’t pan out?

Tons.. and 4 stars ever more so. The amount of money that will be funneled to unrealized potential is going to be insane.

And what happens when the lowly 4 or 3 ends up being one of the best players on the team & some bust on the sideline made 5x the NIL they did?

They’re going to want to get paid.. that transfer portal is going to busier than ever.

Are they attaching statistical clauses to this upfront money? Not if it’s technically against the rules.

There’s only one NC.. what happens when the bags have been heavy for a few years & there’s no trophy in the lobby?

 

[PutuporShutup]

It’s also going to blow up in the boosters faces.. how many 5 stars don’t pan out?

Tons.. and 4 stars ever more so. The amount of money that will be funneled to unrealized potential is going to be insane.

And what happens when the lowly 4 or 3 ends up being one of the best players on the team & some bust on the sideline made 5x the NIL they did?

They’re going to want to get paid.. that transfer portal is going to busier than ever.

Are they attaching statistical clauses to this upfront money? Not if it’s technically against the rules.

There’s only one NC.. what happens when the bags have been heavy for a few years & there’s no trophy in the lobby?

There’s no shortage of money. It won’t blow up in there face money wise. Only way it blows up is if there team gets worse when spending tons of money.

 

[Irish#1]

Yep and read it again. It’s like saying defund the police then police are gone then their is crime so you deputize people with the power to make arrests, give them tools to do their jobs and invent a name that isn’t police to just have police again. It’s like the intellectual argument that socialism does work but it’s just never been done right. The problem with the NCAA was that it’s rules were sometimes vague and capricious and it’s enforcement was slap dash and biased. Does that not sound like every large organization/bureaucracy that ever existed. So eliminate it and replace it with NCAAA or whatever you call it and you will have the same problems

NCAA can get some of its clout back if Emmert's replacement has some balls, understands the current landscape and has a little salesman in them.

 

[stlnd01]

Yep

The problem was/is you had lots of really dumb people from congressmen to academic types to media talking heads conflating issues

Collegiate athletics are not intended to be profit generating businesses. Colleges and universities are not-for-profit business formations as granted by IRS and Treasury Dept

That one college sport happens to generate large amounts of revenue (not profit) is really of no matter because there isn't a for profit ownership structure in place

No one person/family/ownership group is "profiting off the backs" of college athletes

The revenue is recycled back into the school/athletic departments for capital expenditures, operating costs, scholarship programs, etc

Nobody is distributing out the capital of a university to shareholders/individuals

People like to point out the significant pay of coaches--well they're just employees of the school and the more successful the team the more revenue gets generated for the university to fund its operations

The athletes are students, not employees and therefore should not be paid nor entitled to payment from the university

Just a couple simple talking points could have easily dissuaded all this NIL whining and weathered the little 15 minute news cycle it was receiving:

1- Nobody is holding a gun to any of these kids heads and forcing them to be indentured servants to the universities. If they're getting such a raw deal they're fully free to find something else to do with their lives

2- The universities/colleges and the fans emotional connections to those institutions is what drives the revenue/interest--not the individual players/talent. This can be easily seen thru all the various failed professional leagues which would have talent on the balance comparable to college game. Is any Bama fan going to be a diehard Keon Keeley fan if he ends up going to ND? Is some investment group going to pool money together and start a pro league with Keon Keeley as the league star?

3- Very few corporations actually invest money in any one individual athlete's NIL--especially football players. How many NFL players have endorsement deals? Mahommes, Rodgers, Brady, a few more? That all these college athletes are somehow getting screwed out of $$millions in the open market is laughable

4- NIL would just become a proxy for giving student athletes a salary and totally undermines universities [[insert some lame mission statement here]]

This whole NIL structure is going to blow up in schools faces. They needed to realize that the revenue/interest was derived from fans emotional connection to the school and hope for success on the field for the given school

Strip that hope away and facade of a level playing field (even if it didn't actually exist in reality) and sorry--there will no longer be a womens field hockey team at Rutgers nor will that new fancy administration building be getting constructed at Oregon State

Funny thing is that the same people that were whining about how "unfair" no NIL rule was will be the same people whining about how schools are shutting down all the non-revenue generating sports

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

Good post. More like that please

You're absolutely right that the real value in college football is the emotional connection between fans and universities and the more you mess with that the more you risk killing the golden goose. Handing $500,000 or whatever to a 17-year-old who in most cases will be some marginal player with zero name recognition beyond fans of his own team makes no sense from a market perspective.

I'd just add that if the universities hadn't been so short-sighted and greedy a decade ago and given players a cut of video game revenue and maybe jersey sales, I think a lot of this would have been avoided. But here we are.

 

[Irish#1]

There’s no shortage of money. It won’t blow up in there face money wise. Only way it blows up is if there team gets worse when spending tons of money.

There's no shortage, but these donors that are doling out these wads of cash are probably going to reign in their spending some once we get some data collected and they see the ROI. Particularly the 5* QB's that don't end up walking on water.

 

[Domina Nostra]

It’s also going to blow up in the boosters faces.. how many 5 stars don’t pan out?

Tons.. and 4 stars ever more so. The amount of money that will be funneled to unrealized potential is going to be insane.

And what happens when the lowly 4 or 3 ends up being one of the best players on the team & some bust on the sideline made 5x the NIL they did?

They’re going to want to get paid.. that transfer portal is going to busier than ever.

Are they attaching statistical clauses to this upfront money? Not if it’s technically against the rules.

There’s only one NC.. what happens when the bags have been heavy for a few years & there’s no trophy in the lobby?

This is the truth. Fans care about recruiting rankings. You can talk all days about 5-stars panning out at a higher rate than 3 stars, but it’s still relatively low.

Boosters want results. No one wants to be the guy who paid $1M for Gunner Kiel or Ishaw Williams or Dane Croat to have come to, say, Tennessee.

 

[Irish#1]

This is priceless. You've been complaining that Freeman isn't getting enough 4 & 5* guys and now this from the M'Pemba thread? Can't wait to see how you rationalize this. lol

Miami

Oregon

Tennessee

These are Red Flag Schools--time to move on

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Anyone else notice that On3 is running a lot of the Keon flipping to Bama stuff, just about the same time that the independent Bama insider page made the jump to, you guessed it... On3?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Yep

The problem was/is you had lots of really dumb people from congressmen to academic types to media talking heads conflating issues

Collegiate athletics are not intended to be profit generating businesses. Colleges and universities are not-for-profit business formations as granted by IRS and Treasury Dept

That one college sport happens to generate large amounts of revenue (not profit) is really of no matter because there isn't a for profit ownership structure in place

No one person/family/ownership group is "profiting off the backs" of college athletes

The revenue is recycled back into the school/athletic departments for capital expenditures, operating costs, scholarship programs, etc

Nobody is distributing out the capital of a university to shareholders/individuals

People like to point out the significant pay of coaches--well they're just employees of the school and the more successful the team the more revenue gets generated for the university to fund its operations

The athletes are students, not employees and therefore should not be paid nor entitled to payment from the university

Just a couple simple talking points could have easily dissuaded all this NIL whining and weathered the little 15 minute news cycle it was receiving:

1- Nobody is holding a gun to any of these kids heads and forcing them to be indentured servants to the universities. If they're getting such a raw deal they're fully free to find something else to do with their lives

2- The universities/colleges and the fans emotional connections to those institutions is what drives the revenue/interest--not the individual players/talent. This can be easily seen thru all the various failed professional leagues which would have talent on the balance comparable to college game. Is any Bama fan going to be a diehard Keon Keeley fan if he ends up going to ND? Is some investment group going to pool money together and start a pro league with Keon Keeley as the league star?

3- Very few corporations actually invest money in any one individual athlete's NIL--especially football players. How many NFL players have endorsement deals? Mahommes, Rodgers, Brady, a few more? That all these college athletes are somehow getting screwed out of $$millions in the open market is laughable

4- NIL would just become a proxy for giving student athletes a salary and totally undermines universities [[insert some lame mission statement here]]

This whole NIL structure is going to blow up in schools faces. They needed to realize that the revenue/interest was derived from fans emotional connection to the school and hope for success on the field for the given school

Strip that hope away and facade of a level playing field (even if it didn't actually exist in reality) and sorry--there will no longer be a womens field hockey team at Rutgers nor will that new fancy administration building be getting constructed at Oregon State

Funny thing is that the same people that were whining about how "unfair" no NIL rule was will be the same people whining about how schools are shutting down all the non-revenue generating sports

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

TL;DR, for like te 8th time

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Anyone else notice that On3 is running a lot of the Keon flipping to Bama stuff, just about the same time that the independent Bama insider page made the jump to, you guessed it... On3?

So what I'm gathering from this and from On3 trying to piss ND off with the Bowen flipping to OU stuff is that On3 is sketchy.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

So what I'm gathering from this and from On3 trying to piss ND off with the Bowen flipping to OU stuff is that On3 is sketchy.

No, on3 is just trying to get clicks. I don't think they're trying to piss ND off. If anything, it could possibly help the recruits seeing fake news being spit out, maybe.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

No, on3 is just trying to get clicks. I don't think they're trying to piss ND off. If anything, it could possibly help the recruits seeing fake news being spit out, maybe.

I think it goes to show that ND is ummm Relevant?

 

[PutuporShutup]

There's no shortage, but these donors that are doling out these wads of cash are probably going to reign in their spending some once we get some data collected and they see the ROI. Particularly the 5* QB's that don't end up walking on water.

I don't know. I think they know if they pay 15 new players every year some/most will pan out if they are top recruits. If they keep doing it and are allowed to the teams will win more games. Talent wins.

The money that can be invested or is out there is almost endless to an extent. If ND wanted to every player could be getting 100k annually.

 

[PutuporShutup]

This is priceless. You've been complaining that Freeman isn't getting enough 4 & 5* guys and now this from the M'Pemba thread? Can't wait to see how you rationalize this. lol

I don't think we should give up on M'Pemba but if 3 of the teams he's considering are the ones shelling out the most money upfront, yeah it should absolutely be a watch out to the coaches.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I don't think we should give up on M'Pemba but if 3 of the teams he's considering are the ones shelling out the most money upfront, yeah it should absolutely be a watch out to the coaches.

How are you going from "Time to move on" to "be a watch out to the coaches"?