'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

[Dale]

he finds it funny Keon’s mom does interviews with other sites.

ISDs interview with Peyton’s mom give him a chuckle too?

 

[ab2cmiller]

I think he’s wrong about the amount that went onto the NFL. Just going back to 2014 I counted 7: Nick Martin, Bennett Jackson, Julian Love, Alohi Gilman, JOK, Ian Book, Ade Ogundeji. There’s also a slew of players ranked outside the top 300 3 stars but were still composite 4 stars that got drafted.

I didn’t go back before 2014, but, I’d assume some of those drafted in the 12 years before that were 3 stars.

I'd be shocked if Gilman met the definition since he was a transfer. I'd bet money they are only talking about the kids that ND recruited.

Edit: Fixed it at Shutup's request. Also like notredomer23's post

 

[du Lac]

It’s time to stop recruiting kids with helicopter parents that mention $. They’re only in it for NIL. On the job training for MF.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I'd be shocked if Gilman met the definition since he was a transfer. I'd bet money they are only talking about the kids that ND recruited.

i'm either going to need you to quote me or like my post first........

 

[Dale]

It’s time to stop recruiting kids with helicopter parents. They’re only in it for NIL.

We should also consider not posting things about prospects parents unless we’re very sure and multiple sourced that they are an issue (ex Dante) since they undoubtedly visit this site. This isn’t directed at the above, but the parent talk with NIL has been slinging heavy lately and used to be temporary ban territory. Some parents absolutely should be managing their sons recruitments, they are their parents after all, it’s to what extent or how they’ve done so with our coaches that is or is not an issue.

 

[PutuporShutup]

It’s time to stop recruiting kids with helicopter parents. They’re only in it for NIL.

probably 75% of the top 100.... i'm not sayin only in it for NIL, but parents heavily involved is significant as it should be.

 

[IrishFanForever23]

I wish the coaches had the balls to dump them. Literally rescind the offer. They pretend certain kids are “ND kids” but then they get played like a fiddle and chase them like lost puppies. Reminder: ND is far bigger than you.

Come on man. These guys are difference makers. You want to win it all, these are the guys you need to get. If they were Bama and could afford to lose out on them because they have another player just like you waiting to commit, then I’d agree with you. I mean, we’re talking about potentially the #1 player in the country by the time his senior season is over.

 

[du Lac]

Come on man. These guys are difference makers. You want to win it all, these are the guys you need to get. If they were Bama and could afford to lose out on them because they have another player just like you waiting to commit, then I’d agree with you. I mean, we’re talking about potentially the #1 player in the country by the time his senior season is over.

If you’re not getting him what’s the difference?

 

[317Irish]

If you’re not getting him what’s the difference?

It’s just a really bad take man. If you follow recruiting (even prior to NIL) you know that these top athletes can be hard to hold onto for a variety of reasons. IMO kids from Florida and California for whatever reason add an additional level of difficult to hold onto. You can either stop recruiting 5* recruits and see where that gets you or you can take your shots and stick it out in hopes that you will land some here and there.

 

[stlnd01]

If you’re not getting him what’s the difference?

If you know you’re not getting him, sure you dump him. But when it’s four-plus months to Signing Day and yeah the kid’s looking around but also he’s still talking to you and “wants to be Irish” as has been said about both Keeley and Bowen in the last two days, you keep working on him, because you don’t really “know” anything yet.

What you’re suggesting is basically what BK did in the second half of his tenure - prioritize fit, avoid any drama, lock down your class by Labor Day - and the entire case for hiring Freeman was he was going to upgrade our recruiting. Fights like this one are what upgrading our recruiting looks like.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Need to be 7-1 heading into Clemson. BYU is the only team that should even have a shot of giving us any trouble after OSU and before Clemson. But we have a bye leading into BYU so really no excuse there either.

ND plays well vs OSU, goes 10-2 regular season, keeps our top committs....... 24 class explodes

Was that so hard?

lol. I agree

 

[ACamp1900]

Was that so hard?

lol. I agree

Too bad we will be 3-5 heading into BYU

 

[du Lac]

If you know you’re not getting him, sure you dump him. But when it’s four-plus months to Signing Day and yeah the kid’s looking around but also he’s still talking to you and “wants to be Irish” as has been said about both Keeley and Bowen in the last two days, you keep working on him, because you don’t really “know” anything yet.

What you’re suggesting is basically what BK did in the second half of his tenure - prioritize fit, avoid any drama, lock down your class by Labor Day - and the entire case for hiring Freeman was he was going to upgrade our recruiting. Fights like this one are what upgrading our recruiting looks like.

Agree. You got to play it through but if you’re clearly getting played like a bitch it’s a bad look to chase.

 

[9_To_Your_Temple_Presto]

Bama got to Momma via the bags

People make up their minds and then justify their actions after the fact

Talking about 1st round pick and those very specific majors are no doubt verbatim Bama pitches from the visit

Sounds like they'll swing down to Miami to see what's good with their NIL package

No sane person is going to turn down up front money Keeley is likely getting pitched

ND administration needs to grow up and start acting like rational strategic decision makers

 

[du Lac]

Bama got to Momma via the bags

People make up their minds and then justify their actions after the fact

Talking about 1st round pick and those very specific majors are no doubt verbatim Bama pitches from the visit

Sounds like they'll swing down to Miami to see what's good with their NIL package

No sane person is going to turn down up front money Keeley is likely getting pitched

ND administration needs to grow up and start acting like rational strategic decision makers

I’d much much rather see ND go all NIL over changing academic standards. I have 0 issue with paying kids that generate massive revenue for the school. I have a major problem with bending academics. Not paying is like refusing a Jumbotron. Just ignorant. What I have a slight issue with is offering money to pay minors. But that’s another discussion. I do not think there should be any talk of NIL until after your freshman year and generate wealth for a university. Then NIL talk and even paying in retrospect to the first year.

 

[irish o'phile]

This is what recruiting will be like unless ND modifies their approach with NIL or NIL is brought under control somehow. The question is is there a way to stay competitive without outright breaking the rules.

 

[du Lac]

This is what recruiting will be like unless ND modifies their approach with NIL or NIL is brought under control somehow. The question is is there a way to stay competitive without outright breaking the rules.

I think a top 10 class shows we are surviving. I think if NIL comes under regulation, which inevitably will as all things do, it will benefit ND. To me, being that it’s the least regulated sport in the world and exclusively involves minors is troubling.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Too bad we will be 3-5 heading into BYU

Wait, is that ND’s supposed record? Or the IE record on new members?

 

[Deirishpisser]

Bama got to Momma via the bags

People make up their minds and then justify their actions after the fact

Talking about 1st round pick and those very specific majors are no doubt verbatim Bama pitches from the visit

Sounds like they'll swing down to Miami to see what's good with their NIL package

No sane person is going to turn down up front money Keeley is likely getting pitched

ND administration needs to grow up and start acting like rational strategic decision makers

or you need to calm your pud. You are a bit extreme on your emotional views. They are ranked number one in 2023 and 2024 so far. Yes, kids might switch...but you seem like one that puckers pretty quick.

 

[GATTACA!]

I wish the coaches had the balls to dump them. Literally rescind the offer. They pretend certain kids are “ND kids” but then they get played like a fiddle and chase them like lost puppies. Reminder: ND is far bigger than you.

To what end?

 

[lcaps20]

To what end?

None. The same guys who complain about 10-2 and demand national championships are the same ones preaching that ND should drop a top 10 DE and a top 50 safety.

Kelly decided he didn't want to deal with these type of recruitments when he changed his strategy up and started "shopping down a different aisle". If Freeman wants a natty there's going to be a lot more recruitments that resemble Keeley's and Bowens

 

[du Lac]

To what end?

If you’re asking to what end is ND as an institution greater than a 17 year old the answer goes without saying. If you’re disagreeing that I think we should dump a kid if he’s disrespecting the university, lying to coaches, or is playing the school for NIL and has nearly 0 chance of signing, then that’s an acceptable disagreement. I am not ready to say we should dump either. It’s a general thought. By “them” I generally mean kids that play with the university. Dante comes to mind. They chased him until the day he committed to OR and looked like chumps not locking anyone else up. Now if you’re a fan of all in recruitment, that’s fine. I’m not. If said recruits end up signing, I’ll likely change my tune, but I’m not betting on it.

 

[INLaw]

At some point I thought I remembered there at least in theory being NIL disclosure rules. Am I completely wrong, was that an idea that didn’t take root, or is it just ignored?

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

ND can’t compete with this. If they are not offering NIL then stop being the safetynet for recruits. That’s what we turned into

 

[indianamouse]

No offense, but all this negativity about Notre Dame with NIL makes me think I’m reading a Michigan blog about the wolverines

 

[lcaps20]

If you’re asking to what end is ND as an institution greater than a 17 year old the answer goes without saying. If you’re disagreeing that I think we should dump a kid if he’s disrespecting the university, lying to coaches, or is playing the school for NIL and has nearly 0 chance of signing, then that’s an acceptable disagreement. I am not ready to say we should dump either. It’s a general thought. By “them” I generally mean kids that play with the university. Dante comes to mind. They chased him until the day he committed to OR and looked like chumps not locking anyone else up. Now if you’re a fan of all in recruitment, that’s fine. I’m not. If said recruits end up signing, I’ll likely change my tune, but I’m not betting on it.

You go from speaking as the institution to saying "they looked like chumps" when a 17 year old kid committed to play football for someone else. I'm not sure those two go hand in hand, but if you've seen the right think piece on how ND as a university is struggling post Dante then by all means share the link.

 

[stlnd01]

No offense, but all this negativity about Notre Dame with NIL makes me think I’m reading a Michigan blog about the wolverines

It's a lot. And we will either adapt or we will not be able to compete at the higher levels of the sport. I assume we will adapt. Patience.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

ND can’t compete with this. If they are not offering NIL then stop being the safetynet for recruits. That’s what we turned into

We could compete with this, quite easily. The problem is: (1) that our admin has interpreted the NIL "rules," such as they are, to prohibit what 'Bama and aTm are doing; and (2) that we are continuing to show a level of deference to the NCAA that it demonstrably does not deserve. I'm sure they'll figure it out sooner than later, but we may lose a few big time recruits until then.

 

[317Irish]

If you’re asking to what end is ND as an institution greater than a 17 year old the answer goes without saying. If you’re disagreeing that I think we should dump a kid if he’s disrespecting the university, lying to coaches, or is playing the school for NIL and has nearly 0 chance of signing, then that’s an acceptable disagreement. I am not ready to say we should dump either. It’s a general thought. By “them” I generally mean kids that play with the university. Dante comes to mind. They chased him until the day he committed to OR and looked like chumps not locking anyone else up. Now if you’re a fan of all in recruitment, that’s fine. I’m not. If said recruits end up signing, I’ll likely change my tune, but I’m not betting on it.

Not everything is so black and white. You want to apply hard and fast rules to recruiting a bunch of KIDS that you expect to be men. Not even a great institution like ND is going to weed out all of the KIDS that aren’t completely honorable and mature. Some of our drama free recruits turned out to put somewhat of a stain on the university and vice versa.

 

[INLaw]

Not everything is so black and white. You want to apply hard and fast rules to recruiting a bunch of KIDS that you expect to be men. Not even a great institution like ND is going to weed out all of the KIDS that aren’t completely honorable and mature. Some of our drama free recruits turned out to put somewhat of a stain on the university and vice versa.

Very good point at the end their