'22 NJ QB Steven Angeli (Notre Dame Signee)

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He can’t be worse right?………RIGHT??
As far as I can tell, it's win-win. If he can't play then that could be the final strike for Rees, as that would be yet another bad look for his coaching/talent evaluation. If he can play, then we have something to work with in the years going forward and would just need to find a competent OC who can maximize his skillset.
 

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Unless Angeli is a miracle worker, I don't see him doing anything behind this OL. Buchner and Pyne were both running for their lives.
 

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Unless Angeli is a miracle worker, I don't see him doing anything behind this OL. Buchner and Pyne were both running for their lives.
Might be worth it if it's the final nail in the coffin to expose the fraud that is Tommy Rees.
 

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Unless Angeli is a miracle worker, I don't see him doing anything behind this OL. Buchner and Pyne were both running for their lives.
Unlikely he’s a miracle worker but what do you miss out on if he starts over Pyne, assuming TB is out awhile.
 

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Unlikely he’s a miracle worker but what do you miss out on if he starts over Pyne, assuming TB is out awhile.
I don't know, honestly. Pick aside, Pyne was moving around in the pocket pretty well and was making plays. If TB is out I think you have to let him start the next game and see what happens. He put a good drive together at the end and got a score.
 

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I don't know, honestly. Pick aside, Pyne was moving around in the pocket pretty well and was making plays. If TB is out I think you have to let him start the next game and see what happens. He put a good drive together at the end and got a score.
Which is probably the most likely scenario and I wouldn’t be too beaten up over it. Pyne being listed at 5’11’’ is a problem though. Unless he’s Drew Brees or Russ Wilson, it’ll be tough for him. He was incredibly hesitant today. Not a fair evaluation but I also don’t want MF to be afraid to play Angeli.
 

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Which is probably the most likely scenario and I wouldn’t be too beaten up over it. Pyne being listed at 5’11’’ is a problem though. Unless he’s Drew Brees or Russ Wilson, it’ll be tough for him. He was incredibly hesitant today. Not a fair evaluation but I also don’t want MF to be afraid to play Angeli.
Angeli should get all kinds of reps in practice this week if TB is out, he'll have to quite honest. He'll be just one play away at this point if Pyne gets injured too.
 

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Blue Gold game means little. I would go off the depth chart and Pyne's experience in actual games first.
I get that Pyne might be your boy. But T-Boone is right Pyne stunk at the B&G game.

I would put Angeli ahead of Pyne.
 

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I get that Pyne might be your boy. But T-Boone is right Pyne stunk at the B&G game.

I would put Angeli ahead of Pyne.
Again, B&G game means absolutely nothing. Zero. If B&G game was any indicator of a player's worth, Junior Jabbie would have been a Heisman winner. I'll forgive you if you don't know how Junior Jabbie is. In the same light, a player that sucks in the B&G game may turn out to be decent. Kizer stunk it up in 2015 in the spring and nearly quit football. It's a good thing he didn't.
 

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I don't know, honestly. Pick aside, Pyne was moving around in the pocket pretty well and was making plays. If TB is out I think you have to let him start the next game and see what happens. He put a good drive together at the end and got a score.
against a defense that was basically conceding the score in exchange for burning clock. ND helped Marshall out on that by taking so long.

Plus, last year when Pyne entered Wiscy & Cincy, he provided a spark. There was zero spark yesterday. Doesn’t mean he can’t rally the offense if he gets 1st team reps this week & starts but the offensive scheme will basically go from a run-first offense to a scramble first offense.
 

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against a defense that was basically conceding the score in exchange for burning clock. ND helped Marshall out on that by taking so long.

Plus, last year when Pyne entered Wiscy & Cincy, he provided a spark. There was zero spark yesterday. Doesn’t mean he can’t rally the offense if he gets 1st team reps this week & starts but the offensive scheme will basically go from a run-first offense to a scramble first offense.
I know he scored but Pyne did not look very impressive in his brief action yesterday. That "drive" was 32 yards, aided by a penalty, and pretty much every time he dropped back he looked indecisive, at a time when the clock and score called for basically quick throws off a pre-snap read. And he remains small and noodle-armed.

I don't know if Angeli's better but I do know Pyne doesn't inspire much confidence.
 

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Again, B&G game means absolutely nothing. Zero. If B&G game was any indicator of a player's worth, Junior Jabbie would have been a Heisman winner. I'll forgive you if you don't know how Junior Jabbie is. In the same light, a player that sucks in the B&G game may turn out to be decent. Kizer stunk it up in 2015 in the spring and nearly quit football. It's a good thing he didn't.
I think terrible BG performances mean a lot. Probably good performances can’t be read too much into.
 

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Again, B&G game means absolutely nothing. Zero. If B&G game was any indicator of a player's worth, Junior Jabbie would have been a Heisman winner. I'll forgive you if you don't know how Junior Jabbie is. In the same light, a player that sucks in the B&G game may turn out to be decent. Kizer stunk it up in 2015 in the spring and nearly quit football. It's a good thing he didn't
the BG game itself may have little value, the game did show that Pyne is not a good QB. Not good at all. When you add his performance in actual games, his performance, or lack of a performance, in an actual game is validated. It’s time to move on from Pyne.
Again, B&G game means absolutely nothing. Zero. If B&G game was any indicator of a player's worth, Junior Jabbie would have been a Heisman winner. I'll forgive you if you don't know how Junior Jabbie is. In the same light, a player that sucks in the B&G game may turn out to be decent. Kizer stunk it up in 2015 in the spring and nearly quit football. It's a good thing he didn't.
When has Pyne consistently showed he is a capable QB? Not in a controlled scrimmage that is the spring game or in an actual game. It’s time to move on from the fantasy that Pyne will be an improvement.
 

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Again, B&G game means absolutely nothing. Zero. If B&G game was any indicator of a player's worth, Junior Jabbie would have been a Heisman winner. I'll forgive you if you don't know how Junior Jabbie is. In the same light, a player that sucks in the B&G game may turn out to be decent. Kizer stunk it up in 2015 in the spring and nearly quit football. It's a good thing he didn't.
So any spring game for every college football team means "absolutely nothing?" It is absolutely something. Every game is going to have a Junior Jabbie moment, but given how the rules of the game change in a B&G game Pyne this year looked like an incoming freshmen.
 

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Angeli got reps with the 1s today, take that for what it's worth.
Was it just him or was he splitting with Pyne or do we just not know?

Frankly, I can't imagine why they'd be splitting reps. There's no time for an impromptu QB competition and going with a 2-QB system with Pyne and Angeli makes zero sense.

If Pyne is the guy, he needs ALL the reps. If Angeli is the guy, he needs ALL the reps.

So I have to imagine it's Angeli.
 

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Was it just him or was he splitting with Pyne or do we just not know?

Frankly, I can't imagine why they'd be splitting reps. There's no time for an impromptu QB competition and going with a 2-QB system with Pyne and Angeli makes zero sense.

If Pyne is the guy, he needs ALL the reps. If Angeli is the guy, he needs ALL the reps.

So I have to imagine it's Angeli.
Hope you’re right. I agree regarding splitting reps. As MF said in his presser, they need to evaluate EVERYTHING. You can fix everything in week. You can improve over the next ten games but if everything needs fixed, we are in for a roller coaster season.
 

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Was it just him or was he splitting with Pyne or do we just not know?

Frankly, I can't imagine why they'd be splitting reps. There's no time for an impromptu QB competition and going with a 2-QB system with Pyne and Angeli makes zero sense.

If Pyne is the guy, he needs ALL the reps. If Angeli is the guy, he needs ALL the reps.

So I have to imagine it's Angeli.
They have to figure out if they want 6'3 legit 4 star in Angeli or 5'9 Pyne, ( Who would sure lead a Notre Dame Dorm to the intramural championship at Notre Dame stadium. And what happens if the winner of this early season QB Derby gets hurt. How do we explain not practicing whoever the future back up is with the the first team Give me Angeli. Better Height, Better arm. Can see over the line. He's undefeated in Blue Golf games. Pyne threw 2 picks with one getting called back in like 3 pass attempts. One was awful and the other was we because he's very short.
 

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They have to figure out if they want 6'3 legit 4 star in Angeli or 5'9 Pyne, ( Who would sure lead a Notre Dame Dorm to the intramural championship at Notre Dame stadium. And what happens if the winner of this early season QB Derby gets hurt. How do we explain not practicing whoever the future back up is with the the first team Give me Angeli. Better Height, Better arm. Can see over the line. He's undefeated in Blue Golf games. Pyne threw 2 picks with one getting called back in like 3 pass attempts. One was awful and the other was we because he's very short.
To be fair, Pyne was rated higher than Angeli as a recruit.

But I agree, I want Angeli.

I can't imagine Pyne has been all that impressive in practice if Buchner was given the nod so easily. And as a backup, you need to seize the opportunity when it arrives and Pyne did about as poorly as you can possibly imagine.
 

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To be fair, Pyne was rated higher than Angeli as a recruit.

But I agree, I want Angeli.

I can't imagine Pyne has been all that impressive in practice if Buchner was given the nod so easily. And as a backup, you need to seize the opportunity when it arrives and Pyne did about as poorly as you can possibly imagine.
I was just looking that upand surprised by it. Pyne had a Bama offer. If Pyne wins I wonder if he rocks out a belly shirt like he's Chris Zorich
 

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Hope you’re right. I agree regarding splitting reps. As MF said in his presser, they need to evaluate EVERYTHING. You can fix everything in week. You can improve over the next ten games but if everything needs fixed, we are in for a roller coaster season.
Way I see it:

-Start Angeli
-Pull Lugg and Correll, move Patterson back to center, start Kristofic and Spindler at guard.
-Have Tyree split time at receiver as a slot.
-Reduce Lenzy's reps, start Merriweather.
-Increase Cross' and Smith's reps to send a message to Jayson.
-Reduce Bertrand and Bauer's reps, play more Kollie, Sneed and Junior.
 

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Way I see it:

-Start Angeli
-Pull Lugg and Correll, move Patterson back to center, start Kristofic and Spindler at guard.
-Have Tyree split time at receiver as a slot.
-Reduce Lenzy's reps, start Merriweather.
-Increase Cross' and Smith's reps to send a message to Jayson.
-Reduce Bertrand and Bauer's reps, play more Kollie, Sneed and Junior.


Amen to all of this.
 
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