'22 IN OL Ashton Craig (Notre Dame Signee)

[StPaul_Irish]

I heard he's up to 283 lbs now.

FIFY

 

[IrishLax]

By connected you mean grabbing other peoples work, spinning things he reads on message boards, and subscribing to all the paid sites for his recruiting info? and if you mean to say "connected" as in Connected to the Internet, then yes you are correct.

This post is art.

 

[IrishLax]

A couple of you asked this but can only quote one for some reason.

I think the gist is that Quinn is Kelly's buddy who wasn't qualified and has been using Hiestands players and a G.A. who played for him.

Now those players and Watt are gone so how good is he really?

Also, I guess the players wanted the guy who is now coaching the Bucs O line to be their coach but Kelly picked his boy.

This is why I say that this season is huge for Quinn.

For what it's worth, Driskell has been on the record as anti-Quinn from the moment he was hired. I won't begrudge your opinions or who you like to read, but he has a bad relationship with a number of coaches and has a lot of implicit bias that he works overtime to justify. There are a handful of examples if we want to get into details.

Also, the bolded is just... I don't even really know what to say. The truth is that 1) players don't pick coaches, period. that's not how things work so suggesting that a head coach should pick "who the players want" is self-defeating 2) they did gather input from players and they were receptive to Quinn. I don't think Quinn is a great OL coach, per se, but its inarguable that once they let him coach how he wants (i.e. they got rid of Chip Long) that the OL has played at a very high level.

I think that the OL will be kinda bad this year but it will have virtually nothing to do with Quinn. It'll mostly have to do with Harry missing on players towards the end of his tenure at ND, and natural growing pains while young guys develop. Last year's class was stellar, so the idea that you can "neg" Quinn with a specious argument like tHeY wErE HiEsTaNd PlAyErS doesn't even pass the sniff test.

 

[Sea Turtle]

For what it's worth, Driskell has been on the record as anti-Quinn from the moment he was hired. I won't begrudge your opinions or who you like to read, but he has a bad relationship with a number of coaches and has a lot of implicit bias that he works overtime to justify. There are a handful of examples if we want to get into details.

Also, the bolded is just... I don't even really know what to say. The truth is that 1) players don't pick coaches, period. that's not how things work so suggesting that a head coach should pick "who the players want" is self-defeating 2) they did gather input from players and they were receptive to Quinn. I don't think Quinn is a great OL coach, per se, but its inarguable that once they let him coach how he wants (i.e. they got rid of Chip Long) that the OL has played at a very high level.

I think that the OL will be kinda bad this year but it will have virtually nothing to do with Quinn. It'll mostly have to do with Harry missing on players towards the end of his tenure at ND, and natural growing pains while young guys develop. Last year's class was stellar, so the idea that you can "neg" Quinn with a specious argument like tHeY wErE HiEsTaNd PlAyErS doesn't even pass the sniff test.

I guess we will see how it plays out.

 

[ThePiombino]

For what it's worth, Driskell has been on the record as anti-Quinn from the moment he was hired. I won't begrudge your opinions or who you like to read, but he has a bad relationship with a number of coaches and has a lot of implicit bias that he works overtime to justify. There are a handful of examples if we want to get into details.

Also, the bolded is just... I don't even really know what to say. The truth is that 1) players don't pick coaches, period. that's not how things work so suggesting that a head coach should pick "who the players want" is self-defeating 2) they did gather input from players and they were receptive to Quinn. I don't think Quinn is a great OL coach, per se, but its inarguable that once they let him coach how he wants (i.e. they got rid of Chip Long) that the OL has played at a very high level.

I think that the OL will be kinda bad this year but it will have virtually nothing to do with Quinn. It'll mostly have to do with Harry missing on players towards the end of his tenure at ND, and natural growing pains while young guys develop. Last year's class was stellar, so the idea that you can "neg" Quinn with a specious argument like tHeY wErE HiEsTaNd PlAyErS doesn't even pass the sniff test.

You think they're gonna be bad bad, like compared to the rest of college football? Or just ND bad, like still good, just not consistently dominant?

 

[Rack Em]

Driskell said he's up to 283 lbs now.

283 lbs? Wow Driskell really let himself go....

 

[Sea Turtle]

By connected you mean grabbing other peoples work, spinning things he reads on message boards, and subscribing to all the paid sites for his recruiting info? and if you mean to say "connected" as in Connected to the Internet, then yes you are correct.

Ok, I'll stop posting things I hear from the show. Thought some posters might want to know without spending 3 hours on a podcast.

Geez

 

[Riddickulous]

How do we feel about Ashton as a prospect?

 

[Sea Turtle]

FIFY

Nevermind. His high school coach supposedly told Driskell that but I'm sure BD is lying.

 

[IrishLax]

Ok, I'll stop posting things I hear from the show. Thought some posters might want to know without spending 3 hours on a podcast.

Geez

People are being way overly harsh. I'd continue posting whatever the hell you want.

 

[Luckylucci]

How do we feel about Ashton as a prospect?

A lot of similarities to Zeke Corell, IMO. Might be a tad undersized or might always be a tad undersized but he’s quick and explosive. Moves very well. It’s a great offer regardless of the board, IMO. He’s a guy that can develop behind Correll at C and I think he has a legitimate chance at starting C some day.

With that said, we also recruit the OL very well so a guy that would be a 3 year starter at NW might not be at ND. But, I’m with Crus in that he’s just a good prospect to go after.

Freeman said in his Gold Rush he could be a P5 DE if he wanted too, he’s that type of athlete. Huge praise.

 

[IrishLax]

You think they're gonna be bad bad, like compared to the rest of college football? Or just ND bad, like still good, just not consistently dominant?

I think in pass protection they will be the worst Notre Dame line we've seen in awhile. I think run blocking they'll get the job done at a below average level for a Notre Dame line, but nothing close to some of the best lines we've seen.

What I've heard -- and this could be 0% true -- is that with Coan starting ND's offense is going to be virtually unrecognizable. On one hand, they will have the ability to attack the middle of the field like we never consistently did last year. On the other hand, the run game will look way different because he isn't the "improvisational" threat that Book was. What this is going to result in is a lot of Mayer attacking the middle of the field, and a lot of safety valve stuff to Williams/Tyree if someone isn't open. No "scramble around for 5 Mississippi and cut the field in half while people try to get open." Because the ball is going to come out of Coan's hands faster the OL might not matter as much because they don't have to hold up in pass protection for very long.

Run blocking, expect them to be very inconsistent but passable. The good news with zone blocking and someone with Kyren's vision is that you don't really have to be perfect.

 

[BobbyMac]

How do we feel about Ashton as a prospect?

If he committed tomorrow, he'd be my favorite OL prospect that could only be passed by Schrauth & Wagner.

All I can go on is film and the guys he's been training with and both scream future elite. When I saw his Jr. film I had Jarrett Patterson flashbacks and like Patterson, I think he could play multiple positions.

I'm sticking my neck out here so lets see if I can escape with my head.

 

[zelezo vlk]

He's listed at 6'5. Instead of the normal 2 inches, is his height off by 4? I'm just curious why he'd be a Center prospect instead of Interior

 

[StPaul_Irish]

This post is art.

Thanks Lax, approval from you makes me feel like I really belong!

 

[Luckylucci]

He's listed at 6'5. Instead of the normal 2 inches, is his height off by 4? I'm just curious why he'd be a Center prospect instead of Interior

Nothing other than what’s being reported.

I think this takes the place of Hinzman who I believe they liked at C.

 

[IrishLion]

He's also just an asshole. He says parents don't like him, coaches don't like him, and other media don't like him. You can't have that many people hate you and you be an okay person. He's a dick.

"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole.

If you run into assholes all day... you're the asshole."

- Raylan Givens
- IrishLion

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Ok, I'll stop posting things I hear from the show. Thought some posters might want to know without spending 3 hours on a podcast.

Geez

Hey, Like Lax said, post whatever you want, yes I was being harsh, and the reason is BD has lost a lot of respect on this board, with coaches and with others on the beat. Not because he isn't a team player (that shouldn't matter) but because of his unwillingness to see past the end of his nose. I REALLY like his X's and O's talk, he does some of the better breakdowns I have heard. Its the arrogance, the talking down to people, the making mountains out of mole hills, his quoting of "sources' ect that make him hard to take.

I for example post a lot of what I hear from Jamie U, I think he is the best. Other may not like him. If you like Driskell and think he has valid points, post away dude. I just caution you from taking it as gospel. We've all been down that road.

 

[Irish#1]

If he committed tomorrow, he'd be my favorite OL prospect that could only be passed by Schrauth & Wagner.

All I can go on is film and the guys he's been training with and both scream future elite. When I saw his Jr. film I had Jarrett Patterson flashbacks and like Patterson, I think he could play multiple positions.

I'm sticking my neck out here so lets see if I can escape with my head.

I'm with Cruz. This kid is light on his feet and can move in small spaces, which means you can pull your center. I think he can get to 3 bills. Probably not more than that, but if he can stay there that's perfect.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I'm with Cruz. This kid is light on his feet and can move in small spaces, which means you can pull your center. I think he can get to 3 bills. Probably not more than that, but if he can stay there that's perfect.

I agree with you guys. Fast, athletic, long arms and now getting bigger. Plays against Ohio teams across the border. Sign him up.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Hey, Like Lax said, post whatever you want, yes I was being harsh, and the reason is BD has lost a lot of respect on this board, with coaches and with others on the beat. Not because he isn't a team player (that shouldn't matter) but because of his unwillingness to see past the end of his nose. I REALLY like his X's and O's talk, he does some of the better breakdowns I have heard. Its the arrogance, the talking down to people, the making mountains out of mole hills, his quoting of "sources' ect that make him hard to take.

I for example post a lot of what I hear from Jamie U, I think he is the best. Other may not like him. If you like Driskell and think he has valid points, post away dude. I just caution you from taking it as gospel. We've all been down that road.

I guess I have limited experience with him. I don't go to the site. I have just been watching the shows on youtube and asking questions for the last couple of months.

 

[BabyIrish]

Hey, Like Lax said, post whatever you want, yes I was being harsh, and the reason is BD has lost a lot of respect on this board, with coaches and with others on the beat. Not because he isn't a team player (that shouldn't matter) but because of his unwillingness to see past the end of his nose. I REALLY like his X's and O's talk, he does some of the better breakdowns I have heard. Its the arrogance, the talking down to people, the making mountains out of mole hills, his quoting of "sources' ect that make him hard to take.

I for example post a lot of what I hear from Jamie U, I think he is the best. Other may not like him. If you like Driskell and think he has valid points, post away dude. I just caution you from taking it as gospel. We've all been down that road.

Agreed. The only material I’ll read of his are the post game analysis of players breakdown. He brings an insight to the games I don’t generally pick up on my own. But I won’t read any of his opinion/recruiting pieces because of reasons given by others. Most of it is in cold taste

 

[BrownerandFry]

Lol. Go ahead, please provide the data that shows how much better Hiestand was than Quinn, keeping all things equal. I'm going to argue this assertion that Hiestand was a great recruiter is false. He had some big wins but he had a number of big misses and players who didn't develop.

If you're prepared to go down this path, I'm game.

Tim Prister, aided and abetted by Sampson and OMalley, was quite clear that Eichenberg was NOT developing under Hiestand, and each may have built a doghouse for the other.

Quinn moved from analyst to OL coach in '18, Eichenberge. came alive, started for three years and was a 2d round draft pick. YThe three years as a starter and the 2d round would, most probably, not have happened if Hiestand had remained.....

 

[BrownerandFry]

Love it! Grabbed a Triple Espresso and ran with it...



I think I found the source. Transcript from a phone call:
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This master work deserves a Pulitzer. It is a comprehensive list of the counts by which the nonmaven offends us and clear football thought.f.

Take a bow, Crus!!

 

[T-Boone]

I find it amazinng that people are still questioning Quinn after the oline he put out last year.

 

[T-Boone]

I think in pass protection they will be the worst Notre Dame line we've seen in awhile.

Well the last 2 years we have been probably the best in the country in pass protection so hopefully thats still pretty good.

 

[317Irish]

I find it amazinng that people are still questioning Quinn after the oline he put out last year.

I don’t get why this has become a Quinn vs Hiestand debate either. We would be lucky to have either as our O-Line coach IMO. I think Quinn still has to prove over time that he can develop, and we can argue about how well Hiestand recruited, but both have an end result that should make 120+ FBS teams jealous.

 

[Luckylucci]

Loy CB. Again mentioned being recruited as a C.

 

[BobbyMac]

Loy CB. Again mentioned being recruited as a C.

Harry used to only recruit OT's and turn the leftovers into IL's

Quinn has recruited 3 centers in the last two classes, Developed a walk-on center into a scholarship winner who GT'd to a P5 school, his best recruited--developed player he turned into a center and he took a transfer who's built more like an NFL center than all of them. I bet he used to call Emil Ekiyor behind HH's back and tell him to work on his snapping and he'd talk to BK about going around Harry.

He obviously developed an acute case of kelceitis while at Cincinnati.

 

[arrowryan]

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