'22 AL RB Quinshon Judkins (Ole Miss Verbal)

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Running backs hold the least value on an NFL offense and are considered to be past their prime when they are 27 years old.

Until teams prioritize running the ball again, it probably won't change.

It doesn’t seem like overall that hold up that well anymore. It turf the problem, is the excessive work out the the problems and can’t answer that one.

More the reason to come to ND though.
 

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I don't think one year less of college is going to make a difference. The issue is the grind of the NFL, not the 200-300 carries they got their junior year. Sure, it doesn't help their cause, but avoiding it won't change the outcome IMO.
I was listening to something and they were talking about how most NFL RBs have a massive drop-off in production after 1,500 carries. 300 carries isn't insignificant.
 

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I was listening to something and they were talking about how most NFL RBs have a massive drop-off in production after 1,500 carries. 300 carries isn't insignificant.
Here is PFF on the topic with many stats. Worth the read. For the 1,500, it's NFL only carries. Here is their stance on college workload too...


FICTION: A HEAVY COLLEGE WORKLOAD MEANS THE RUNNING BACK WON’T DO AS WELL IN THE NFL

Draft analysts often like to reference the amount of carries a running back received in college as a reason for why they should be drafted higher or lower. A running back who was a workhorse during their NCAA career has more doubts cast upon their future in the NFL, while a running back who saw a lighter workload is often labeled as “fresh.”

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This doesn’t seem to be the case. Nick Chubb and Dalvin Cook both spent years as a focal point of their college offenses and have emerged as two of the best running backs in the NFL. There is little to no correlation between how many rushes a running back accumulates in college and their NFL performance. Tarik Cohen and Mike Davis being “more fresh” didn't lead to better performance in the NFL.

 

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Here is PFF on the topic with many stats. Worth the read. For the 1,500, it's NFL only carries. Here is their stance on college workload too...

That must have been the article they were talking about. Good looking out.

Worse isn't the same as their longevity though.
 

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The article is predicated on RYOE. those with favorable RYOE are more likely to get a second contract.
 

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Somehow Emmitt Smith managed 7,000 career carries in college and in the NFL combined.

Unthinkable numbers nowadays.
 

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Wow, pretty surprised by this. I would think Ole Miss would be taking care of him very well. He must have gotten word he's going to get stupid money from somewhere.
 

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It might also be a bargaining tactic if he sees other guys getting big $ from Ole Miss.
Good point. My natural reaction is once it's public that a player is hitting the portal, to think they're gone. But, it could just be that.

Ole Miss has been doing quite well as of late so I would think the money has to be at least competitive.
 

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Good point. My natural reaction is once it's public that a player is hitting the portal, to think they're gone. But, it could just be that.

Ole Miss has been doing quite well as of late so I would think the money has to be at least competitive.
Tim O'Malley mentioned something in the same vein in this week's II pod. Something to the effect of, "if fans knew of all the star players (ND/ others) they heard considering going into the portal fans would freak out."

The amount of back channeling around any stud player is likely at an all-time high. My guess is it's just a matter of time before ND loses a star to the highest bidder.

Gotta be constantly recruiting your own roster.
 

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Tim O'Malley mentioned something in the same vein in this week's II pod. Something to the effect of, "if fans knew of all the star players (ND/ others) they heard considering going into the portal fans would freak out."

The amount of back channeling around any stud player is likely at an all-time high. My guess is it's just a matter of time before ND loses a star to the highest bidder.

Gotta be constantly recruiting your own roster.
This is what makes me think CFB is dead. When players can come and go any time to the highest bidder without repercussions, that isnt college ball. That is pro ball or at worst, semi-pro ball. Practically guarantees the athlete isnt attending classes because the school isnt going to boot out a star player who they just paid millions of dollars for. And if they arent attending classes, they arent college students.
 

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Tim O'Malley mentioned something in the same vein in this week's II pod. Something to the effect of, "if fans knew of all the star players (ND/ others) they heard considering going into the portal fans would freak out."

The amount of back channeling around any stud player is likely at an all-time high. My guess is it's just a matter of time before ND loses a star to the highest bidder.

Gotta be constantly recruiting your own roster.


And the wonder why the coaches get paid so much. They don’t get to sleep. Its really BS.
 

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This is what makes me think CFB is dead. When players can come and go any time to the highest bidder without repercussions, that isnt college ball. That is pro ball or at worst, semi-pro ball. Practically guarantees the athlete isnt attending classes because the school isnt going to boot out a star player who they just paid millions of dollars for. And if they arent attending classes, they arent college students.

A lot of these schools they weren’t student athletes at now. The sec is mostly athlete students.
 

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Man I hate this for Ole Miss and Lane Kiffen with what he's building. But it's smart like others mentioned for a RB forced to be in CFB one more year.

What sucks is this will star with star RBs then turn into star-any position where they're NFL ready but stuck in college one more year.

I stand by my recommendation - you can get NIL to the moon, but not once you transfer. It's the only way IMO to allow NIL but stop where this is headed.
 

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This is what makes me think CFB is dead. When players can come and go any time to the highest bidder without repercussions, that isnt college ball. That is pro ball or at worst, semi-pro ball. Practically guarantees the athlete isnt attending classes because the school isnt going to boot out a star player who they just paid millions of dollars for. And if they arent attending classes, they arent college students.
Not necessarily disagreeing, but this is not on the players. In truth at most of these schools they really aren’t going to class and haven’t been for decades now, nor are they encouraged to. It’s the adults, from the Universities, to the coaching staffs, to the bowl committees, to the alum and subway alum, everyone is either getting paid or pushing this financial model. At some point there was a choice where they could have insisted that these kids be student athletes but maybe damage the CFB product a little. They chose the product, and to keep getting paid. Now their conscience has them feeling they need to spread the wealth a little bit…finally..to the actual players.

I would love for it to be the other way, I think Universities should be in the business of educating all those enrolled there, but that is not the focus for most. I think the best coaching, nutrition, competition, platform, plus an education in whatever your backup plan is, should be enough, but only if the schools actually provide that. I agree it is killing CFB, (if it isn’t already dead) but its not the athletes doing it. Seriously they can’t even find a way to hold a bunch of cheaters who undermine the whole concept of sport accountable. Money corrupted CFB a long time ago, it just finally made it’s way down to the people who actually play it.
 

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A small comment on whether some schools cared whether the players actually went to school or not: Way back at that earlier Sun Bowl when we played Miami, we got really good coverage of lots of things here on IE. This included a lot of the pre-game activities for the players that week. ND and Miami had several get-together type events. After a "talent show" type of thing, a Miami RB or WR was talking to our WR/punt catcher Goodman. Goodman couldn't keep it to himself and in the week post-game said that the guy said to him: "You guys could have been KINGS, but you chose AKADAMENICS." Goodman emphasized that this was how he said it. Miami U is itself not a bad university, but that guy couldn't have been in any meaningful area of their "akadamenic" offerings.
 

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honestly dont really mind a running back like him doing this. Let the guy get paid, its so difficult for a RB in the league to even play long enough to qualify for a pension.
 

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Actually, I could think of a few schools that might pay that:

Alabama
Miami
TAMU
Oregon
Washington

All these schools believe they are contenders. I don't know what their RB skill/depth looks like and I'll just wait till this resolves itself because I know ND ain't in the market.
 

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Don't overpay RBs

That's right. That favorite in the national championship game who didn't throw a pass in a top 10 match-up for an entire half? Obviously it's because of the QB. The number one seed in the NFC with the best running back in the league? It's actually their clearly mediocre 7th round QB. Audric Estime? Bum.

PFF brain is killing football more than NIL, the portal, or anything.
 

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That's right. That favorite in the national championship game who didn't throw a pass in a top 10 match-up for an entire half? Obviously it's because of the QB. The number one seed in the NFC with the best running back in the league? It's actually their clearly mediocre 7th round QB. Audric Estime? Bum.

PFF brain is killing football more than NIL, the portal, or anything.
I think San Fran’s QB is a lot more than mediocre
 
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