'21 NC RB Will Shipley (Clemson Verbal)

[Luckylucci]

The Clemson confidence would be based on objective features (Clemson always gets their target - provided they visit, they always sign) rather than subjective features (actual knowledge of how he is leaning).

I’m not so sure I agree with that. First of all, I wouldn’t call Clemson’s confidence in getting who they want to be objective. They don’t sign everyone that visits. Since they don’t, I don’t see how that would be objective. It’d be subjective that they are confident because in their opinion they get who they want. But again, that’s not a fact, at all. Objective things in Clemson’s favor would be distance, winning, and facilities. Those you can’t argue. Objective features in ND’s favor would be education and relationships.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I’m not so sure I agree with that. First of all, I wouldn’t call Clemson’s confidence in getting who they want to be objective. They don’t sign everyone that visits. Since they don’t, I don’t see how that would be objective. It’d be subjective that they are confident because in their opinion they get who they want. But again, that’s not a fact, at all. Objective things in Clemson’s favor would be distance, winning, and facilities. Those you can’t argue. Objective features in ND’s favor would be education and relationships.

And the quality of the class they will certainly sign.

 

[Luckylucci]

Well, I’m not sure that’d be objective either. Rankings are opinions, so the opinions of a several analysts would give us the objective fact? And when he’s ready to make a decision nothing will be final. Not sure how I’d view that.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Well, I’m not sure that’d be objective either. Rankings are opinions, so the opinions of a several analysts would give us the objective fact? And when he’s ready to make a decision nothing will be final. Not sure how I’d view that.

True. I seem to recall that he said he wanted to be part of the top class in the country and from most measures that is far more likely to happen at Clemson than ND. If Will is saying that's a factor, he must be viewing some metrics or considering some opinions. And even though the decision time won't be on signing day, if recent history is any guide, it's something that doesn't favor the good guys.

 

[greyhammer90]

True. I seem to recall that he said he wanted to be part of the top class in the country and from most measures that is far more likely to happen at Clemson than ND. If Will is saying that's a factor, he must be viewing some metrics or considering some opinions. And even though the decision time won't be on signing day, if recent history is any guide, it's something that doesn't favor the good guys.

As someone else pointed out previously though, if we're talking offensive class, ND isn't exactly looking bad. 5 star QB, 5 star RB (if Shipley commits), excellent OL haul with (probably) 2 top 50 OL, Styles at WR and an outside shot at Colzie, Berrong at TE...

I'm not a huge recruitnik but that's got to be one of the best offensive classes in the country.

 

[snoopdog]

True. I seem to recall that he said he wanted to be part of the top class in the country and from most measures that is far more likely to happen at Clemson than ND. If Will is saying that's a factor, he must be viewing some metrics or considering some opinions. And even though the decision time won't be on signing day, if recent history is any guide, it's something that doesn't favor the good guys.

Not to be all nitpicky, but if a recruit made his choice of school on who had the best recruiting class, I would be very leery on what type of kid I was getting.

 

[Irish#1]

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Yeah, this is fantastic.

It just moved, a lot!

 

[Luckylucci]

It just moved, a lot!

It does seem pretty unbelievable that after all this, he'll choose a different program.

 

[greyhammer90]

It does seem pretty unbelievable that after all this, he'll choose a different program.

Shades of McGregor.

 

[dublinirish]

anyone else find recruits operating with recruiting services like this a bit awkward? even those commitment videos where kids are skyping Rivals or whoever with their "scoop" is just plain weird to me.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

As someone else pointed out previously though, if we're talking offensive class, ND isn't exactly looking bad. 5 star QB, 5 star RB (if Shipley commits), excellent OL haul with (probably) 2 top 50 OL, Styles at WR and an outside shot at Colzie, Berrong at TE...

I'm not a huge recruitnik but that's got to be one of the best offensive classes in the country.

You are correct - especially when looking at the offensive classes from Clemson vs. ND from 2017-2021 and taking into account who will have left by the time Shipley is playing college ball.

Clemson has a distinct advantage in WR recruiting and a minor advantage in RB recruiting.

ND has a distinct advantage in TE recruiting and a minor advantage in OL recruiting.

QB probably a slight advantage to Clemson with Uigaleilei over Buchner, but both will be unproven 5*s with no starts under their belt for whatever team Shipley plays his first college game.

Clemson's sizable recruiting advantage lies solely on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[irishandy]

If ND lands Shipley we can thank Blake!

 

[Luckylucci]

Shades of McGregor.

Gosh, that sure would be something, if it turns out that Shipley has been committed to Clemson for awhile. I guess the main difference is we discounted how much the McGregor household being UM fans played into that situation.

 

[greyhammer90]

anyone else find recruits operating with recruiting services like this a bit awkward? even those commitment videos where kids are skyping Rivals or whoever with their "scoop" is just plain weird to me.

You are correct. I'm not even against it per se, though I can understand the reason why someone would be. The reason I can't watch any of this stuff is because high school kids, even cool ones, are awkward. The idea of watching one high school kid try to lead an interview with another high school kid makes me cringe out of my skin.

 

[fightingirish26]

Shades of McGregor.

I think McGregor was a Michigan fan who disliked ND and wanted to fuck with us. Douche move, but if I was that level of a recruit, maybe I'd think about fucking with Michigan, who knows. I find it very hard to believe that Shipley would be purposefully trolling ND, especially given neither Clemson nor NC St. are rivals with us.

 

[greyhammer90]

Gosh, that sure would be something, if it turns out that Shipley has been committed to Clemson for awhile. I guess the main difference is we discounted how much the McGregor household being UM fans played into that situation.

That's basically what's being intimated by Hickey at 24/7. She's hinted that its over already a few times. That's the biggest thing that's keeping me from getting my hopes up about this at all.

 

[TorontoGold]

Is there ANY chance that he announces a commitment with Blake on the video?

 

[Irish Man3]

If ND lands Shipley we can thank Blake!

That would be doing the staff a disservice. Rees, Kelly, Taylor, and the academic staff have done an amazing job here. It would go much deeper than only Fisher.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Is there ANY chance that he announces a commitment with Blake on the video?

anything is possible. Gut tells me no

 

[ab2cmiller]

I know this interview was done all the way back in November of last year, but his comments regarding National Championships not being a substantial factor is pretty insightful. He was asked if he had to choose between "being the guy" and getting substantial playing time as a Freshman and Sophomore or winning National Championships while splitting carries more equally and maybe not playing as much as a Freshman or Sophomore. If he had to choose, he said he would rather "be the guy" and that National Championships or chance of National Championships will not be a significant factor.

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[Luckylucci]

That's basically what's being intimated by Hickey at 24/7. She's hinted that its over already a few times. That's the biggest thing that's keeping me from getting my hopes up about this at all.

Been following that. That would be wild with how much communication he continues to have with staff, commits, and players.

 

[ThePiombino]

Been following that. That would be wild with how much communication he continues to have with staff, commits, and players.

Would be a colossal fuck you to Blake also, IMO

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[FightingIrishLover7]

That's basically what's being intimated by Hickey at 24/7. She's hinted that its over already a few times. That's the biggest thing that's keeping me from getting my hopes up about this at all.

What if this is a reverse McGreggor - pretend silents to them, but real silents with us, just to f with Dabs ???

 

[NDohio]

That's basically what's being intimated by Hickey at 24/7. She's hinted that its over already a few times. That's the biggest thing that's keeping me from getting my hopes up about this at all.

Wow, that's crazy. He doesn't seem like that kind of kid at all. I would be shocked if that's how this goes down.

 

[SaltyND24]

Would be a colossal fuck you to Blake also, IMO

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I don't condone violence, but if Shipley was indeed a silent commit to Clemson all this time and I'm Blake, then he'd have to see these hands...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What if this is a reverse McGreggor - pretend silents to them, but real silents with us, just to f with Dabs ???

Shipley Dabs on Dabo, Decides for Domers.

 

[317Irish]

Shipley Dabs on Dabo, Decides for Domers.

Much better headline than Shipley swooned by Swinney, nixes Notre Dame

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think McGregor was a Michigan fan who disliked ND and wanted to fuck with us. Douche move, but if I was that level of a recruit, maybe I'd think about fucking with Michigan, who knows. I find it very hard to believe that Shipley would be purposefully trolling ND, especially given neither Clemson nor NC St. are rivals with us.

I don't think it was anything that sinister.

I do think ND was fighting an uphill battle with the family firmly in the scUM corner, but McGregor probably felt he owed it to Elston, who was probably the coach he was closest to during his recruitment. Taylor is very much in the same spot Elston was with McGregor.

However, I think the position coach relationships are where the comparisons to Shipley end though.

By all accounts, the family is not firmly in Clemson's corner, and the recruits in this class and the other coaches have a much bigger impact in Shipley's recruitment than was the case with McGregor.

By many different accounts, there's a lot more going for ND in this recruitment compared to BM.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Wiltfong spent about 5 minutes yesterday discussing Shipley on a North Carolina Podcast. Starts around the 36:30 mark. Main takeaway was that Wiltfong thought it was Clemson a week ago but hasn't dug much the past week. Thinks a lot of Shipley and how he communicates. Very outgoing and gives colleges a lot of time, leaves all the colleges thinking that they have a good chance. Said something along the lines of ..... If you talked to Duke, they probably think they have a good chance, and maybe they do. Certainly doesn't have anything concrete at this point.

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[Luckylucci]

Wiltfong spent about 5 minutes yesterday discussing Shipley on a North Carolina Podcast. Starts around the 36:30 mark. Main takeaway was that Wiltfong thought it was Clemson a week ago but hasn't dug much the past week. Thinks a lot of Shipley and how he communicates. Very outgoing and gives colleges a lot of time, leaves all the colleges thinking that they have a good chance. Said something along the lines of ..... If you talked to Duke, they probably think they have a good chance, and maybe they do. Certainly doesn't have anything concrete at this point.

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This is what I struggle with. I said a week or so ago that this has a bizarre feel to it and this is why. If I'm a big time recruit and I'm struggling with the pressure of recruiting and I want to be done with the process, I wouldn't be communicating with random schools. Then having that pressure me into a decision I wasn't comfortable with because of how time consuming the process is. It seems like common sense to say, it's as stressful as you make it and you can limit that stress by limiting the contact and schools involved. I think the first thing I'd do is narrow it down to a more manageable group. Or narrow it down to the only schools that I'll actually attend, in this case ND/Clemson. Instead, it seems like Will is creating the pressure on himself by continuing to talk with schools that have virtually no shot of landing him. Would he feel the same 'pressure' if he wasn't talking with Duke, NCSU, Stanford, UNC, etc. Doubtful.