'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

[stpeteirish]

Ron Powlus III

he's third now. There is no fourth.

 

[irishfan]

Say what you want, but tough kid walking back to the huddle before Pyne came on.

 

[Free Manera]

Say what you want, but tough kid walking back to the huddle before Pyne came on.

100%. Buchner is one of the few players that seems like he really cares and plays hard every snap. It's basically him, Mayer, Styles, and Tyree that are trying hard. Forget about execution, can we just get the whole roster to care for a whole game?

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Honestly, from the perspective of this season already being blown up, Buchner missing 5-6 games really isn't the worst thing. We have a built in excuse for losing, we are forced to work on our issues instead of letting them get masked by his running ability, and we get to see what we have with the other 2 QBs.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

100%. Buchner is one of the few players that seems like he really cares and plays hard every snap. It's basically him, Mayer, Styles, and Tyree that are trying hard. Forget about execution, can we just get the whole roster to care for a whole game?

Amen here. He is inexperienced. I knew there would be growing pains. But he was battling. I am way more concerned about (not sure of the order), oline, WR, play calling (lack of identity).

It still appears that Tommy has literally no idea how to use Buchner. Tommy wants to run his pro-style game with a QB that should be running RPO. Good luck fitting a square peg in a round hole.

Ironically, maybe Steve will be better suited for Tommy....

 

[NDMatt91]

It still appears that Tommy has literally no idea how to use Buchner. Tommy wants to run his pro-style game with a QB that should be running RPO. Good luck fitting a square peg in a round hole.

If he can’t adapt then that should be the final nail in the coffin for Tommy boy. Lane Kiffin’s offenses at USC were vastly different from his offenses at Bama and Ole Miss. He adapted. When he got to Bama he inherited a converted RB as a QB and he went to the spread and utilized the RPO.

 

[irish4ever]

I broke my clavicle and was back working out at the Y within a week.

So, when I broke my clavicle, I slept at a Holiday Inn Express that night and was healed the next morning.

 

[Irish4life]

It still appears that Tommy has literally no idea how to use Buchner. Tommy wants to run his pro-style game with a QB that should be running RPO. Good luck fitting a square peg in a round hole.

It's exactly this. If you gave Buchner to Wayne Ruggiero and Wake Forest, Kendall Briles at Arkansas, or hell, Dino Babers at Syracuse he'd be looking a hell of a lot better than he is running what Rees has him running.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If he can’t adapt then that should be the final nail in the coffin for Tommy boy. Lane Kiffin’s offenses at USC were vastly different from his offenses at Bama and Ole Miss. He adapted. When he got to Bama he inherited a converted RB as a QB and he went to the spread and utilized the RPO.

Absolutely.
It looks like he's running two (or three?) offensive styles? Idk if he's playing it "cute" and trying to keep the D on their toes? Or, if he's trying to see "what sticks"? Or if it's him just trying square peg in a round hole.

Regardless, it's all broken as shit.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I broke my clavicle and was back FIGHTING at the Y within a week.

FIFY

Anybody know a good Mexican joint?

 

[BoredIrish]

100%. Buchner is one of the few players that seems like he really cares and plays hard every snap. It's basically him, Mayer, Styles, and Tyree that are trying hard. Forget about execution, can we just get the whole roster to care for a whole game?

No doubt. Kudos to the kid for trying his best .

Hate to say it though, but he does appear to be snake bit with the injuries . Every time he takes a hit, I just cringe and hope he gets back up.

Big mistake not bringing in a transfer thus year . Even bigger mistake not bringing in a QB in 23. Even if Carr reclassifies, the QB room probably needs 2.

 

[Rack Em]

I broke my clavicle and was back working out at the Y within a week.

A week?

Pussy.

 

[Chicago Domer]

We could have had JJ but chose Buckner. You are all right. In HS he had a tremendous arm. What happened was overcoaching.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I've never taught football.
BUT
I do have a baseball background
I can't understand why a football coach would "change" a QB, unless there was reason to. If the QB is being efficient, even if unorthodox, who cares? As long as he's not doing something that'll hurt his arm (more baseball), you shouldn't messing with a player's motion (again, if efficient). If it's not broken, don't fix it. Imagine if Pat Mahomes would have had his motion "fixed" or Rivers... If it works, it works and coach to that player's strong suit.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Pyne comes on and the crowd cheers. He throws a pick almost immediately.

Sums up our fanbase pretty well as far as I'm concerned.

 

[NDPhilly]

Pyne looked like a deer in the headlights. No quick reads. Took three plus seconds to make every decision. Not what you expect from an upperclassman with in-game experience.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Pyne comes on and the crowd cheers. He throws a pick almost immediately.

Sums up our fanbase pretty well as far as I'm concerned.

yeah
A lotttt of (casual) fans angry with the QB play...
My reaction to family who are upset with Tyler
"I hate to tell ya, but there's multiple bigger problems than that"
Lol

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Pyne looked like a deer in the headlights. No quick reads. Took three plus seconds to make every decision. Not what you expect from an upperclassman with in-game experience.

No
BUT! It is something I expect from a Tommy Rees QB

 

[stlnd01]

I'm no QB guru, but confused. Is the concern with Buchner his throw/arm strength, or his decision-making?

I only caught the fourth quarter on Saturday but based on that and Ohio State and last year, Buchner seems to have plenty of arm, no matter his motion. He's made some ill-advised throws and missed some guys but that's more about timing and reads.
Seems like something that'd improve with time (whenever he gets back on the field). No?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I broke my clavicle and was back working out at the Y within a week.

So you and @Irish#1 finally got into the octagon, eh? And he took out your clavicle? This is juicy.

 

[ThePiombino]

Pyne looked like a deer in the headlights. No quick reads. Took three plus seconds to make every decision. Not what you expect from an upperclassman with in-game experience.

Exactly what I expect from a guy who should be playing intramural football at Notre Dame. Not his fault tho; Tommy Rees looking at this guy in high school and saying, "Him. He's the one," is the real indictment here.

 

[stlnd01]

Exactly what I expect from a guy who should be playing intramural football at Notre Dame. Not his fault tho; Tommy Rees looking at this guy in high school and saying, "Him. He's the one," is the real indictment here.

Clark/Pyne back-to-back was brutal. Especially after losing Phil. We basically struck out in three straight classes. You can't do that.

 

[ThePiombino]

Clark/Pyne back-to-back was brutal. Especially after losing Phil. We basically struck out in three straight classes. You can't do that.

Angeli was brutal as well. The way things are shaping out with Buchner, Rees is effectively 0fer his tenure recruiting the position. And then add that we currently don't have a '23 commit. Egregious.

EDIT: I should add, I don't hate Angeli -- but I do think he should be nothing more than a buffer prospect who SHOULD be sandwiched between two stud QBs. He SHOULD not be our Obi Wan Kenobi (AKA our only hope).

 

[NDFAN2008]

Stop recruiting QB’s that are under 6’3 simple as that

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Exactly what I expect from a guy who should be playing intramural football at Notre Dame. Not his fault tho; Tommy Rees looking at this guy in high school and saying, "Him. He's the one," is the real indictment here.

His ideal QB is slow, white with a noodle arm.

 

[NDPhilly]

Exactly what I expect from a guy who should be playing intramural football at Notre Dame. Not his fault tho; Tommy Rees looking at this guy in high school and saying, "Him. He's the one," is the real indictment here.

Pyne was very highly recruited early in the cycle. He just stopped growing. Regardless, there is no excuse for his lack of development.

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[benneboy]

Without Buchner we may be in a world of hurt. But dang, you are really pessimistic. I see 5-7 as likely. 2-10 is a fireable offense.

Angeli was brutal as well. The way things are shaping out with Buchner, Rees is effectively 0fer his tenure recruiting the position. And then add that we currently don't have a '23 commit. Egregious.

EDIT: I should add, I don't hate Angeli -- but I do think he should be nothing more than a buffer prospect who SHOULD be sandwiched between two stud QBs. He SHOULD not be our Obi Wan Kenobi (AKA our only hope).

We know almost nothing about Angeli at this point.

 

[BoredIrish]

It needs to be said... Pyne was Tommy's guy. The rest of the CFB world realized it and moved on. Very similar story with Angeli.

Even if Tommy is a brilliant X's and O's guy... he is a flaming failure when it comes to the Jimmy's and Joe's.

He belongs in the NFL. I'm almost certain that is where he will end up next year.

 

[stlnd01]

Angeli was brutal as well. The way things are shaping out with Buchner, Rees is effectively 0fer his tenure recruiting the position. And then add that we currently don't have a '23 commit. Egregious.

EDIT: I should add, I don't hate Angeli -- but I do think he should be nothing more than a buffer prospect who SHOULD be sandwiched between two stud QBs. He SHOULD not be our Obi Wan Kenobi (AKA our only hope).

I think Angeli was fine if you're slotting him between Buchner and Moore/Carr. And maybe he'll be OK. But of course he should not be "our only hope" as a true freshman. Again, there should be 2-3 competent QBs AHEAD of Buchner right now in terms of seniority. Ideally, this season, Phil is a 5Y returning starter with Buchner his understudy.
Instead we have Drew Pyne and prayers for Buchner's left shoulder.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm no QB guru, but confused. Is the concern with Buchner his throw/arm strength, or his decision-making?

I only caught the fourth quarter on Saturday but based on that and Ohio State and last year, Buchner seems to have plenty of arm, no matter his motion. He's made some ill-advised throws and missed some guys but that's more about timing and reads.
Seems like something that'd improve with time (whenever he gets back on the field). No?

Absolutely. The pick-6 was horrendous (as was another near pick-6 at one point, I think), but that's a mistake you can accept from a sophomore QB early in the season. You just hope to see him avoiding those mistakes later in the year with more experience.

And I mentioned it somewhere else, but it legitimately seemed like Buchner was starting to dial it in a little bit early in the Marshall game before shit went off the rails. He was off by a full step (or more) when trying to hit deep throws against OSU. There were a couple of deep shots against Marshall where it was just a half step.

It felt like they were getting closer to connecting on the shot plays with more live-fire reps, but maybe that's just glass-half-full stuff.