'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

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Absolutely. The pick-6 was horrendous (as was another near pick-6 at one point, I think), but that's a mistake you can accept from a sophomore QB early in the season. You just hope to see him avoiding those mistakes later in the year with more experience.

And I mentioned it somewhere else, but it legitimately seemed like Buchner was starting to dial it in a little bit early in the Marshall game before shit went off the rails. He was off by a full step (or more) when trying to hit deep throws against OSU. There were a couple of deep shots against Marshall where it was just a half step.

It felt like they were getting closer to connecting on the shot plays with more live-fire reps, but maybe that's just glass-half-full stuff.
Bad throws
Even worse effort by the receivers though.
QBs make bad reads (even vets)
But WRs (especially the Thomas one) HAVE to attack the ball. Unreal lack of effort (same for Colzie TB pick last year).

Not sure why Tommy keeps trying those boundary throws though.
 

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I think Angeli was fine if you're slotting him between Buchner and Moore/Carr. And maybe he'll be OK. But of course he should not be "our only hope" as a true freshman. Again, there should be 2-3 competent QBs AHEAD of Buchner right now in terms of seniority. Ideally, this season, Phil is a 5Y returning starter with Buchner his understudy.
Instead we have Drew Pyne and prayers for Buchner's left shoulder.

That's all on Tommy.
 

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Tommy has failed but I don't get this schtick you continuously go to of he played for ND. He is the most maligned ND QB I remember in my lifetime. People hated him from the start and refused to give him a chance BECAUSE of his QB play at ND.
He has the job because he played at ND. If he had played at Purdue, he wouldn't be the OC here.
 

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He has the job because he played at ND. If he had played at Purdue, he wouldn't be the OC here.

Doesn't matter if that is true, that's not what he is posting about. He thinks ND fans aren't critical of Rees because he played here. The vitriol I heard directed at Rees as player was the worst of any ND player ever. Some really gross stuff. Even take out the vitriol, no one exactly remembers the good times of a Tommy Rees led offense. So why would that allow fans to give him a pass as OC. It doesn't.
 

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He has the job because he played at ND. If he had played at Purdue, he wouldn't be the OC here.
Both points can be true.
He probably wouldn’t have the job if he hadn’t played here (and for Kelly) but also a lot of people had opinions about him from his time as a player that they would not on a guy who played QB at Purdue.
 

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Has there been any real/official update on the status of the injury??!
 

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Both points can be true.
He probably wouldn’t have the job if he hadn’t played here (and for Kelly) but also a lot of people had opinions about him from his time as a player that they would not on a guy who played QB at Purdue.
I'll fully admit that I didn't like him as a player. I never understood why he was hired as QB coach and promoted to OC. It had nothing to do with how I viewed him as a player. Him getting the QB coach job and being promoted to OC always struck me as being incredibly lazy hires and another example of Kelly's nepotism. I didn't think he was qualified for either of those positions, given the caliber of our program. Some of that isn't his fault. He never should've been QB coach or OC to begin with. That's on Kelly. He still isn't great at his job. He's a mediocre QB coach, a mediocre play-caller, and not that great of a recruiter. I struggle to identify what he's doing that benefits the program.
 
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Unbelievable yet totally expected from the jump. Lot of complaints we didn’t bring in someone above Buchner, but by most accounts they wanted a transfer QB, just above Pyne and below Buchner at worry of injury and didn’t get anyone who would be down for that. And now we have the injury.
 

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Unbelievable yet totally expected from the jump. Lot of complaints we didn’t bring in someone above Buchner, but by most accounts they wanted a transfer QB, just above Pyne and below Buchner at worry of injury and didn’t get anyone who would be down for that. And now we have the injury.
Right? If only someone could have seen the injury to the running QB with a history of injuries coming.
 

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Sucks for Buchner. I think we all saw this coming, just didnt' expect it in game 2. I can't believe the staff weren't preaching for him to slide and avoid contact, but then again it's hard to do that when you're constantly behind the chains and you're the only effective runner. (Other than Tyree, but for some reason we only give him 5 touches a game).
 

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I’m going to be brutally honest here, both good and bad. The below is a thing of beauty. That is a sweet, sweet stroke and powerful. Enough power to drive the ball wherever it needs to go. And plenty quick. This was a remarkable athlete with the arm to back it up.


And then this young man, could have, destroyed his football career by getting hung up on dipping his elbow, throwing side arm, and short stepping throws because it’s the cool thing to do. Somehow, we went from the above, to Brandon Wimbush, all while Tommy was banking on this being his guy. WTF happened. And what has Tommy been doing this whole time. Just letting this young man ruin his career. The above isn’t remotely close to how he throws a football these days. Bizarre.
Easy to forget how little game experience he's had in the last three years. The graveyard of HS QB busts is chocked full of these guy, even HS QB's with great mechanics. Even though he got some experience last year, he needs more and I'm one who thought he would take a big step forward with that limited experience.
 

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I can't help but wonder if his injury in the spring prevented the coaches from seeing that they needed to bring in a grad transfer.
 

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Sucks for Buchner. I think we all saw this coming, just didnt' expect it in game 2. I can't believe the staff weren't preaching for him to slide and avoid contact, but then again it's hard to do that when you're constantly behind the chains and you're the only effective runner. (Other than Tyree, but for some reason we only give him 5 touches a game).

I’d say there was a plan to not run him as much but it went out the window when we were losing. All the commentary mid game was lean into running Buchner, Rees needs to realize he needs to run Buchner. And then Buchner ran.
 

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This off-season is going to be absolutely fascinating, regarding the QB position. Buchner did absolutely nothing in real game time that gives the staff/fans confidence that he’ll be ready to take over again in 2023. If Angeli or Pyne do something good this year…oh boy.
 

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I’d say there was a plan to not run him as much but it went out the window when we were losing. All the commentary mid game was lean into running Buchner, Rees needs to realize he needs to run Buchner. And then Buchner ran.
I agree 100%, Sampson was tweeting about Rees being pretty stubborn instead of leaning into what worked: Buchner's legs and Mayer/TEs.

Like I said, when you're losing, and you need chunk plays because you're constantly in a 2nd and long situation or 3rd down, you can't slide. Need those yards.

What a disaster. Harry needs to hold up his end of the bargain and get these OL boys fired up.
 

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This off-season is going to be absolutely fascinating, regarding the QB position. Buchner did absolutely nothing in real game time that gives the staff/fans confidence that he’ll be ready to take over again in 2023. If Angeli or Pyne does something good this year…oh boy.
FIFY, Pyne aint' it, man.
 

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Unless Angeli comes out of nowhere and plays well you almost have to expect the 2023 QB will be a transfer. You’ll have a coming off injury Buchner who hasn’t consistently played since he was a JR in HS.
 

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This off-season is going to be absolutely fascinating, regarding the QB position. Buchner did absolutely nothing in real game time that gives the staff/fans confidence that he’ll be ready to take over again in 2023. If Angeli or Pyne do something good this year…oh boy.
I think Buchner will hit the portal. Same with Pyne. I think they'll bring in at least 1 grad transfer, maybe 2. It doesn't look like they'll flip Minchey or Johnson and all of Rees' eggs appear to be in the Carr reclassification basket. It's uncertain whether Carr will reclassify and it doesn't look like Tommy will be back, so they might have to scramble for another body at QB in 2023. If Carr doesn't reclassify, I'd just take 2 grad transfer QB's. I don't want them to waste a scholarship on another RPIII or Clark at QB.

Gun to my head, Cade McNamara will be the ND starting QB in 2023.
 

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I do think this increase the odds CJ reclassifies. Not because of the conspiracy Rees is pressuring him but it’d just be a prudent business decision by him. The job is now there for the taking. A dream 2022 where Buchner went off it wouldn’t have been.
 
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