‘21 AL QB Riley Leonard (Duke Transfer - Notre Dame Verbal)

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Jiggafini19Deux said:
Is his footwork fucked because he's not totally healed?

He had a fairly serious injury less than a year ago and another surgery on top of it. He's obviously cleared medically, but is there something else lingered there? Is it mental?
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This was a problem back in 2022. I think it’s just a skill problem.

But to JamIrish’s point. He’s going to have a huge game in here somewhere and everyone will going back to forgetting this is a problem, until it happens again.
 
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Luckylucci said:
This was a problem back in 2022. I think it’s just a skill problem.

But to JamIrish’s point. He’s going to have a huge game in here somewhere and everyone will going back to forgetting this is a problem, until it happens again.
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And now he has the surgeries on top of it.

Jeff Lebby offered Leonard when Lebby was at Ole Miss. It's crazy.
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
Is his footwork fucked because he's not totally healed?

He had a fairly serious injury less than a year ago and another surgery on top of it. He's obviously cleared medically, but is there something else lingered there? Is it mental?
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Leonard has played relatively little football in the last 12 months. Five healthy games last year, three of them against tomato cans. Then he missed spring ball (tho Northwestern was probably better than NIU is). And he had accuracy issues before he got hurt.

Maybe what we're seeing now shouldn't be surprising; maybe what's surprising is that we (and especially the coaching staff) didn't see this coming.
 
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stlnd01 said:
Leonard has played relatively little football in the last 12 months. Five healthy games last year, three of them against tomato cans. Then he missed spring ball (tho Northwestern was probably better than NIU is). And he had accuracy issues before he got hurt.

Maybe what we're seeing now shouldn't be surprising; maybe what's surprising is that we (and especially the coaching staff) didn't see this coming.
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His sophomore year numbers were pretty stellar.
 
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Imagine if they had paid for McCord instead? I wonder if he was even a possibility?
 
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stlnd01 said:
Leonard has played relatively little football in the last 12 months. Five healthy games last year, three of them against tomato cans. Then he missed spring ball (tho Northwestern was probably better than NIU is). And he had accuracy issues before he got hurt.

Maybe what we're seeing now shouldn't be surprising; maybe what's surprising is that we (and especially the coaching staff) didn't see this coming.
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Bonus points for tomato cans.
 
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#1rish said:
Imagine if they had paid for McCord instead? I wonder if he was even a possibility?
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This is not meant to come off as snarky, bear with me: the fact that our current starter is so bad that we are discussing hypothetically going after Kyle McCord is bottom of the barrel bad.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that McCord appears to be better, but we did, and absolutely should have, aimed higher than him in the portal.

Honestly, just stop chasing the portal guys. Hindsight is 20/20, but imagine where we'd be if we stuck with Angeli or had an open QB competition with him, Minchey & Carr. We were all fooled by Riley (so far). I don't think anyone can convince me that we would've lost to aTm with Angeli, who likely would've hit a few more passes to offset the plays Riley made with his legs.

Yeah, the ceiling on our season, or at least the perception of our season's ceiling, would've been lower if we didn't land Leonard. But we'd also be 2-0 right now, more than likely.
 
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Some Irish Bloke said:
This is not meant to come off as snarky, bear with me: the fact that our current starter is so bad that we are discussing hypothetically going after Kyle McCord is bottom of the barrel bad.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that McCord appears to be better, but we did, and absolutely should have, aimed higher than him in the portal.

Honestly, just stop chasing the portal guys. Hindsight is 20/20, but imagine where we'd be if we stuck with Angeli or had an open QB competition with him, Minchey & Carr. We were all fooled by Riley (so far). I don't think anyone can convince me that we would've lost to aTm with Angeli, who likely would've hit a few more passes to offset the plays Riley made with his legs.

Yeah, the ceiling on our season, or at least the perception of our season's ceiling, would've been lower if we didn't land Leonard. But we'd also be 2-0 right now, more than likely.
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No snark at all; I 100% agree. I guess it was more of a hindsight observation that McCord transferred to Syracuse out of all places and perhaps could have been a better target/fit here.
 
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Over his last 9 starts going back to the start of last year, Riley Leonard:
Has completed 133 of 227 pass attempts (an atrocious 58%)
Has thrown only 3 TD passes
Has thrown 5 interceptions
Saturday wasn't a fluke. That is who he is as a QB. If Freeman cannot see that it is time to move on to another QB then it may be time for Notre Dame to move on from Marcus Freeman. The only other FBS teams to not have a passing TD yet this season are Miami of Ohio, Northwestern, Air Force, and Western Michigan. That is the tier the passing game is on with Riley at QB.
 
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PigtownIrish said:
Is it possible that Gino is not a great QB coach?
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How can you possibly know? If anyone is going to tell us that it would be Minchey and Carr. What do Hartman and Leonard tell us about Gino? He's been at ND since last season and is on his second ACC portal QB and second OC.
 
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domerfreak said:
Over his last 9 starts going back to the start of last year, Riley Leonard:
Has completed 133 of 227 pass attempts (an atrocious 58%)
Has thrown only 3 TD passes
Has thrown 5 interceptions
Saturday wasn't a fluke. That is who he is as a QB. If Freeman cannot see that it is time to move on to another QB then it may be time for Notre Dame to move on from Marcus Freeman. The only other FBS teams to not have a passing TD yet this season are Miami of Ohio, Northwestern, Air Force, and Western Michigan. That is the tier the passing game is on with Riley at QB.
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Whatever he's getting in NIL, its not costing them as much as it would for this season to go off the rails.
 
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While I have been much less excited for Leonard as most have been. I woundn’t take this an opportunity to bench him per se. But I would take this as an opportunity to get someone ready.

Then run him as much as needed to win. If you lose him to injury, you lose him to injury.

The risk to him being injured is we lose the game. As noted very early in the NIU game thread, the risk to not running him is also losing the game.

Run Riley, run!
 
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MacIrish75 said:
It’s not even like they’re just status quo from their prior posting…they’re worse lol.
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Hartman was 24 years old when he got to ND.

Leonard turns 22 on Friday.

I really don't know that Gino is the issue, but we're not going to know that until we see Angeli, Minchey or Carr in a real game.
 
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domerfreak said:
Over his last 9 starts going back to the start of last year, Riley Leonard:
Has completed 133 of 227 pass attempts (an atrocious 58%)
Has thrown only 3 TD passes
Has thrown 5 interceptions
Saturday wasn't a fluke. That is who he is as a QB. If Freeman cannot see that it is time to move on to another QB then it may be time for Notre Dame to move on from Marcus Freeman. The only other FBS teams to not have a passing TD yet this season are Miami of Ohio, Northwestern, Air Force, and Western Michigan. That is the tier the passing game is on with Riley at QB.
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Haha holy shit, 3 TDs in 9 starts is insanely bad

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GrangerIrish24 said:
Smart. If they start winning that leaves you the option to come back around and admittedly love all the good things the team is doing.
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Most frustrating thing is we’re doing SO MANY good things and it’s all ruined by the fact we can’t even have a 2 TD 1 INT 70% completion percentage per game game manager QB.
 
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