2024 Spring Practice Thread

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Honestly Angeli is the most unlikely of the 4 to have a shot in the NFL and he seems smart enough to realize that. Why wouldn't he want to stick around to get his degree before becoming a grad transfer and have a shot to start at a power 4 school after that? Seems logical to me that he stays.
Although I think Angeli is the most likely to leave, I can’t disagree with your line of thinking. However, if Angeli does decide to stay I think that hurts our odds of keeping Minchey. Don’t think I like that trade.
 

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Finally got around to watching it, my brother tied the knot Saturday and I didn't get to catch much of the game.

Obviously, a ton of hype in the RB room, particularly with Love. He's going to be an absolute problem for defenses all over the field. I was also very impressed with Gi'Bran Payne, who reportedly had a really nice Spring. It showed on Saturday. Dude has really solid vision and balance and made some excellent plays out there. The depth at RB is really something.

Carr looked super decisive and not overwhelmed by the college game at all. I know it's a scrimmage, but he just looks so damn poised for a dude that should be picking out a tux for prom right now. His arm talent really jumps out, as well.

Angeli looks pretty damn comfortable. I know a lot of people are looking for Carr or Minchey to separate themselves as the heir apparent at the position after this year, but I feel really good about our QB2 situation with Angeli, should something happen to Leonard this year. He's not a guy who will win us a natty, but he's surely a guy who can keep a high floor for this offense and win us a couple of games if Leonard gets banged up. Can't stress enough how important it is to have that as your backup QB.

Would be nice to see Colzie have a Boykin-esque senior year leap. He's always had the size, but he showed strong hands Saturday and made some nice contested catches. It looks like we may go yet another year without a 1,000 yard receiver, but the improvement in depth is evident after Saturday with the transfer and freshman additions. I think the whole committee of WRs will be more than enough to compete this fall.

Defense looks stacked from top to bottom. Really excited to see this LB group, which seems to be much more athletic than what we're accustomed to.

Payne looked pretty good running the ball, but he's absolutely got to clean up the fumble-itis. He lost one, and would have lost that second ball if Replay was active on Saturday.
 

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You have to remember that all of these quarterbacks were THE guy in high school. Even if you don’t see the NFL potential their confidence is sky high.
It’s hard to look past that when you’re 20 years old and full of youthful ignorance.
 

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I agree. The one thing I really want to see that I felt has been missing is physicality. Maybe you disagree and I’m happy to hear your stances, but I’ve felt that all of MF’s teams, so far, haven’t been aggressive or physical against elite competition. For example, looking at last year, we certainly matched Ohio State’s physicality. But what was their big knock? What did Lou say about them? They were soft and that was a main component why meatchicken surpassed them. Clemson, Duke and Louisville were notably more physical and aggressive in my opinion. They were frustrating times were I felt like Central Michigan and NC State were taking it to us. I want to see a pissed off, dominant, aggressive, relentless team and style of play.

I totally agree...but when was the last time we really had that physical style of ball on both sides across the board? Holtz?
 

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Isn't it crazy that this year we finally started to line up all the pieces to a complete team, yet, of all the year, our OL is going to be the big concern? Of all the times to have a young, unproven OL, it has to be THIS year. Ugh.
 

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I know I am still on an island here but I don't get the hype over Leonard. I hope I am wrong. Minchey does seem like the odd man out.
When healthy Riley Leonard is an incredibly dynamic dual threat QB. He'll excel in Denbrock's offense. I don't really understand why you think Minchey is the odd man out and not Angeli if I'm being honest here.
 

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When healthy Riley Leonard is an incredibly dynamic dual threat QB. He'll excel in Denbrock's offense. I don't really understand why you think Minchey is the odd man out and not Angeli if I'm being honest here.

Not to speak for KMac, but Angeli showed great poise and decision making. He was very comfortable in the pocket and showed his maturity. In basically half a game he threw for 228 yards and put together three good scoring drives I think. While Minchey did have less weapons to work with, he threw for about 123, put together a couple scoring drives, and had two costly turnovers. One turnover in particular was pretty bad, he was pressured and threw the ball into coverage for an easy pick. Angeli didn't push the ball down the field like Carr and Minchey did, but there wasn't really a need to either. He was moving the ball being conservative.

Angeli isn't going to win any Heisman votes, but he's a very solid QB that is going to play well if Leonard goes down. I'd rather see Carr get the reps personally, but you need a steady backup QB like Angeli.
 

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ND just posted the full recording of the B-G game to their YouTube channel for those who haven't seen it yet:


Here was the pick I was referring to. Flanagan was completely covered, there was no chance he was getting this ball. Minchey is still a freshman, so he'll learn from this, but you can't throw it into coverage like this. About the 31:22 mark

 

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Isn't it crazy that this year we finally started to line up all the pieces to a complete team, yet, of all the year, our OL is going to be the big concern? Of all the times to have a young, unproven OL, it has to be THIS year. Ugh.
It wasn't too long ago (2021?) that I recall the OL not being very good, at least in the first half of the season.

I'll preface this by saying I'm pretty much an optimist by default. I think it's fair to say OL is the biggest question mark, but I don't know if I'd call the OL a "concern", at least not yet. I think it's too early to tell, and we have always recruited the position well. We're certainly filling some major holes with the departures at both tackle spots, but I'm hoping they'll find the right five guys to gel as a unit and get the job done.

Let's see how things go this summer with workouts, let the nee S&C coach mold these youngsters and see what we've go in August. I'm not losing sleep over the OL just yet.
 

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OL isn’t a concern.
Just win week one with a mobile quarterback and they’ll have plenty of time to gel into something special.
 

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Not to speak for KMac, but Angeli showed great poise and decision making. He was very comfortable in the pocket and showed his maturity. In basically half a game he threw for 228 yards and put together three good scoring drives I think. While Minchey did have less weapons to work with, he threw for about 123, put together a couple scoring drives, and had two costly turnovers. One turnover in particular was pretty bad, he was pressured and threw the ball into coverage for an easy pick. Angeli didn't push the ball down the field like Carr and Minchey did, but there wasn't really a need to either. He was moving the ball being conservative.

Angeli isn't going to win any Heisman votes, but he's a very solid QB that is going to play well if Leonard goes down. I'd rather see Carr get the reps personally, but you need a steady backup QB like Angeli.
All of these reasons + the actual game experience + having 3 years of eligibility left are why Angeli's far more likely to be the starting QB at a school like Pitt or Illinois than the backup at ND IMO.
 

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Looking at the team, for me, it's the biggest question mark position group we have. It just seems, there are year's where we have 2 or 3 (or more, sadly) position groups that aren't championship caliber. That's not typically the OL. We usually field a solid unit there.

The Quinn years and Clausen years had great QB play, receiver play, TE play, OL play for the most part, but to be matched with an atrocious defense. More recently, in particular the Book year's and the past few years, it's felt like we've been a quality QB away from winning. The past few years, WR play has been horrible.

We may still be a deep playoff contending team, but the offense will struggle if we can't block anyone. I'm hoping they come of age quickly.
 

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Looking at the team, for me, it's the biggest question mark position group we have. It just seems, there are year's where we have 2 or 3 (or more, sadly) position groups that aren't championship caliber. That's not typically the OL. We usually field a solid unit there.

The Quinn years and Clausen years had great QB play, receiver play, TE play, OL play for the most part, but to be matched with an atrocious defense. More recently, in particular the Book year's and the past few years, it's felt like we've been a quality QB away from winning. The past few years, WR play has been horrible.

We may still be a deep playoff contending team, but the offense will struggle if we can't block anyone. I'm hoping they come of age quickly.
Yes, if we can get one starting OT and one CB as a depth piece out of the portal we will have the most well rounded team I can remember
 

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Looking at the team, for me, it's the biggest question mark position group we have. It just seems, there are year's where we have 2 or 3 (or more, sadly) position groups that aren't championship caliber. That's not typically the OL. We usually field a solid unit there.

The Quinn years and Clausen years had great QB play, receiver play, TE play, OL play for the most part, but to be matched with an atrocious defense. More recently, in particular the Book year's and the past few years, it's felt like we've been a quality QB away from winning. The past few years, WR play has been horrible.

We may still be a deep playoff contending team, but the offense will struggle if we can't block anyone. I'm hoping they come of age quickly.
There is a difference between a “question mark” and a “concern.”

Yes we have some questions on the OL. But we also have a lot of talented linemen with the potential to answer those questions. So it’s not (yet) a “concern. Compare with, say, the WR rooms of some recent years. Those were concerning!
 

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All of these reasons + the actual game experience + having 3 years of eligibility left are why Angeli's far more likely to be the starting QB at a school like Pitt or Illinois than the backup at ND IMO.

Maybe so, but as of right now Angeli looks to be the backup here. Like I said, I would prefer Carr be the one getting reps for the future simply because he IS the future, but I'm not upset if a solid QB with college experience like Angeli is sticking around. I could see either Angeli and/or Minchey bolting because they both have ability, Steve being the more polished one and Kenny having the higher ceiling.
 

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There is a difference between a “question mark” and a “concern.”

Yes we have some questions on the OL. But we also have a lot of talented linemen with the potential to answer those questions. So it’s not (yet) a “concern. Compare with, say, the WR rooms of some recent years. Those were concerning!
Oh yeah, I completely agree. Lots of talent, just unproven. They may come together and be a strength, who knows. They just have to prove it.
 

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I'll be tracking O'Leary's career. Awesome coach with an upward trajectory. Indiana guy. Does he stay in the league and spurning the college grind?

Would he return to become a DC after mickens leaves for a head coaching job after they win a natty in '28 with Gunner?

#Freetree
 

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I'll be tracking O'Leary's career. Awesome coach with an upward trajectory. Indiana guy. Does he stay in the league and spurning the college grind?

Would he return to become a DC after mickens leaves for a head coaching job after they win a natty in '28 with Gunner?

#Freetree

Attaboy!
 
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