2024-2025 ND Basketball Thread

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Shrews will be entering year 3 without (probably) his two best players and zero momentum. Another under .500 seems likely.

An absolute atrocious hire.

I think he’s going to have success elsewhere if he fails here. Everyone in the industry thinks very highly of him. We didn’t give him the NIL support he needed in player acquisition until the past summer.

His 2025 HS class shows that he can get talent when he’s supported properly, unlike the 2024 transfer portal class.
 

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I just don't see Notre Dame becoming good at basketball because of NBA draft eligibility rules. Notre Dames biggest selling point is academics, most of the stars are one or two seasons and then draft candidates so they don't care as much about the degree as football players who play 3-4 years. Also basketball is far less of a team sport then football. In football you can have a really good team filled with 4 star players, in basketball you need stars and the 5 star kids don't stick long.
You can absolutely be good. But you have to get great talent (but not NBA caliber underclassman talent) that sticks around for 3-5 years, then couple that with an impact transfer or two, and maybe a star 1 and done. A school like ND can absolutely do this, we just haven't.
 

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Shrews will be entering year 3 without (probably) his two best players and zero momentum. Another under .500 seems likely.

An absolute atrocious hire.
You think Tae Davis will transfer too? I don’t see that one but could see Burton.
 

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Keep this in mind, to those of you who may not like Shrewsberry

The overarching travesty is that during the tail end of Brey's career both he and the administration let off the gas with the program. The program was growing, stale, and most could see it. Year by year it dwindle to less and less. And before you knew it, ND was a near bottom feeder, right when NIL hits...

Because ND was at (or near) the bottom of the hill when NIL hit, this is going to make the climb out that much more challenging. This is not a good situation, at all. Is Micah the right man for the job? I think so. But it is possible that it is just going to be too hard to climb. Its going to be tough regardless.
 

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Keep this in mind, to those of you who may not like Shrewsberry

The overarching travesty is that during the tail end of Brey's career both he and the administration let off the gas with the program. The program was growing, stale, and most could see it. Year by year it dwindle to less and less. And before you knew it, ND was a near bottom feeder, right when NIL hits...

Because ND was at (or near) the bottom of the hill when NIL hit, this is going to make the climb out that much more challenging. This is not a good situation, at all. Is Micah the right man for the job? I think so. But it is possible that it is just going to be too hard to climb. Its going to be tough regardless.
you can dig out pretty quickly in the current NIL/ Portal world. Shrews has show the ability to recruit, he needs to step it up in the portal and if he can we'll be good again. However, if the University won't pay then all bets are off. And no one good will want the job.
 

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Ironically we need some of our players with eligibility to leave as we have the max (13) returning counting the four signees. Since this site doesn't have a ban on transfer discussion (howdy to you El Kabong) I'll speculate: you have to recruit the guys you want and show the one's you don't want the door while hitting the portal for your needs. Post is an obvious need, Njie sucks, we need to upgrade there. We could also use a real point guard so Burton can play off the ball; he is not a point guard. If we can get a pass first point in the portal and Burton stays sorry Imes, you're not a major college player. If others leave (plenty of possibilities there) we need to get replacements at their position(s) from the portal too.
Fans need to understand the landscape has changed. Players get paid, they aren't choosing schools based on academics anymore. We need to upgrade the basketball product to attract upgraded talent.
 

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I really like Ryan Beasley from San Francisco. He‘ll be a JR next year. Have followed him since last season. Reminds me a lot of Burton but they would play off each other very well. Not sure if he’d ever leave San Fran but his brother is graduating. Super under the radar talent.
Need a big that can defend. Need a big that can score.
Stojakovic would be a dream assuming he hits the portal. Probably USC bound.
 
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I just don't see Notre Dame becoming good at basketball because of NBA draft eligibility rules. Notre Dames biggest selling point is academics, most of the stars are one or two seasons and then draft candidates so they don't care as much about the degree as football players who play 3-4 years. Also basketball is far less of a team sport then football. In football you can have a really good team filled with 4 star players, in basketball you need stars and the 5 star kids don't stick long.
Doesn't UNC try to employ the 4 star 3-4 year model? Was kinda surprised to see them go this route since other blue bloods seem to be going the one and done path. I know they have struggled but it isn't clear if the problem is the coaching or what. Of course even Davis took them to a final four with that method.What I'm saying is, if arguably the greatest men's bball program has concluded they can still employ the 4 year method, then it is possible for it to work at ND as well right? I'm not saying ND would be on NC's level of course, but there is no reason 4 year high 3/low 4-star players cant compete with a team of 1 year 5 stars with quality coaching.
How about St. John's? Aren't they also relying on coaching and continuity vs recruiting?
If anything, one would assume the NIL situation could benefit ND because other good teams face turnover and less ability to gel. I think it all depends on the leadership/coaching and having a clear system. Any type of system can excel. Especially in basketball where good teams can appear out of nowhere with the right staff.
My guess is you have to have a well thought out methodical plan of action.
 
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Prister said on the II pod today that Burton should leave. Tim has zero faith in Shrewsberry to turn this around
 

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I just don't see Notre Dame becoming good at basketball because of NBA draft eligibility rules. Notre Dames biggest selling point is academics, most of the stars are one or two seasons and then draft candidates so they don't care as much about the degree as football players who play 3-4 years. Also basketball is far less of a team sport then football. In football you can have a really good team filled with 4 star players, in basketball you need stars and the 5 star kids don't stick long.
In my opinion, the transfer portal building of college basketball team model is going to kill our ability to be a consistent program in college basketball.
Not only will our coach either shrews or whoever comes after him need to continue to recruit and retain active players on our team year in and year out, but he will need to find a way to revamp a roster year in and year out with very strict transfer academic standards for anyone who isn’t a graduate transfer.

I heard Pitino tell the PMT guys the other week that he at St. John’s has all but abandoned high school recruiting, because in the NIL era he can rebuild a new team of upper classmen every offseason.
Very interesting times, and I'm very happy that the men’s team likely has their best high school recruiting class of all time coming in this summer, but I’m just nervous what it truly means in todays landscape of the sport.
 

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In ancient, and probably irrelevant-to-today, history, GONZAGA did the impossible using the following:

A. initially: low 4 stars sprinkled with high ceiling 3 stars, all with positive "character" traits. These traits were considered paramount. They included hard-work, low ego, team-oriented people who relished both being coached-up and the fact that opponents thought they weren't good enough. This, with coaching leadership, created "culture."

B. (The impossible one) ---- a great coaching staff, which (after Few took over from the original fellow who started it) maintained solid continuity and friendship working relationships. The Head Coach was not a tyrant.

C. A deep dive "Plan" for the development of each recruit. Recruits were intensively evaluated and in GONZAGA's pre-Fame years, each player was assessed as to where large changes/growth needed to come if that player were to have a chance to reach potential. This included liberal use of the redshirt year concept, and very specific point-by-point plans in a player's evolution. These specific player plans were ready for each player during his high school final year, and were brought to the players and their families as part of the recruitment process.

D. The above resulted in the first Sweet Sixteen of three in a row. This resulted in a much greater amount of funding available to optimize facilities (and a dramatic rise in university enrollment, which got admin full on board.)

E. Once three Sweet Sixteens in a row occurred, GONZAGA could then choose to go the transfer route, or the high school top ten route or whatever they wished --- but the staff continuity and the high team character fit with culture remain priorities.
 

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In my opinion, the transfer portal building of college basketball team model is going to kill our ability to be a consistent program in college basketball.
Not only will our coach either shrews or whoever comes after him need to continue to recruit and retain active players on our team year in and year out, but he will need to find a way to revamp a roster year in and year out with very strict transfer academic standards for anyone who isn’t a graduate transfer.

I heard Pitino tell the PMT guys the other week that he at St. John’s has all but abandoned high school recruiting, because in the NIL era he can rebuild a new team of upper classmen every offseason.
Very interesting times, and I'm very happy that the men’s team likely has their best high school recruiting class of all time coming in this summer, but I’m just nervous what it truly means in todays landscape of the sport.
You have to find the sweet spot of blending portal and recruiting, but with ND, I think the best path is the same as those mid majors teams that make deep runs in the tournament. Every year there are a couple that make some noise. The common denominator is they are made up of 4 & 5 year players who developed and learned to play as a team.
 

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You have to find the sweet spot of blending portal and recruiting, but with ND, I think the best path is the same as those mid majors teams that make deep runs in the tournament. Every year there are a couple that make some noise. The common denominator is they are made up of 4 & 5 year players who developed and learned to play as a team.
Old Man Mike made a great point...

Culture is key...we need to clone Marcus Freeman and his offshoot Marcos Freemen would develop the 4-5 year players...the 1 and dones wont thrive at ND..Brey had some great teams and it worked for the school. Need a true big...one failing of the Brey era...
 

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Keep this in mind, to those of you who may not like Shrewsberry

The overarching travesty is that during the tail end of Brey's career both he and the administration let off the gas with the program. The program was growing, stale, and most could see it. Year by year it dwindle to less and less. And before you knew it, ND was a near bottom feeder, right when NIL hits...

Because ND was at (or near) the bottom of the hill when NIL hit, this is going to make the climb out that much more challenging. This is not a good situation, at all. Is Micah the right man for the job? I think so. But it is possible that it is just going to be too hard to climb. Its going to be tough regardless.
Great post, for those anxious posters who want the program turned around in 1-2 seasons at NOTRE DAME isn't going to happen. Brey's better years didn't come within the first few years, it took him time (that burn offense was great to watch).

Enter Shrewsbury with 3 players on the roster is going to make it hard for any coach. When he got hired he made a point to gain a relationship with La Lumiere and it paid off with the Haralson commit. Brey never had a top 5 recruiting class and look how soon Shrews got a top 5 class. Shrews is winning with small steps. Take into consideration at Notre Dame where football gets all of the attention. Gotta give Shrews some time to get his guys that fits his style/culture.
 

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Great post, for those anxious posters who want the program turned around in 1-2 seasons at NOTRE DAME isn't going to happen. Brey's better years didn't come within the first few years, it took him time (that burn offense was great to watch).

Enter Shrewsbury with 3 players on the roster is going to make it hard for any coach. When he got hired he made a point to gain a relationship with La Lumiere and it paid off with the Haralson commit. Brey never had a top 5 recruiting class and look how soon Shrews got a top 5 class. Shrews is winning with small steps. Take into consideration at Notre Dame where football gets all of the attention. Gotta give Shrews some time to get his guys that fits his style/culture.
ND went to the tournament the first three years of Mike Breys’s tenure and won the west division of the big east conference in his first year.

Through his first 17 years at ND he only missed the tournament 5 times.

I believe Shrewsberry deserves another year but the product has been poor. There should have been improvement from the team in year 2 and there wasn’t, and it happened in a year when the ACC was poor.
 

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Completely understand why the athletic administration made the decision they did, but watching this St. John’s vs Creighton Big East final reminds me of what a terrible decision it was for basketball specifically to leave the Big East.
This time of year is always sad for me as a Northeast fan that was lucky enough to watch Brey and his boys play a few times in my teenage years at the Garden.
 

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Completely understand why the athletic administration made the decision they did, but watching this St. John’s vs Creighton Big East final reminds me of what a terrible decision it was for basketball specifically to leave the Big East.
This time of year is always sad for me as a Northeast fan that was lucky enough to watch Brey and his boys play a few times in my teenage years at the Garden.
It wasn't a terrible decision. It's easy to say in 2025 that ND MBB would be much better off in the Big East, but it wasn't at all easy to say in 2012 when ND made the decision. The Big East was extremely unstable leading up to ND's decision (as well as other Big East teams like Syracuse and Pittsburg). Not only that, but the main concern was finding a stable, power conference that would take all of ND's sports except for football. Carving out another exception for BB wasn't at all realistic.
 

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As a philly native who hates Nova with a passion, I miss the Big East so much. Used to go up to MSG every year. I couldn’t give less of a shit about Georgia Tech and Wake Forest. Would love to be with the other Catholic schools.
 

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As a philly native who hates Nova with a passion, I miss the Big East so much. Used to go up to MSG every year. I couldn’t give less of a shit about Georgia Tech and Wake Forest. Would love to be with the other Catholic schools.

Yup, and if basketball was in the Big East, the #1 reason for needing to continue our stupid arrangement with the ACC in football disappears.
 

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It wasn't a terrible decision. It's easy to say in 2025 that ND MBB would be much better off in the Big East, but it wasn't at all easy to say in 2012 when ND made the decision. The Big East was extremely unstable leading up to ND's decision (as well as other Big East teams like Syracuse and Pittsburg). Not only that, but the main concern was finding a stable, power conference that would take all of ND's sports except for football. Carving out another exception for BB wasn't at all realistic.
I think your answer sums up my thoughts.
It was the short term correct decision for what the landscape seemed at the time the administration had to make the decision.
However, with hindsight if the ACC (I understand big if) would have allowed the other Olympic sports + football partnership it would have been much better long term to carve out basketball in the Big East.
Administrators get paid the big bucks to see through the trees, and make / force others to agree to these decisions.

The program has been poor for the better part of now about the past 7-8 years, and no one can convince me otherwise that one of the main reasons why every time you turn on an ND conference home game these past few years and it sounds like a funeral home is because we’re playing teams that we have no real stake against / animosity.
 

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Have to remember UCONN only recently rejoined the Big East. I think the admin made the right move at the time, Nova and Georgetown were the only real “power bball programs” in the conference and they are even stretches. Compare that to UNC / Duke / Syracuse / Louisville / UVA / NC State and it’s not close.
 

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In 21 games this season at Illinois Booth averaged 1.2 points a game vs. him potentially starting at ND this season. Bad move on Booth's part, the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I think Mohammed stays. I think these players could potentially transfer out: Roper, Imes, 1 of 2- Sundra or Njie, and Konieczny.
 

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In 21 games this season at Illinois Booth averaged 1.2 points a game vs. him potentially starting at ND this season. Bad move on Booth's part, the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I think Mohammed stays. I think these players could potentially transfer out: Roper, Imes, 1 of 2- Sundra or Njie, and Konieczny.
Roper’s out of eligibility unless they change the rules.
 

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Burton already tested the NBA waters last year before deciding to return. I hope he stays, but I'm sure he'll look into it again and see if his draft stock improved at all with his better shooting %. Not sure if he will ever be that highly regarded as an NBA prospect at his size, but we'll see.

Maybe he stays to see how it works out with the talent coming in, maybe he transfers to see if a "bigger" program can boost his stock? Idk. Tough to predict.
He might as well stay and get a guaranteed NIL pay day. Anyone know how much NIL money he gets?
 

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Even Prister thinks Burton should transfer to a better program w/ a chance at winning.
 
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