2023 Transfer QB

[pumpdog20]

Petras or bust

 

[CTIDANDREW]

There are some really good OC and QB combinations out there (not so much that we need to get both but that more so highlights that they are mostly from non-major teams who are doing good, successful things that should look to tap into for our GT QB and/or OC). Here are some good combinations with the OC listed first:

• Tulane: Slade Nagle and Michael Pratt
• Texas State: Mack Leftwich and TJ Finley
• JMU: Michael Shanahan (in no way related to the famous coach) and Jordan McCloud
  • This is one I’ve most recently become interested in because Shanahan played for college majors (Pitt), spent a few years on NFL teams (on practice teams) and has worked his way up at JMU who are undefeated and he's been able to take a QB on his third college team and make him the #11 rated QB on the latest CF Network list; oh and he is the OC AND WR coach which would be good for ND!
• Arizona: Brennan Carroll and Jayden de Laura
• Missouri: Kirby Moore and Brady Cook
• Oregon State: Brian Lindgren and DJ Uiagalelei
• UCLA: Ryan Gunderson and Collin Schlee
• Kansas: Andy Kotelnicki and Jalon Daniels
• SMU: Casey Woods and Preston Stone

This would be incredibly intriguing to say the least.
With the offensive line certainly taking a dip next year, plus a likely continued subpar skill position group again for a playoff hopeful program it would be incredibly beneficial to have a top athlete behind center who can win games with thier feet.

DJ is currently 11th in QBR. If he has any interest the staff should be all over it.
I'm not sure what his pro prospects are so doing a grad transfer season makes a lot of sense for him NIL wise.
I'm sure he will be a hot commodity if he does decide to play in college for one more year.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Maalik Murphy is the only transfer id be excited about

 

[MacIrish75]

Give me Arch Manning

 

[Lberry]

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I have no doubt Parker has an Iowa QB as his #1 target.

 

[Kingbish01]

Maalik Murphy is the only transfer id be excited about

Too much of a project, he'd be at the bottom of my list. I wanna ruin someone that balled out at their previous school.

 

[NDWarrior]

Ah and let's not forget, the objective is a final-year GT QB not a Freshman - ND already is well stocked with talented QB underclassmen.

 

[ulukinatme]

It may hurt, but I don't expect much next season. We need to roll with one of our own guys next season and build. Can't take 3 transfers in 4 years, it'll scare away future recruits and you better believe other schools will be using that to negative recruit.

 

[NDWarrior]

It may hurt, but I don't expect much next season. We need to roll with one of our own guys next season and build. Can't take 3 transfers in 4 years, it'll scare away future recruits and you better believe other schools will be using that to negative recruit.

I disagree... We lost the upperclassmen QBs who would be in position to be #1 and #2 if they were talented enough so we need to backfill but only with a GT QB who has one year remaining; if the underclassmen are good, they will win the job. If we keep getting stud QB recruits moving fwd there will mainly be no need to get a GT QB, but since someone like Carr might end starting for 3 years, which could ND to lose the 1 and 2 year veterans who will want to go elsewhere for playing time, we may require backfilling for that situation. Bottom line is that it's a delicate situation that needs to be evaluated on a yearly basis, and unfortunately, there will always be QBs coming and going. That said, other than for depth reasons, I have no issues with the coaches making a go of it with current talented roster and just making sure we have a PWO QB on tap for any dire depth situations that are very unlikely to occur, but you never know. This is my 2 cents anyway.

 

[MacIrish75]

Unless you’re positive that Minchey is ready—and MF obviously isn’t confident in that—you take a GT one more year until Minchey and CJ are ready to battle it out for the helm in ‘25.

Next year’s schedule is super favorable and you can’t just punt on an entire season in order to prep for the next one.

 

[ulukinatme]

Minchey has apparently looked good in Scout team work, and Angeli hasn't looked too bad in limited reps. We've finally gotten some momentum in bringing in good talent at the position, we absolutely have to develop it. If we take a 3rd transfer in 4 years, and a casual fan like me notices that fact, opposing recruiters and potential players will absolutely notice it and will use it against us.

With the playoff expanding next season we don't have to run the table or even necessarily have just one loss to get in. There's greater potential in landing a spot, and if we can't make a 12 team playoff we weren't good enough to compete anyway. If there's a tremendous talent available to transfer then sure, consider taking them. We've been a bit lucky getting Coan and Hartman, I'm not sure we get that 3rd guy for next year.

 

[NDWarrior]

Minchey has apparently looked good in Scout team work, and Angeli hasn't looked too bad in limited reps. We've finally gotten some momentum in bringing in good talent at the position, we absolutely have to develop it. If we take a 3rd transfer in 4 years, and a casual fan like me notices that fact, opposing recruiters and potential players will absolutely notice it and will use it against us.

With the playoff expanding next season we don't have to run the table or even necessarily have just one loss to get in. There's greater potential in landing a spot, and if we can't make a 12 team playoff we weren't good enough to compete anyway. If there's a tremendous talent available to transfer then sure, consider taking them. We've been a bit lucky getting Coan and Hartman, I'm not sure we get that 3rd guy for next year.

And the current OC and how current O and Hartman are playing aren’t gonna make it any easier 😢

 

[ulukinatme]

And the current OC and how current O and Hartman are playing aren’t gonna make it any easier 😢

Does Freeman make it through next season with Porker at OC? I'm thinking if our offense is stumbling around next year his seat gets pretty hot. Seems like everyone knows Porker isn't the guy, so to stick with him means poor judgement.

 

[Irishdrunk]

It may hurt, but I don't expect much next season. We need to roll with one of our own guys next season and build. Can't take 3 transfers in 4 years, it'll scare away future recruits and you better believe other schools will be using that to negative recruit.

With all due respect Uluk. MF has to win more games next year - player development be damned.

 

[NDMatt91]

With all due respect Uluk. MF has to win more games next year - player development be damned.

Yep. If a transfer QB is the difference between going 10-2 or 8-4, you need to bring in a transfer. If we didn't go after Hartman and rolled with Buchner this year we'd be 6-4 rather than 7-3.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Minchey has apparently looked good in Scout team work, and Angeli hasn't looked too bad in limited reps. We've finally gotten some momentum in bringing in good talent at the position, we absolutely have to develop it. If we take a 3rd transfer in 4 years, and a casual fan like me notices that fact, opposing recruiters and potential players will absolutely notice it and will use it against us.

With the playoff expanding next season we don't have to run the table or even necessarily have just one loss to get in. There's greater potential in landing a spot, and if we can't make a 12 team playoff we weren't good enough to compete anyway. If there's a tremendous talent available to transfer then sure, consider taking them. We've been a bit lucky getting Coan and Hartman, I'm not sure we get that 3rd guy for next year.

It's why you just don't take any GT. Freeman should have a good idea if we have a QB on our roster right now he's confident can go to A&M and score 30 or more points. If the answer is no, then we need to find someone he thinks will be ready to do that.

Last time we tried to go with a young QB away to start the season, we had 250 total yards at ohio state, with 20% of that coming on the first play of the game. We had less than 200 yards the rest of the game after the first play. That can't happen at A&M next year.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Yep. If a transfer QB is the difference between going 10-2 or 8-4, you need to bring in a transfer. If we didn't go after Hartman and rolled with Buchner this year we'd be 6-4 rather than 7-3.

6-4 best case. You never know how we would have played vs say NC state (good D) if we had buchner and not capable of moving the ball on almost anyone. I honestly think we lose NC State and Duke with Buchner.

 

[ulukinatme]

Yep. If a transfer QB is the difference between going 10-2 or 8-4, you need to bring in a transfer. If we didn't go after Hartman and rolled with Buchner this year we'd be 6-4 rather than 7-3.

I don't think we can know that. For one, Freeman just said that Hartman is still learning the system 10 games in. Buchner has been in that system for 2 years, or at least most of it minus Parker's additions. Also, Buchner is a lot more mobile than Hartman, he'd give defenses something else to worry about. However Buchner is also more careless with the football and injury prone. Given that Hartman threw three INTs against Louisville we probably still lose that game, but OSU has had issues with mobile QBs in the past. Jordan Travis was also a problem for Duke, he picked up 62 yards rushing and a TD. I think we could easily still be 7-3 with Buchner or maybe even 8-2 with losses to Clemson and Louisville only.

 

[GATTACA!]

I don't think we can know that. For one, Freeman just said that Hartman is still learning the system 10 games in. Buchner has been in that system for 2 years, or at least most of it minus Parker's additions. Also, Buchner is a lot more mobile than Hartman, he'd give defenses something else to worry about. However Buchner is also more careless with the football and injury prone. Given that Hartman threw three INTs against Louisville we probably still lose that game, but OSU has had issues with mobile QBs in the past. Jordan Travis was also a problem for Duke, he picked up 62 yards rushing and a TD. I think we could easily still be 7-3 with Buchner or maybe even 8-2 with losses to Clemson and Louisville only.

Buchner stinks.

 

[AKRowdy]

I don't think we can know that. For one, Freeman just said that Hartman is still learning the system 10 games in. Buchner has been in that system for 2 years, or at least most of it minus Parker's additions. Also, Buchner is a lot more mobile than Hartman, he'd give defenses something else to worry about. However Buchner is also more careless with the football and injury prone. Given that Hartman threw three INTs against Louisville we probably still lose that game, but OSU has had issues with mobile QBs in the past. Jordan Travis was also a problem for Duke, he picked up 62 yards rushing and a TD. I think we could easily still be 7-3 with Buchner or maybe even 8-2 with losses to Clemson and Louisville only.

Watching his couple series at Bama confirms he is not a power 5 QB. Definitely season would be 6-4 with him at the helm. Especially with his happy feet and our spotty OL and his inaccuracy and our inexperience WR.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I don't think we can know that. For one, Freeman just said that Hartman is still learning the system 10 games in. Buchner has been in that system for 2 years, or at least most of it minus Parker's additions. Also, Buchner is a lot more mobile than Hartman, he'd give defenses something else to worry about. However Buchner is also more careless with the football and injury prone. Given that Hartman threw three INTs against Louisville we probably still lose that game, but OSU has had issues with mobile QBs in the past. Jordan Travis was also a problem for Duke, he picked up 62 yards rushing and a TD. I think we could easily still be 7-3 with Buchner or maybe even 8-2 with losses to Clemson and Louisville only.

Rk	Date	School		Opponent		Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Att	Yds	Avg	TD
Passing	Rushing
1	2023-09-02	Alabama		Middle Tennessee State	W	3	5	60.0	27	0	0	105.4	1	9	9.0	1
2	2023-09-16	Alabama	@	South Florida	W	5	14	35.7	34	0	0	56.1	2	11	5.5	0
	2 Games					8	19	42.1	61	0	0	69.1	3	20	6.7

Yeah i'm going to put this right here. There's not many worse than buchner at this level.

Buchner + Parker = less than 25 ppg for the season

 

[ulukinatme]

Buchner stinks.

So does our offense when we're not facing teams as bad a Pitt.

Passing	Rushing
Rk	Date	School		Opponent		Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Att	Yds	Avg	TD
1	2023-09-02	Alabama		Middle Tennessee State	W	3	5	60.0	27	0	0	105.4	1	9	9.0	1
2	2023-09-16	Alabama	@	South Florida	W	5	14	35.7	34	0	0	56.1	2	11	5.5	0
	2 Games					8	19	42.1	61	0	0	69.1	3	20	6.7

Yeah i'm going to put this right here. There's not many worse than buchner at this level.

Buchner + Parker = less than 25 ppg for the season

Buchner is also running Alabama's system this year, not the one he learned under Tommy. Buchner scored 45 against a Top 25 South Carolina team last year. He even scored a few for South Carolina, that's just good sportsmanship!

 

[NDohio]

Buchner's accuracy has always been an issue, but watching him against South Florida was really tough to see. That was absolutely brutal.

 

[allenm5333]

Not sure if said tongue in cheek. But on the II pod, Sampson predicted Riley Leonard would be a captain at ND next year

 

[NDQuebec]

So does our offense when we're not facing teams as bad a Pitt.


Buchner is also running Alabama's system this year, not the one he learned under Tommy. Buchner scored 45 against a Top 25 South Carolina team last year. He even scored a few for South Carolina, that's just good sportsmanship!

You are joking right?

 

[ulukinatme]

You are joking right?

Buchner was a dangerous player, both for us and the other team. Given how good our defense was this season and the extra threat of Buchner's legs I don't see our record being that different with him under center. He played OSU pretty close last season prior to injury, I think he could have again and possibly won this time. Our protection this year was actually better than last year's game. Like I said, I think he still loses against Louisville and Clemson as Hartman did, but what other game would Buchner lose? Duke would have struggled with his dual threat nature, it would have provided other opportunities agianst NC State as well. All the other games were too far out of reach. Maybe we got 6-4 with him, but it's also possible we could be 10-2.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Not sure if said tongue in cheek. But on the II pod, Sampson predicted Riley Leonard would be a captain at ND next year

I wouldn’t bet on it. Not saying it couldn’t happen but I doubt Pete has any inside knowledge. It’s something he thinks would be a good addition so maybe he’s predicting it. He ain’t the best at predictions.

 

[GATTACA!]

Buchner was a dangerous player, both for us and the other team. Given how good our defense was this season and the extra threat of Buchner's legs I don't see our record being that different with him under center. He played OSU pretty close last season prior to injury, I think he could have again and possibly won this time. Our protection this year was actually better than last year's game. Like I said, I think he still loses against Louisville and Clemson as Hartman did, but what other game would Buchner lose? Duke would have struggled with his dual threat nature, it would have provided other opportunities agianst NC State as well. All the other games were too far out of reach. Maybe we got 6-4 with him, but it's also possible we could be 10-2.

Gordle Porker made Hartman look terrible. Sam is a MUCH better QB than Buchner. Our offense would have been historically bad if we were dependent on Tyler.

 

[Grahambo]

Not sure if said tongue in cheek. But on the II pod, Sampson predicted Riley Leonard would be a captain at ND next year

Pass.