2023 Transfer QB

[NDty9]

I agree that he wasn't as bad as he was made out to be this year, but that wasn't my point.

Rees has every opportunity to show out next year as a premier OC because he has a ton to work with...finally. Talented and experienced QB (assuming it's Hartman), good OL (could be great), great RB room, solid up-and-coming WR room, talented TE room.

"Well, Pyne missed throws." "Well, the OL is trash." "Well, our WRs suck." Those were all legit reasons why the offense was hamstrung and thankfully, aside from the human error aspect where mistakes will inevitably happen (See: "we just need to execute better"), the offense as a whole won't have to deal with them as a systemic plague week in and week out. They become the exception, rather than the rule.

And if by some chance the offense still sucks, all arrows will point to Rees because, again, there will not be any more excuses left in the tank for him next year.

Couldn’t agree more…seems like a make or break season for Rees (assuming we get Hartman). I still have this fear, (irrational or not) that we are bringing in all this AMAZING TALENT on offense, that Rees is going to waste. I’m all set with any Rees excuses

 

[Dale]

Couldn’t agree more…seems like a make or break season for Reese (assuming we get Hartman). I still have this fear, (irrational or not) that we are bringing in all this AMAZING TALENT on offense, that Reese is going to waste. I’m all set with any Reese excuses

“Reese” x3

 

[CoachB]

Not sure what all the concern is about Tommy. Some had finally realized he does a really good job schematically, but the QB room depth was on him. If we have a QB room of Hartman, Tyler, Steve, and Minchey next year, that argument against him is out the window too. Tommy is smart and still young. He will get better and better every year. I think we are very fortunate to have him and many would be happy to be in our place.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Not sure what all the concern is about Tommy. Some had finally realized he does a really good job schematically, but the QB room depth was on him. If we have a QB room of Hartman, Tyler, Steve, and Minchey next year, that argument against him is out the window too. Tommy is smart and still young. He will get better and better every year. I think we are very fortunate to have him and many would be happy to be in our place.

The depth part is True. While he is building some depth, it only really counts as far as "Numbers" go right now. If they can't play or don't develop, is there really depth or just numbers?

 

[CoachB]

The depth part is True. While he is building some depth, it only really counts as far as "Numbers" go right now. If they can't play or don't develop, is there really depth or just numbers?

And honestly, I think he did a freaking amazing job of developing Drew. You watch him from the spring game to USC, he is night and day. I don't understand the ones that say he can't develop anyone either. Hartman, and many others, thankfully seem to agree. Looking forward to him proving people wrong again.

 

[NDRock]

“Reese” x3

IMO, Reese is the best OC since early (05) Weiss.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

And honestly, I think he did a freaking amazing job of developing Drew. You watch him from the spring game to USC, he is night and day. I don't understand the ones that say he can't develop anyone either. Hartman, and many others, thankfully seem to agree. Looking forward to him proving people wrong again.

I think the development ( or lack of) piece is a bit overblown. I do think Tommy struggled to adjust his play calling to his players early on. It got better, that is forsure, my hope is he builds is offense around the players and not the other way around.

 

[ImMaFreeMan]

I agree that he wasn't as bad as he was made out to be this year, but that wasn't my point.

Rees has every opportunity to show out next year as a premier OC because he has a ton to work with...finally. Talented and experienced QB (assuming it's Hartman), good OL (could be great), great RB room, solid up-and-coming WR room, talented TE room.

"Well, Pyne missed throws." "Well, the OL is trash." "Well, our WRs suck." Those were all legit reasons why the offense was hamstrung and thankfully, aside from the human error aspect where mistakes will inevitably happen (See: "we just need to execute better"), the offense as a whole won't have to deal with them as a systemic plague week in and week out. They become the exception, rather than the rule.

And if by some chance the offense still sucks, all arrows will point to Rees because, again, there will not be any more excuses left in the tank for him next year.

I’ve never seen people learn how to watch film quicker than when Drew Pyne started playing quarterback 😂. Since he didn’t have turnovers and bad stats every play quickly became a home run he fucked up

 

[bkess8]

I’ve never seen people learn how to watch film quicker than when Drew Pyne started playing quarterback 😂. Since he didn’t have turnovers and bad stats every play quickly became a home run he fucked up

I wouldn't say that people learned to watch film but more that they understood he locked in on one target too often and missed the check downs when given. TR didn't help him by not calling screens or other quick hitting passing plays to take some of the decision making away from him either. Pyne played to his ceiling and as many know around here Pyne's ceiling is the floor.

I am interested to see if we get Hartman and what TR will do with a QB that can make all the throws in addition to a proven track record of success.

 

[PolishDomer]

IMO, Reese is the best OC since early (05) Weiss.

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic with the misspellings...drives me crazy seeing Rees and Weis misspelled...

 

[benneboy]

I’ve never seen people learn how to watch film quicker than when Drew Pyne started playing quarterback 😂. Since he didn’t have turnovers and bad stats every play quickly became a home run he fucked up

I thought Pyne played pretty well in a few games and got more negative criticism than was warranted.

On the other hand Michael Mayer gave a look of "that was a home run he clearly fucked up" on national television multiple times this year. So it's not just newly found film watchers that have had that takeaway.

 

[notredomer23]

not that it should be any surprise, but 247 rated Hartman as the top QB and the #5 overall transfer behind Travis Hunter, Ernest Haussmann, Denver Harris, and Fentrell Cyprus.

 

[ThePiombino]

I saw some On3 analyst opine that Hartman to ND is real and Hartman is the QB that makes ND an instant NY6 Bowl Contender..... Not CFP though...just NY6. What does that mean? Top 10 but not Top 4 I suppose.

I don't think this is an unfair assessment. Too many questions in the defensive front 7. Plus what the hell does the safety room look like? Also, will the young WRs be able to take a step forward or not? I could see a 10-2 season with a bowl game on NYD easily.

 

[NDRock]

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic with the misspellings...drives me crazy seeing Rees and Weis misspelled...

Pretty much. Drives me nuts too. Not like we’re discussing Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah here.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I don't think this is an unfair assessment. Too many questions in the defensive front 7. Plus what the hell does the safety room look like? Also, will the young WRs be able to take a step forward or not? I could see a 10-2 season with a bowl game on NYD easily.

I think that is a fair assessment. Going 10-2 is based on decent coaching, though. No more bs losses.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't think this is an unfair assessment. Too many questions in the defensive front 7. Plus what the hell does the safety room look like? Also, will the young WRs be able to take a step forward or not? I could see a 10-2 season with a bowl game on NYD easily.

Is there a chance our front 7 could be better next year? I don’t know, replacing Foskey is tough and we lack size inside. LBs should be more athletic.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'd agree that our ceiling is likely NY6 not CFP, but those more roster holes than QB ability.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Is there a chance our front 7 could be better next year? I don’t know, replacing Foskey is tough and we lack size inside. LBs should be more athletic.

I often contemplate in my head if it would be best for the defense if Mills moved permanently on the inside on the four down looks. Although, there are a few big bodies returning on the interior, only Rubio has some degree of experience.

As long as the staff is confident in their ability to understand and play within Golden's system, Kollie and Sneed have to start next year. They have that extra gear that we haven't had from our LBs since JOK was roaming all over the field.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I'd agree that our ceiling is likely NY6 not CFP, but those more roster holes than QB ability.

If Hartman is as good as suggested, then I’d argue that a NY6 bowl is our floor.

 

[CanadalovesND]

I'd agree that our ceiling is likely NY6 not CFP, but those more roster holes than QB ability.

Which in my opinion, is a solid expectation we should have for next season.

 

[Dale]

Ceiling is definitely CFP to me. Not sure why it wouldn’t be. If it was not for the schedule, it’d say it should be the expectation given the roster.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Which in my opinion, is a solid expectation we should have for next season.

OSU and SC could easily be losses - even though thankfully they are at home. Also, at Clemson won't be easy either. At Louisville too.

10-2 would be a great increase over 8-4 with OL and DLs that may not be as good as this year. Also 10-2 would be an excellent finish as that means no stupid losses, too. Thinking 10-2 as a floor would be overly optimistic / kind of homerish. I think 10-2 gets a legit bowl (New Years). But I don't think 10-2 will be good enough for CFP though.

 

[NDohio]

Is there a chance our front 7 could be better next year? I don’t know, replacing Foskey is tough and we lack size inside. LBs should be more athletic.

I am wondering if Golden will be using more of the three man fronts that he used earlier in his career. That was his go to formation when he was coming up. That would Sneed and Kolli more opportunities to get on the field and the Vyper being less important.

 

[CanadalovesND]

OSU and SC could easily be losses - even though thankfully they are at home. Also, at Clemson won't be easy either. At Louisville too.

10-2 would be a great increase over 8-4 with OL and DLs that may not be as good as this year. Also 10-2 would be an excellent finish as that means no stupid losses, too. Thinking 10-2 as a floor would be overly optimistic / kind of homerish. I think 10-2 gets a legit bowl (New Years). But I don't think 10-2 will be good enough for CFP though.

I think you are the first and only poster as of yet to be concerned with the OL next season. There could be two new starters, and perhaps only one if Kristofic,a guy with eight career starts, cements himself as starter.

I don't see OSU being an easy loss. Yes, they are going to reload and still have most of their offensive weapons back, but they will be breaking in a new QB. If Hartman is the guy for ND, he'll already have three games prior to OSU to get into some sort of rhythm and flow in game experience. We will match up better with them next season than we did this season.

Clemson I'm not worried about either. Klubnik was a five-star and could progressing to living up to that lofty expectation by early November, but so far he really has only had one solid performance, and it was against a really poor UNC defense.

 

[notredomer23]

11-1 barring some craziness next year should make ND a lock for the CFP. That would mean wins over likely 2 of the 3 of @Clemson, OSU, and USC. I’d be very concerned about Freeman’s ability if they went worse than 10-2 with Hartman at the helm barring some crazy injuries.

 

[Luckylucci]

I often contemplate in my head if it would be best for the defense if Mills moved permanently on the inside on the four down looks. Although, there are a few big bodies returning on the interior, only Rubio has some degree of experience.

As long as the staff is confident in their ability to understand and play within Golden's system, Kollie and Sneed have to start next year. They have that extra gear that we haven't had from our LBs since JOK was roaming all over the field.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're stating here but Howard Cross has a ton of experience.

With Cross, Justin A, Nana, and Mills coming back you have, at the very least, a core of experience guys at the top of each position on the depth chart. But, again, this is what Washington is for. Time to get a Junior, former top 150 DT ready to play. Time to get your Sophomore former top 150 DE/DT ready to play. Or how about the two, Sophomore, 4 star edge defenders in Gobaira and Burnham. The talent is there. Time to coach it up. Julian Okwara and Isaiah Foskey were making noise as Sophomores. Those two combined for 9.5 TFL's and 7 sacks in their Sophomore seasons. Neither as highly rated as Burnham nor Gobaira coming out of school. Because love him or hate him, Elston got his guys ready. Time for Washington to do the same. Heck, if Washington can get his 3, Sophomore, top 150ish DL up to 9.5 TFL's and 7 sacks next season, we should be doing great.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're stating here but Howard Cross has a ton of experience.

With Cross, Justin A, Nana, and Mills coming back you have, at the very least, a core of experience guys at the top of each position on the depth chart. But, again, this is what Washington is for. Time to get a Junior, former top 150 DT ready to play. Time to get your Sophomore former top 150 DE/DT ready to play. Or how about the two, Sophomore, 4 star edge defenders in Gobaira and Burnham. The talent is there. Time to coach it up. Julian Okwara and Isaiah Foskey were making noise as Sophomores. Those two combined for 9.5 TFL's and 7 sacks in their Sophomore seasons. Neither as highly rated as Burnham nor Gobaira coming out of school. Because love him or hate him, Elston got his guys ready. Time for Washington to do the same. Heck, if Washington can get his 3, Sophomore, top 150ish DL up to 9.5 TFL's and 7 sacks next season, we should be doing great.

I was referring to the larger bodies on the interior.

You are spot on. It is a big year for Washington. There are some players who are inexperienced at the interior positions, but college football is about taking those inexperienced players, and turning them into dependable assets. The edge players as you mentioned as well, need to take a step forward.

 

[Luckylucci]

I was referring to the larger bodies on the interior.

You are spot on. It is a big year for Washington. There are some players who are inexperienced at the interior positions, but college football is about taking those inexperienced players, and turning them into dependable assets. The edge players as you mentioned as well, need to take a step forward.

Correct and Howard Cross has a ton of good experience playing on the interior.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Correct and Howard Cross has a ton of good experience playing on the interior.

I wouldn't really call him a big body though. I think that is the point trying to be made. IMO

 

[condoms SUCk]

IF Hartman is coming, maybe he can bring Rondell Bothroyd (DL) with him. That would be an amazing addition to our DL room.
5 seasons: 136 tackles, 16.5 sacks.
Last two season; 93 tackles, 14 sacks 4 fourced fumbles, and 3 pass deflections.