2023 QB Cycle Cloudy Board

[SoIll]

The kid still only holds 1 power five offer. Something is off here..

 

[Irish4life]

The kid still only holds 1 power five offer. Something is off here..

Don't think anything is imminent between ND and this kid, but he's someone Loy thinks ND should track as he goes into his senior year. Probably came up in a 247 film eval meeting or whatever and he liked what he saw.

 

[SoIll]

I like his film is what I am saying. He should have more offers than what he has.

Don't think anything is imminent between ND and this kid, but he's someone Loy thinks ND should track as he goes into his senior year. Probably came up in a 247 film eval meeting or whatever and he liked what he saw.

 

[du Lac]

Minchey and Novosad score high at camps and are legit. If we have to poach a nobody from Illinois we really aren’t attractive to ‘23 QBs, which is totally sad given our #1 class.

 

[calvegas04]

FWIW, Loy posted this as someone he thinks ND should take a look at

Throwing motion seems off

 

[Irish4life]

Throwing motion seems off

Yeah, definitely needs mechanical work from that tape. The athleticism and arm strength are definitely there though.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'm just flabbergasted that we can't do better than this.

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[Irish4life]

I'm just flabbergasted that we can't do better than this.

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[WilliamWallace]

Throwing motion seems off

I was going to mention this, but at times (or every time) as a QB I imagine you have to put a certain “TOUCH” on a ball. As long as he’s accurate, and can make all the throws I’d say leave it be. Everyone has their way of doing things, if it works, leave it be.

 

[mango4]

I'm just flabbergasted that we can't do better than this.

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Better than what? We haven’t offered the kid that’s committed to Illinois, it’s just someone Loy thinks we should. We don’t even know if we are talking to him.

 

[Irishnuke]

Better than what? We haven’t offered the kid that’s committed to Illinois, it’s just someone Loy thinks we should. We don’t even know if we are talking to him.

I think he means better than Angeli last year and having to scramble to flip a QB this year.

 

[Irish4life]

I think he means better than Angeli last year and having to scramble to flip a QB this year.

Angeli is good, and it's definitely a first world problem to be (potentially) having trouble finding a QB because we have a 5 star committed in the next one.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Angeli is good, and it's definitely a first world problem to be (potentially) having trouble finding a QB because we have a 5 star committed in the next one.

But consistently getting qbs with championship Caliber potential is critical to staying at the top. You can’t just get them ever 3-4 years. They don’t always pan out. Example, If Buchner struggles throwing we have no shot at a title until probably 2025. Unless we find home run in portal. This is because we’ve recruited qb spot so bad 2020-2023 other than Buchner.

I don’t expect nd to land the 5 star top qb every year but you need to land highly talented qbs yearly. Not pyne, angeli,
Or anyone we are looking at in 23 now.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Better than what? We haven’t offered the kid that’s committed to Illinois, it’s just someone Loy thinks we should. We don’t even know if we are talking to him.

Better than 21 and 22… qbs wr are looking aT don’t have high potential.

 

[Irishdrunk]

There is a Two Star QB that has excellent throwing motion and while he is 5 foot 7 inches now he is going through a growth spurt. Decent mobility - only gets sacked 3 to 4 times a game. Turns the football over rarely - unless it’s raining.

For now he only has FCS offers but Rees is looking at this kid. Could be a real steal for the irish.

 

[PutuporShutup]

There is a Two Star QB that has excellent throwing motion and while he is 5 foot 7 inches now he is going through a growth spurt. Decent mobility - only gets sacked 3 to 4 times a game. Turns the football over rarely - unless it’s raining.

For now he only has FCS offers but Rees is looking at this kid. Could be a real steal for the irish.

LSU might be better option

 

[stlnd01]

But consistently getting qbs with championship Caliber potential is critical to staying at the top. You can’t just get them ever 3-4 years. They don’t always pan out. Example, If Buchner struggles throwing we have no shot at a title until probably 2025. Unless we find home run in portal. This is because we’ve recruited qb spot so bad 2020-2023 other than Buchner.

I don’t expect nd to land the 5 star top qb every year but you need to land highly talented qbs yearly. Not pyne, angeli,
Or anyone we are looking at in 23 now.

The hole in QB recruiting was probably the back-to-back Clark/Pyne classes in '19 and '20. Neither was ever going to be the guy for us. Then you throw in losing Jurkovec - who could have been a second-year starting QB this season. IDK how much of all that was Kelly vs. Long. vs. Rees but probably blame to go around.

So, ok, reload. We shot for Dante. We missed. Too bad. But we landed Carr. Great. And now we're now squarely in the mix for Novosad - the #11 rated QB in the class, just as Buchner was - and Minchey - who is rated more like where Ian Book was in HS but who looks like a ballplayer. Personally I'd still make a run at that Purdue commit from Louisiana too. There's months to go here. We land any of those guys and it's hard to be too disappointed.

In my book the only coulda/woulda/shoulda for us this cycle is Vizzina, and no guarantees we would have landed him either.

 

[SoIll]

Loy now mentions he likes this kid and thinks ND should keep tabs on him.

 

[du Lac]

Loy now mentions he likes this kid and thinks ND should keep tabs on him.

Last year we got the 21st best. This year we might as well get the 47th best. Hell, if we’re going to recruit this poorly, we might as well pay a big NIL deal to Drew Pyne to stick around as the backup. He’s better than this kid by a mile. DP is definitely going to transfer. If we don’t get a 4 star QB, the QB room is going to decline hard until a 5 star true freshman gets on campus in 2 years. I do not expect CJ to dominate as a true freshman. That leaves Angeli as the hands down most likely to start unless we get a legit ‘23. Any 4-5 star ‘23 QB has a huge opportunity to get a year head start on CJ and become the legit starter at a playoff caliber program with the #1 class, particularly if TB struggles in the pass game. Landing a top ‘23 QB to this program should be the easiest job on the staff.

 

[INLaw]

Consistency in qb recruiting and development was the most obvious achilles heal of the bk era. I agree it is the most important position to turn around.

 

[du Lac]

Without Minchey or Novosad, Steve Angeli is leading this #1 class on the field in 2 years to try and take down A&M and win a playoff game, unless Buchner isn’t good enough to get drafted, in which case we are still in a bad spot. Is Angeli such a rare talent that he’s going to carry the team on his back and beat Bama in the playoffs? IDK. But I lean hard with IB staff in thinking he’s not an elite talent. I do not believe CJ will or should start a true freshman. Rees needs to step it up and earn his money and position as NDs OC. Maybe CJ will be so good we will be fine. I hope so. Right now we are banking on two things both happening. Buchner is elite and so good we do not need an elite kid. And CJ is so elite he will be playoff ready as a true freshman. That’s one hell of a gamble. That’s my venting for the day.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Without Minchey or Novosad, Steve Angeli is leading this #1 class on the field in 2 years to try and take down A&M and win a playoff game, unless Buchner isn’t good enough to get drafted, in which case we are still in a bad spot. Is he such a rare talent that he’s going to carry the team on his back and beat Georgia in the playoffs? IDK. But I lean hard with IB staff in thinking he’s not an elite talent. I do not believe CJ will or should start a true freshman. Rees needs to step it up and earn his money and position as NDs OC. That’s my venting for the day.

Why isn’t a senior Buchner starting in two years?

 

[du Lac]

Why isn’t a senior Buchner starting in two years?

He will. ‘22 and ‘23 is my hope for him. If he’s really good, historically NDs QBs have declared for the draft. If he is great this year and next, he’d be gone. At one point the IB staff broke down the past 10 starters at QB for ND that made it to the NFL. The majority didn’t play all those years I believe and did not use all their eligibility. Buchner is hopefully good enough that he will be two and out. I can’t remember exactly what they said, but Ryan was essentially saying Buchner should play 2 years and declare if he’s as good as everyone hopes. That means Angeli vs CJ in ‘24. That’s one hell of a hole that an elite ‘23 could likely swipe. Angeli vs CJ might work out. IDK. I just think it’s a poor situation and CJ has NOT signed LOI. Perhaps CJ will be able to learn the offense as EE. But true freshman have to be really damn good to do that.

 

[stlnd01]

If he’s really good, historically NDs QBs have declared for the draft. If he is great this year and next, he’d be gone. At one point the IB staff broke down the past 10 starters at QB for ND that made it to the NFL. The majority didn’t play all those years I believe and did not use all their eligibility. Buchner is hopefully good enough that he will be two and out. I can’t remember exactly what they said, but Ryan was essentially saying Buchner should play 2 years and declare if he’s as good as everyone hopes. That means Angeli vs CJ. That might work out. I just think it’s a poor situation. Perhaps CJ will be able to learn the offense as EE. But true freshman have to be really damn good to do that.

Pretty sure Clausen and Kizer are the only two Notre Dame quarterbacks who have left after their junior year for the draft. Quinn was basically a four-year starter. Book left eligibility on the table but only because of the extra COVID year. He spent five seasons on campus. Pretty sure Rees played out his eligibility. Every other QB1 in the BK era (Crist, Golson, Zaire, Wimbush) eventually lost the job and transferred out.

If Buchner's truly good enough to be a three-and-out, that's a first-world problem. But I wouldn't assume it. That said, yes we should certainly find a '23 QB. But also if the QB room is really down to Angeli and CJ in a couple of years, there will be 5Ys happy to come and compete for the job.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I wish folks wouldn’t so quickly write Steve Angeli off as a nobody and that he should be an afterthought. He’s barely been on campus for a few months. It seems like it would be wise to see how he progresses over the next year or so, I think he’s got more in his tank than many are giving him credit for. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t pursue and get the best possible option for 2023.

 

[du Lac]

I wish folks wouldn’t so quickly write Steve Angeli off as a nobody and that he should be an afterthought. He’s barely been on campus for a few months. It seems like it would be wise to see how he progresses over the next year or so, I think he’s got more in his tank than many are giving him credit for. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t pursue and get the best possible option for 2023.

Only going off what IB says. They don’t think he has elite skills nor a high upside based on their evaluation. I think that fits closely with the national evaluations. But Singer apparently likes him for not elaborated on reasons if that makes a difference.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I wish folks wouldn’t so quickly write Steve Angeli off as a nobody and that he should be an afterthought. He’s barely been on campus for a few months. It seems like it would be wise to see how he progresses over the next year or so, I think he’s got more in his tank than many are giving him credit for. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t pursue and get the best possible option for 2023.

Don’t think he’s a bad qb, just think he’s not someone that can lead a team in college to a title. Not that level of talent. We would need about 3 more top 3 recruiting classes to have a shot with angeli (like how Georgia did it this year).

 

[indianamouse]

Don’t think he’s a bad qb, just think he’s not someone that can lead a team in college to a title. Not that level of talent. We would need about 3 more top 3 recruiting classes to have a shot with angeli (like how Georgia did it this year).

Mac jones was a 3 star. Just put the talent around a qb and you never know what could happen.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Mac jones was a 3 star. Just put the talent around a qb and you never know what could happen.

Mac was 5.9 rated 4 star on rivals… but I agree with your take. Immense talent and competition in practice and you have a shot

 

[indianamouse]

Mac was 5.9 rated 4 star on rivals… but I agree with your take. Immense talent and competition in practice and you have a shot

And what was angeli rated?