2023 NFL Draft

[Luckylucci]

The Eagles and or Chiefs can afford to take that risk. Winning builds equity. A bad team, like the Bears, taking the risk on Carter could really go sideways on them.

I just don’t see how they take that risk. I wouldn’t even be considering it, if I were them.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I just don’t see how they take that risk. I wouldn’t even be considering it, if I were them.

Because he’s really good. He’s had hype since last years draft. One of The Athletic guys said “at minimum he’s Suh”. Absolutely teams who need disruptive players on the interior like the Bears are gonna be willing to gamble on that.


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[Luckylucci]

Because he’s really good. He’s had hype since last years draft. One of The Athletic guys said “at minimum he’s Suh”. Absolutely teams who need disruptive players on the interior like the Bears are gonna be willing to gamble on that.


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There are a lot of really good players in every draft. You don't need to take on this type of risk to find them.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I just don’t see how they take that risk. I wouldn’t even be considering it, if I were them.

I personally wouldn't, but if I'm going to take a risk on a guy like Carter, I'm doing it coming off of a Super Bowl appearance and not a season that landed me in the Top 10 of the Draft.

The chance of him being Warren Sapp or Randy Moss seem remote. Is the juice worth the squeeze? For me, I say no. Others may feel different.

Most of this is all bullshit being made up by front offices and agents or the journalists themselves.

 

[Luckylucci]

I personally wouldn't, but if I'm going to take a risk on a guy like Carter, I'm doing it coming off of a Super Bowl appearance and not a season that landed me in the Top 10 of the Draft.

The chance of him being Warren Sapp or Randy Moss seem remote. Is the juice worth the squeeze? For me, I say no. Others may feel different.

Most of this is all bullshit being made up by front offices and agents or the journalists themselves.

Precisely. I didn't say I would never draft him or that he wouldn't be a good fit somewhere. I just wouldn't if I was the Bears.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Precisely. I didn't say I would never draft him or that he wouldn't be a good fit somewhere. I just wouldn't if I was the Bears.

It's a huge risk for the Bears in light of everything that's happened. Despite that fact that on the field he is perfect for them and fills a big need they currently have to fill on their defense.

That's the temptation and I understand it. New regime trying to get a very down franchise going again after years and being in the biggest NFL market (Chicago has one team, NY and LA each have two) needs to be able to assume it works out 100%. That's a significantly high risk to take.

 

[zelezo vlk]

There are a lot of really good players in every draft. You don't need to take on this type of risk to find them.

Every player is a risk though. You look at Jalen Carter and see red flags, but there are red flags on pretty much every prospect. Will Anderson lacks the athletic traits of the elite elite pass rushers, Tyree Wilson has big medical concerns, Calijah Kancey is tiny, Skoronski almost definitely can't play tackle, most Tackle prospects are raw.

You draft players this high because they can be building blocks and the Bears definitely need talent on the DL.

 

[arrowryan]

McShay brought up a good point. Carter needs a veteran presence on the DL; someone to set him straight. Idk the Bears roster, but I doubt they have that.

At the end of the day, Chicago can’t afford to swing and miss in the first round this year.

 

[Luckylucci]

Every player is a risk though. You look at Jalen Carter and see red flags, but there are red flags on pretty much every prospect. Will Anderson lacks the athletic traits of the elite elite pass rushers, Tyree Wilson has big medical concerns, Calijah Kancey is tiny, Skoronski almost definitely can't play tackle, most Tackle prospects are raw.

You draft players this high because they can be building blocks and the Bears definitely need talent on the DL.

You are convoluting talent risk with personality/lifestyle/etc. risk which are not the same. Every prospect has talent risks, yes. Not every player has personality or lifestyle risks.

Skoronski not being a Tackle is not the same as Carter getting arrested. These are not the same risks, in the slightest.

If you miss on elite and end up with good. You at least have something. If you miss on elite and end up with nothing, well, you have nothing.

 

[zelezo vlk]

You are convoluting talent risk with personality/lifestyle/etc. risk which are not the same. Every prospect has talent risks, yes. Not every player has personality or lifestyle risks.

Skoronski not being a Tackle is not the same as Carter getting arrested. These are not the same risks, in the slightest.

If you miss on elite and end up with good. You at least have something. If you miss on elite and end up with nothing, well, you have nothing.

Carter getting arrested has damn near nothing to do with this. Carter has been the consensus #1 or #2 prospect in this draft for well over a year because of his sheer talent. Dude was a game wrecker at Georgia and has the chance of being a foundational piece for any defensive line. All the pros who've remarked upon Carter says that he's the most talented guy at his position, which also happens to be the most important position in the HC's defense. His college head coach seems to be pretty happy with him too:

"Jalen did not have to come back and play after his first injury, nor after his second injury. Both times he wanted to overcome that injury. He begged us to put him in in games he was hurt. The competitive character he’s shown I think has been really good. I also think his teammates really respect Jalen. Jalen earned the respect of his teammates. They love being around him. That’s a lot of things you can say about him.”

 

[Luckylucci]

Carter getting arrested has damn near nothing to do with this. Carter has been the consensus #1 or #2 prospect in this draft for well over a year because of his sheer talent. Dude was a game wrecker at Georgia and has the chance of being a foundational piece for any defensive line. All the pros who've remarked upon Carter says that he's the most talented guy at his position, which also happens to be the most important position in the HC's defense. His college head coach seems to be pretty happy with him too:

"Jalen did not have to come back and play after his first injury, nor after his second injury. Both times he wanted to overcome that injury. He begged us to put him in in games he was hurt. The competitive character he’s shown I think has been really good. I also think his teammates really respect Jalen. Jalen earned the respect of his teammates. They love being around him. That’s a lot of things you can say about him.”

Damn near everybody thinks so along with showing up to Pro Day out of shape. Which is why this conversation is taking place. Because everybody is having this conversation. Nobody is saying he isn't talented. It's whether the talent is worth the risk. Those risks are exactly what you are saying doesn't matter. Bizarre place to take this conversation.

Shocker, his HC had good things to say about him.

 

[Southside Sully]

I don't get how CJ Stroud is sliding out of the #2 QB spot. He could be considered #1. In 2 seasons, averaged 69.1 Completion %, had 85 TDs/12Ints, and 8,123 yards. Those are unreal numbers. His last 2 seasons numbers, are statistically better than Bryce Young.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Damn near everybody thinks so along with showing up to Pro Day out of shape. Which is why this conversation is taking place. Because everybody is having this conversation. Nobody is saying he isn't talented. It's whether the talent is worth the risk. Those risks are exactly what you are saying doesn't matter. Bizarre place to take this conversation.

Shocker, his HC had good things to say about him.

The most talented player in the draft being worth the risk when the Bears are desperate for talent? Yeah, that's worth a high pick.

I didn't say none of the risks are what matters lol, I said the arrest doesn't matter. Hell Lance Briggs left his smoldering car on the highway and the Bears didn't cut him lol.

But this conversation is going nowhere, so let's just move on.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I don't get how CJ Stroud is sliding out of the #2 QB spot. He could be considered #1. In 2 seasons, averaged 69.1 Completion %, had 85 TDs/12Ints, and 8,123 yards. Those are unreal numbers. His last 2 seasons numbers, are statistically better than Bryce Young.

At least for Houston, the reason I'm hearing is that his representation is the same as Deshaun Watson's and that working relationship was so poisoned that they'd rather pass.

 

[KPENN]

Saw a mock that had the Eagles trading up to take Carter. That would just be unfair

I’m an eagle fan and I hate that so much

 

[NDPhilly]

Carter is the most talented player in the draft - hoping the Eagles trade up if he gets past 5.

 

[GoldenAura]

I don't get how CJ Stroud is sliding out of the #2 QB spot. He could be considered #1. In 2 seasons, averaged 69.1 Completion %, had 85 TDs/12Ints, and 8,123 yards. Those are unreal numbers. His last 2 seasons numbers, are statistically better than Bryce Young.

In the last week there was some information leaked about the S2 cognitive abilities test that every QB takes. CJ reportedly bombed 1 of the 9 total test sections (18% score) and people are running with that as a reason he’s sliding down draft boards. Likely a team leaked it trying to see if he can fall to them.

IMO people are putting too much stock into that test.

 

[Irish#1]

I don't get how CJ Stroud is sliding out of the #2 QB spot. He could be considered #1. In 2 seasons, averaged 69.1 Completion %, had 85 TDs/12Ints, and 8,123 yards. Those are unreal numbers. His last 2 seasons numbers, are statistically better than Bryce Young.

Supposedly due to his test score. His resume contradicts the test score. I hope he falls into the Colts lap.

Edit: I was typing while you guys were already posting the same thing.

 

[Luckylucci]

The most talented player in the draft being worth the risk when the Bears are desperate for talent? Yeah, that's worth a high pick.

I didn't say none of the risks are what matters lol, I said the arrest doesn't matter. Hell Lance Briggs left his smoldering car on the highway and the Bears didn't cut him lol.

But this conversation is going nowhere, so let's just move on.

These are just not remotely apt comparisons on many levels.

 

[Luckylucci]

Carter is the most talented player in the draft - hoping the Eagles trade up if he gets past 5.

I'm with Jigga. For a team like Philly or KC, trading up for him makes a great deal of sense. Risk is mitigated by the quality of the roster around him.

 

[Katzenboyer]

In the last week there was some information leaked about the S2 cognitive abilities test that every QB takes. CJ reportedly bombed 1 of the 9 total test sections (18% score) and people are running with that as a reason he’s sliding down draft boards. Likely a team leaked it trying to see if he can fall to them.

IMO people are putting too much stock into that test.

There's also concerns re: OSU and the system he ran in college.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Carter is the most talented player in the draft - hoping the Eagles trade up if he gets past 5.

I can't see him getting past Seattle. He seems like a really good fit for them.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

In the last week there was some information leaked about the S2 cognitive abilities test that every QB takes. CJ reportedly bombed 1 of the 9 total test sections (18% score) and people are running with that as a reason he’s sliding down draft boards. Likely a team leaked it trying to see if he can fall to them.

IMO people are putting too much stock into that test.

The guy who created the test stated that at least 2 of the test scores that were reported were inaccurate. Didn’t say which 2. He said one of the 2 players got in from travel very late the night before and wasn’t ready to take the test. May or may not be Stroud.

 

[ACamp1900]

These are just not remotely apt comparisons on many levels.

Just roll with it,… he’s going

 

[MKEagle]

Unbelievable that Poles had a double trade back ready to go but the Texans backed out. The bears reportedly could have had 9, 12, 61, 2024 1st, DJ Moore, and apparently a player from the Texans.

 

[ACamp1900]

Without a first rounder I just want is for the browns to trade a few late round picks for Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, Jalen Carter and Devon Witherspoon.

See you soon on the Whatever Podcast.

 

[ACamp1900]

They’re talking about how Wilson loves Whataburger right now,… nvm that fool. Can’t have character issues like that

 

[Luckylucci]

It’s dead in here.

Love Wright for the Bears at 10 and got a 4th rounder next year out of it.

Lions with a WTF moment with Gibbs.

 

[Calabrese's People]

The Lions might have mislabelled their Round 2 Draft Board....

 

[irishff1014]

Carolina, Houston and Indy will be drafting QBs again in the next 5 years.