2023 Fall Camp

[Some Irish Bloke]

Yes and you missed my whole point which isn't shocking. ND has traditionally been very conservative with its passing game in relation to receivers. Tommy especially relied on multiple tight end sets and tight ends were carrying the offensive load - hardly an air passing attack.

Now with a new OC - who was Tommy's TE Coach...we are suddenly going to open things up...a la BYU or Houston Cougars.... all without much returning production of the WR room. I hope you are right and I am wrong but I also think we will need a bunch of luck accomplishing suhc a transformation of the offense.

You know TEs can catch passes too, right? And when the strength of your offense is the RB room and you have a deep stable of backs, you tend to run more 12 or 22 personnel. That's likely not going to change this year. You don't need to have 4-5 WRs on the field to have an effective passing attack. If you can run the ball effectively and open up the PA, you will be plenty lethal through the air.

I'm sure they will be multiple with their approach, and they will mix up the formations and number of WRs. The WRs, as far as recruiting rankings are concerned (which again, you love to discuss), are more talented than anything Hartman had at Wake Forest, where he succeeded tremendously. That's my point. He has more talent than he ever had at Wake. What makes you think he won't help these WRs ascend their preseason expectations? Especially with what should be a very strong running attack to open up the pass?

Not rocket science.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Do we even think Cam plays much against Navy?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Do we even think Cam plays much against Navy?

If he does, something went wrong.

 

[Luckylucci]

Talk about total narrative dump on Fisher. Unsure why but it's hilarious this is being billed as absolute truth. Jamie U watched the same scrimmage and had this to say.

Notre Dame Practice Observations | Defense

Notre Dame's pass rush dominated on Tuesday night when the Irish scrimmaged for much of the practice

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Blake Fisher and Spindler are starting to work well together in the run game. Fisher absolutely caved NaNa on a down block. Fisher also reached JJB easily on the edge on another rep. Fisher likes to talk and frankly, he backs it up. Even when the D-line is talking back to him, it’s because they got someone else on the O-line and not him.

That Mills play that was caught on tape from last practice was more of a blip than what I’ve seen from Fisher.

Fisher reached JJB and Spindler reached Rubio and if there was a back there, it could have gone for big yards.

 

[AKRowdy]

Cause the beat knows nothing. I think it’s obvious from recruiting to fall camp. The Guy is basically tight as the Pentagon.

Talk about total narrative dump on Fisher. Unsure why but it's hilarious this is being billed as absolute truth. Jamie U watched the same scrimmage and had this to say.

Notre Dame Practice Observations | Defense

Notre Dame's pass rush dominated on Tuesday night when the Irish scrimmaged for much of the practice

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[Irish#1]

You know TEs can catch passes too, right? And when the strength of your offense is the RB room and you have a deep stable of backs, you tend to run more 12 or 22 personnel. That's likely not going to change this year. You don't need to have 4-5 WRs on the field to have an effective passing attack. If you can run the ball effectively and open up the PA, you will be plenty lethal through the air.

I'm sure they will be multiple with their approach, and they will mix up the formations and number of WRs. The WRs, as far as recruiting rankings are concerned (which again, you love to discuss), are more talented than anything Hartman had at Wake Forest, where he succeeded tremendously. That's my point. He has more talent than he ever had at Wake. What makes you think he won't help these WRs ascend their preseason expectations? Especially with what should be a very strong running attack to open up the pass?

Not rocket science.

Adding to this, good QB’s make receivers better so better talent and a better QB should provide improved results.

 

[Reaper97]

Talk about total narrative dump on Fisher. Unsure why but it's hilarious this is being billed as absolute truth. Jamie U watched the same scrimmage and had this to say.

Notre Dame Practice Observations | Defense

Notre Dame's pass rush dominated on Tuesday night when the Irish scrimmaged for much of the practice

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Fisher is my favorite player on the team.

I’ve followed him since he was a 15 year old at Avon & a buddy of mine who coached there told me to keep in eye on him back when I was asking about Sampson the RB.
(Remember that kid?)

Anyways, I’ve heard very mix reviews about Fisher’s weight loss and I’m hoping he puts it all together very soon.
I’m already on record saying ND has the best Tackle combination in the country.

 

[Wild Bill]

You know TEs can catch passes too, right? And when the strength of your offense is the RB room and you have a deep stable of backs, you tend to run more 12 or 22 personnel. That's likely not going to change this year. You don't need to have 4-5 WRs on the field to have an effective passing attack. If you can run the ball effectively and open up the PA, you will be plenty lethal through the air.

I'm sure they will be multiple with their approach, and they will mix up the formations and number of WRs. The WRs, as far as recruiting rankings are concerned (which again, you love to discuss), are more talented than anything Hartman had at Wake Forest, where he succeeded tremendously. That's my point. He has more talent than he ever had at Wake. What makes you think he won't help these WRs ascend their preseason expectations? Especially with what should be a very strong running attack to open up the pass?

Not rocket science.

Can you have an elite offense in college football right now if you're relying on tight ends and a stable of backs to do the heavy lifting?

His receivers are better than what he had at Wake but ND needs to land weapons on the outside if they want to compete in the playoffs imo.

 

[Luckylucci]

Andrew Mentock’s breakdown of the offense doesn’t have much on Fisher but does day this.

Offensive Observations from Notre Dame Fall Camp Practice No. 12

On Tuesday evening, Notre Dame opened the entirety of No. 12 to the media. The Fighting Irish full pads at School Field, a South Bend-owned high school stadium near downtown.

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The media bills Alt and Fisher as college football’s best tackle duo. Thus far, they look the part.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Is there an actual chance Cam misses the opener?

 

[IrishLion]

It was nineteen shovel passes to an open trash can

We call that the “Everett Golson vs Syracuse” special

 

[EvilleIrish]

Which I guess if he misses Navy you might as well sit him the next week too.

 

[Terry Jillery]

It was refreshing watching Singer and Hyde argue tonight about Angeli vs Minchey. The IB shows that go 5 hours without a single disagreement get stale.

Was interesting they said that all of the offensive plays were telegraphed (the defense knew what they were running). So the WR disappointment reports weren’t initially fully transparent.

 

[Reaper97]

It was refreshing watching Singer and Hyde argue tonight about Angeli vs Minchey. The IB shows that go 5 hours without a single disagreement get stale.

Was interesting they said that all of the offensive plays were telegraphed (the defense knew what they were running). So the WR disappointment reports weren’t initially fully transparent.

The plays that were telegraphed were the 1v1 competitions.
The actual scrimmage wasn’t.

I don’t watch On3, but I can guess Singer loved Angeli & Hyde loved Minchey.
Singer obviously knows nothing about football. But I have no idea why BGI hired Hyde? He is wrong about most things. He still thinks ND is better off having Buchner for the future and losing this year rather than having Hartman. He is all about the young guys & the future.

 

[Terry Jillery]

The plays that were telegraphed were the 1v1 competitions.
The actual scrimmage wasn’t.

I don’t watch On3, but I can guess Singer loved Angeli & Hyde loved Minchey.
Singer obviously knows nothing about football. But I have no idea why BGI hired Hyde? He is wrong about most things. He still thinks ND is better off having Buchner for the future and losing this year rather than having Hartman. He is all about the young guys & the future.

I like both shows. They are entertaining. I like hearing multiple perspectives, even if I disagree.

 

[Irish4life]

It was refreshing watching Singer and Hyde argue tonight about Angeli vs Minchey. The IB shows that go 5 hours without a single disagreement get stale.

Was interesting they said that all of the offensive plays were telegraphed (the defense knew what they were running). So the WR disappointment reports weren’t initially fully transparent.

Well yeah, it's a practice.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Honestly hit and hustle and II are the only good ones lately. IB is fine but I turn it off immediately if Vince is on. I like Ryan Robert’s but the guy literally only says good things. IB needs to get someone to challenge Driskell.

 

[Reaper97]

Honestly hit and hustle and II are the only good ones lately. IB is fine but I turn it off immediately if Vince is on. I like Ryan Robert’s but the guy literally only says good things. IB needs to get someone to challenge Driskell.

When he first started his site, I was the one who challenged him. We were even buddies, so you would think he would have been okay with it…nope.
It got ugly early.

 

[Lberry]

Honestly hit and hustle and II are the only good ones lately. IB is fine but I turn it off immediately if Vince is on. I like Ryan Robert’s but the guy literally only says good things. IB needs to get someone to challenge Driskell.

I dont like hit and hustle. Jamie and Greg are so hesitant to talk on a player/coach/position that has question mark. Every recruit is under the radar, every player is good, etc. Matt Freeman is only one who keeps it real

 

[Giddyup]

We’re screwed. Cancel the season

 

[Irish4life]

Honestly hit and hustle and II are the only good ones lately. IB is fine but I turn it off immediately if Vince is on. I like Ryan Robert’s but the guy literally only says good things. IB needs to get someone to challenge Driskell.

Hit and Hustle, Irish Illustrated, Locked on Irish, The Shamrock (if/when it returns). This is the way.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I dont like hit and hustle. Jamie and Greg are so hesitant to talk on a player/coach/position that has question mark. Every recruit is under the radar, every player is good, etc. Matt Freeman is only one who keeps it real

I disagree.

Jamie has his own ranking system and frankly, his rankings match what is shown on film. He and the other ISD guys were fairly critical of ND's recruiting strategy at safety and still aren't super confident in where they stand. So it's not simple sunshine pumping.

He thinks guys like Mullins and Young are super underrated, because...well, they are. This is practically the consensus among the ND beat, and like I said, the film don't lie.

Especially when it comes to DL, Jamie is the best in the business and I trust his eval over anybody.

Not the biggest fan of Greg, and I think having Mike as the generally more negative fan-type to balance out Jamie works better.

 

[Irishdrunk]

You know TEs can catch passes too, right? And when the strength of your offense is the RB room and you have a deep stable of backs, you tend to run more 12 or 22 personnel. That's likely not going to change this year. You don't need to have 4-5 WRs on the field to have an effective passing attack. If you can run the ball effectively and open up the PA, you will be plenty lethal through the air.

I'm sure they will be multiple with their approach, and they will mix up the formations and number of WRs. The WRs, as far as recruiting rankings are concerned (which again, you love to discuss), are more talented than anything Hartman had at Wake Forest, where he succeeded tremendously. That's my point. He has more talent than he ever had at Wake. What makes you think he won't help these WRs ascend their preseason expectations? Especially with what should be a very strong running attack to open up the pass?

Not rocket science.

It’s not rocket science. There is a concern of a mismatch.

We have a program that has been reliant on Tight end production with a conservative offense with a new offensive coordinator who was the prior TE Coach and now there’s expectations with this quarterback who likes to throw down field that the wide receivers are going to have huge production. Yet there are no experienced wide receivers with substantial production coming back. There’s just a lot that Has to go right For this to work out as fans expect. It’s not so easy.

If we had hired an offensive coordinator with a well-known track record, I would feel a lot more comfortable. But ND didn’t do that.

 

[stlnd01]

It’s not rocket science. There is a concern of a mismatch.

We have a program that has been reliant on Tight end production with a conservative offense with a new offensive coordinator who was the prior TE Coach and now there’s expectations with this quarterback who likes to throw down field that the wide receivers are going to have huge production. Yet there are no experienced wide receivers with substantial production coming back. There’s just a lot that Has to go right For this to work out as fans expect. It’s not so easy.

If we had hired an offensive coordinator with a well-known track record, I would feel a lot more comfortable. But ND didn’t do that.

These two things are not unrelated, especially given our QB situation last year.
And sure it would be nice if we had even an Avery Davis/Braden Lenzy type WR with years of experience coming back. (Va. Tech Kaleb Smith would've worked). But we don't. OK. This is college football, teams are constantly needing unproven/inexperienced players to step up, that's the nature of the game.
What we do have is six WRs with high-level talent and the best QB we've had in 15 years. Also a running game that opponents will have to respect. We only really need two or three of those WRs to hit this season to open up a more dynamic passing game than we've seen in some time. I'll take those odds no matter who is our OC.

 

[Irish#1]

It’s not rocket science. There is a concern of a mismatch.

We have a program that has been reliant on Tight end production with a conservative offense with a new offensive coordinator who was the prior TE Coach and now there’s expectations with this quarterback who likes to throw down field that the wide receivers are going to have huge production. Yet there are no experienced wide receivers with substantial production coming back. There’s just a lot that Has to go right For this to work out as fans expect. It’s not so easy.

If we had hired an offensive coordinator with a well-known track record, I would feel a lot more comfortable. But ND didn’t do that.

That's how Kelly wanted to play, especially without having top talented QB's. Having a new OC that was the TE coach doesn't mean we will continue down that path. Besides, Hartman's resume wasn't built on the TE being the primary target.

 

[317Irish]

How do I turn off all of the IB ads that keep appearing on every thread??

 

[rtrn2glory]

I'll admit I'm not as read up on the past few days of camp but what's all the my dog died about?

I haven't seen anything on Hart's injury either. What happened?

 

[arrowryan]

I'll admit I'm not as read up on the past few days of camp but what's all the my dog died about?

I haven't seen anything on Hart's injury either. What happened?

The sky is falling because we’re not running Randy Moss, Chris Carter, and TO out there at WR. The secondary is really freaking good.

Hart might have a concussion from the scrimmage. Should be fine for Navy.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I dont like hit and hustle. Jamie and Greg are so hesitant to talk on a player/coach/position that has question mark. Every recruit is under the radar, every player is good, etc. Matt Freeman is only one who keeps it real

I really have to disagree here.

Jamie literally gives grades. Most of them are in line with the national consensus. I think he has a problem with overreacting regarding a player's early development, for good or bad. He doesn't pile on kids, but that is just being an adult.

And Matt's lack of enthusiasm is not the same as keeping it real. In fact, it's pretty clear that Matt has some level of connection with the players through his recruiting coverage and does not like to get too direct in his criticism. He'll restate the obvious things the kid "has to work on," but not much else.

 

[irishnd31]

The sky is falling because we’re not running Randy Moss, Chris Carter, and TO out there at WR. The secondary is really freaking good.

Hart might have a concussion from the scrimmage. Should be fine for Navy.

OH, AND WE ARE ALSO OUT OF COFFEE....