2023 Fall Camp

Some Irish Bloke

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Having a true passing threat at QB makes a huge difference. For all the positive qualities Book had at ND, being able to consistently deliver from the pocket gives me great confidence in all games. There shouldn't be too many situations, where we are truly out of a game. A QB that can consistently make plays from the pocket and downfield gives you that shot.

Combine that with what I think is a deep defense and I'm in.
Not to mention when you have an OL and a deep stable of RBs with complimentary skill sets, it takes a lot of pressure off of that true passing QB. I'm very excited for the offense this year.
 

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Simple way to set reasonable expectations IMO - (1) Our team talent level is around #10 and (2) We have a top 10 QB in CFB, raising our ceiling to somewhere above that, but probably not top 3.

Not being a top 10 team caliber team would mean that the other variable (coaching) is deficient IMO.
 

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Simple way to set reasonable expectations IMO - (1) Our team talent level is around #10 and (2) We have a top 10 QB in CFB, raising our ceiling to somewhere above that, but probably not top 3.

Not being a top 10 team caliber team would mean that the other variable (coaching) is deficient IMO.
Agree, 10-2 to me would be not a bad feeling but a feeling of disappointment due to probably having the best opportunity to win it all that we've had in the last 30 years. I don't think we have the greatest team ever, but the most talented teams in the country, top 4 or so all have major questions at QB.
 

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Agree, 10-2 to me would be not a bad feeling but a feeling of disappointment due to probably having the best opportunity to win it all that we've had in the last 30 years. I don't think we have the greatest team ever, but the most talented teams in the country, top 4 or so all have major questions at QB.

Agree with this. If our roster had 4 classes with the quality of the '23 class + Hartman at QB, i'd expect us to be among the favorites for the NC. If we weren't, then coaching wouldnt be good enough (Texas and USC recently are the best examples).
 

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Not to mention when you have an OL and a deep stable of RBs with complimentary skill sets, it takes a lot of pressure off of that true passing QB. I'm very excited for the offense this year.
#MeToo. I really want the offense to average over 40+ points a game, it's a "if they don't this year then when will they" kinda thing for me.
 

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Agree with this. If our roster had 4 classes with the quality of the '23 class + Hartman at QB, i'd expect us to be among the favorites for the NC. If we weren't, then coaching wouldnt be good enough (Texas and USC recently are the best examples).
It reminds me a little bit of 2015. OSU was definitely loaded, but Bama had a ton of question marks, no one saw Clemson or OU coming, FSU was going to take a step back. If we had 2-3 more classes on that 2015 roster like the 2013 class we definitely would've made the CFP and had a real shot to win the whole thing.
 

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I'd take 10-2 all day.
I wouldn't... When you have this big of a qb advantage in almost every game AND significant talent gap vs 9 of 12 teams we play. I'm not saying every game should be easy other than the big 3, but we should be able to win without playing great even if the other team plays really good, like at duke or at nc state. Duke and NC state have good qbs but not even close to the weapons at skill positions to really scare us.

This offense should put up 30 on a bad day, and the D should be better than last year. A lot of should's, but this really SHOULD be the year we are really good.
 

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I wouldn't... When you have this big of a qb advantage in almost every game AND significant talent gap vs 9 of 12 teams we play. I'm not saying every game should be easy other than the big 3, but we should be able to win without playing great even if the other team plays really good, like at duke or at nc state. Duke and NC state have good qbs but not even close to the weapons at skill positions to really scare us.

This offense should put up 30 on a bad day, and the D should be better than last year. A lot of should's, but this really SHOULD be the year we are really good.
I still am a bit concerned about the LB's and have questions about the DL and Safeties.
 

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There’s always room for concern

But enjoy 3 fifth year seniors at lb brother
And the highest rated LB prospect we've signed since Jaylon Smith who's now a Sophomore. I'm quite high on that combination of size, speed, and experience of that foursome.

Good coaches should be able to get very good production from that group.
 

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Agree with this. If our roster had 4 classes with the quality of the '23 class + Hartman at QB, i'd expect us to be among the favorites for the NC. If we weren't, then coaching wouldnt be good enough (Texas and USC recently are the best examples).
On the bright side, I think '22 and '24 aren't far behind '23. It seems that there are more developmental guys in both of those than in '23 (Burnahm, Gobaira, Ford, Craig, Wagner, Sneed, and Mickey are probably all guys that will have much bigger impact in the 2024 season & the '24 class has lots of high ceiling raw guys), but they should have overlapping quality starters from all three. Seemingly more than the previous classes.
 

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10-2 should be the floor with this group and our QB. Yes there are question marks, but every team has them, including the favorites. No reason this team can’t go 11-1, with a close loss to a top team and make the playoff.
 

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Some of you are talking like Sam Hartman is made of steel - Injuries are part of the game. We can't assume he'll be available for all 12 games. I hope he is, but anything can happen, including catching an illness.

Maybe the new OC will be sensible enough not to run the QB a lot like the last one, which led to a season ending injury.
 

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Some of you are talking like Sam Hartman is made of steel - Injuries are part of the game. We can't assume he'll be available for all 12 games. I hope he is, but anything can happen, including catching an illness.

Maybe the new OC will be sensible enough not to run the QB a lot like the last one, which led to a season ending injury.
Hartman has missed 1 game in his career due to injury
 

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Some of you are talking like Sam Hartman is made of steel - Injuries are part of the game. We can't assume he'll be available for all 12 games. I hope he is, but anything can happen, including catching an illness.

Maybe the new OC will be sensible enough not to run the QB a lot like the last one, which led to a season ending injury.

Why wouldn’t one assume the QB would stay healthy? ND gets their starting QB lost for the season on average once every 6 years since 2010. He has a history of staying healthy. It’s fine to temper your expectations, but this isn’t one of the reasons why
 

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Why wouldn’t one assume the QB would stay healthy? ND gets their starting QB lost for the season on average once every 6 years since 2010. He has a history of staying healthy. It’s fine to temper your expectations, but this isn’t one of the reasons why
Season ending injury is probably unlikely, but I’d imagine most college football QBs don’t make it through the entire season without missing at least a game, or maybe some key drives.

It’s totally fair to marginally consider this possibility (the possibility of at least some missed time) when evaluating our base expectation for 2023. We very well might have to depend on Angeli at some point.
 

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If we were playing the schedule we have in most recent seasons I’d be pretty confident in 10-2. We are a top ten team on paper, and if a few unknowns fall in our favor we could be a top five team.

But we play three other top ten/wannabe top five teams, and a few other dangerous games along the way (with a coaching staff that has yet to prove it can win the games we’re “supposed” to win). It’s not an easy road.

So I’m going to predict 10-2, because I prefer optimism, but I’m not necessarily going to “expect” 10-2. If that makes sense.
 

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Some of you are talking like Sam Hartman is made of steel - Injuries are part of the game. We can't assume he'll be available for all 12 games. I hope he is, but anything can happen, including catching an illness.

Maybe the new OC will be sensible enough not to run the QB a lot like the last one, which led to a season ending injury.
Hopefully nobody lays a hand on him all season with two great tackles a bit of shifty ness on his part and excellent RBs.
 

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Some of you are talking like Sam Hartman is made of steel - Injuries are part of the game. We can't assume he'll be available for all 12 games. I hope he is, but anything can happen, including catching an illness.

Maybe the new OC will be sensible enough not to run the QB a lot like the last one, which led to a season ending injury.
*14 games
 

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Really think this team should be as good as '18 and '20 playoff squads. Front 7 likely not as strong but should be way more explosive on offense. Schedule just is significantly harder than those years.
Front seven is going to be interesting. How many of the d lineman this year would start on those playoff teams? Probably only mills. They have depth on the line but someone needs to step up and get after the QB. Scheme alone won't be enough imo. Need a playmaker to emerge.
 

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Front seven is going to be interesting. How many of the d lineman this year would start on those playoff teams? Probably only mills. They have depth on the line but someone needs to step up and get after the QB. Scheme alone won't be enough imo. Need a playmaker to emerge.
I truly believe it’s the sum of all the parts. But if you’re looking for one in particular, all mentions have been that Botelho is that man. If we’re getting pressure in the middle then you’re gonna see an uptick in QB hurries and sacks. Throw in JT and Sneed, with some blitz packages and we’re cooking with gas. I don’t necessarily see one or two single players with *5 stars, I see several including a veteran group of LB’s. Another year in the same system should show itself early on. I also like that we don’t have OSU right out of the gates.
 

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Some of you are talking like Sam Hartman is made of steel - Injuries are part of the game. We can't assume he'll be available for all 12 games. I hope he is, but anything can happen, including catching an illness.

Maybe the new OC will be sensible enough not to run the QB a lot like the last one, which led to a season ending injury.
You are blaming Rees for Buchner blowing out his knee with no contact in HS?
Or pulling his hamstring untouched running down the sideline.
Or twisting his ankle literally walking towards the sideline.
Or twisting his ankle walking down stairs?
Buchner is made of fragile glass.
 
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