2019 Spring Practice Thread

[JohnnyJasper]

2019 Spring Practice Thread

Anybody know the team rosters yet? I have been looking for them but can not find them. I know they did it last year....


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[beryirish]

Anybody know the team rosters yet? I have been looking for them but can not find them. I know they did it last year....


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It's been Offense personnel vs Defense personnel for as long as i can remember with Kelly now.

No full 2-way teams.

 

[JohnnyJasper]

It's been Offense personnel vs Defense personnel for as long as i can remember with Kelly now.

No full 2-way teams.

Yeah that makes sense. For some reason I could have sworn they did it last year.


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[Irish#1]

Seems fairly unanimous most think they'll be better. The question is, how much better? They'll need to be a lot better, in order for this offense to take this team where it wants to go.

I think most agree they should be better simply by experience. I'm in that group that thinks they will be significantly better, which puts me in the minority.

I think it's a long-shot all five, Eich, Banks, Patterson, Kraemer and Hainsey, will be starters in the NFL. It's probably a bit of a stretch to believe they'll all be drafted and/or on a 53 man roster post graduation.

I doubt Eich can play LT in the NFL, though he could be move to the right side in the NFL. He's a solid player but he hasn't yet shown he has the capacity to be an elite LT that can lock down and elite pass rusher. It's still early and it's possible he plays on another level this year.

I believe Banks could be the best of the bunch. He's nasty and finishes blocks. He could have a big year and has the body and athleticism to be a starting NFL guard. I really hope he emerges as a leader and the entire line embraces his nasty style of play. It would be huge for the group.

Patterson could be the real deal, but nobody really knows right now.

Kraemer has under-performed given his rating coming into ND. Like Eich, he could step up this year but I don't see a future NFL starter.

Hainsey has a lot of work to do. He hasn't played at an elite level but maybe he steps up too.

Like Lucky, I think this group will improve but I doubt they improve enough to be considered an elite group. I hope I'm wrong.

The NCAA is loaded with LT's that can't play LT in the NFL. Eich doesn't need to be NFL caliber, just good enough to handle college DE's. I don't think they will be elite, but I think they will be a pleasant surprise.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Ah good, love to hear the all-in option at center is having issues with the snap lol.

Seriously though, it's not easy to learn to shotgun snap consistently when you haven't done it, especially if the coaches are on your ass about getting the snap back faster.

Can't imagine trying to learn to snap for the first time, while also being drilled to do it faster and consistently, while ALSO learning a new cadence to try and time properly.

yea snapping can be taught don't get me wrong, but i feel like it's a skill that you either have or you don't.

funny this was mentioned b/c there was a couple bad snaps the day i was there too :/

 

[beryirish]

I think most agree they should be better simply by experience. I'm in that group that thinks they will be significantly better, which puts me in the minority.




The NCAA is loaded with LT's that can't play LT in the NFL. Eich doesn't need to be NFL caliber, just good enough to handle college DE's. I don't think they will be elite, but I think they will be a pleasant surprise.

^^Yup - just look at Zach Martin. LT all in college then Dallas drafted him with intention to play guard. Became the starter immediately. Rest is history and dollar bill signs.

 

[T-Boone]

what's the issue with the 18 class?? just curious

They were all stuck behind well established excellent starters last year who kept winning, many of those were seniors.
When you think about it nobody has really emerged from the 17 class yet but they are starting to get some buzz.
So it takes a couple of years.

 

[stlnd01]

They were all stuck behind well established excellent starters last year who kept winning, many of those were seniors.
When you think about it nobody has really emerged from the 17 class yet but they are starting to get some buzz.
So it takes a couple of years.

This is why I have a hard time getting too worried about the interior linebackers at this point. There’s lots of talent. They were just stuck behind a pair of very good multi-year starters, and never saw the field. Now, given the opportunity, guys will emerge. (much like Coney did)

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'm excited about Kraemer, recent reports suggest he's really taking steps in his game. I watched his player interview and he just looks and sounds completely different. Very confident, ready to show his play.

The OL is finally giving me something to get excited about. It's one of aspects of the game I didn't appreciate until Weiss was coach. Since then, I've loved what Kelly has been building at ND with these big, nasty OL.

 

[Wild Bill]

Ah good, love to hear the all-in option at center is having issues with the snap lol.

Seriously though, it's not easy to learn to shotgun snap consistently when you haven't done it, especially if the coaches are on your ass about getting the snap back faster.

Can't imagine trying to learn to snap for the first time, while also being drilled to do it faster and consistently, while ALSO learning a new cadence to try and time properly.

Try doing it during a hurricane.

The NCAA is loaded with LT's that can't play LT in the NFL. Eich doesn't need to be NFL caliber, just good enough to handle college DE's. I don't think they will be elite, but I think they will be a pleasant surprise.

Agreed. I think he's an above average P5 LT. The OP suggested he'd be a NFL starter and I just wouldn't go that far at the moment.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Just listened to IrishIllustrated podcast and they hinted at Kevin Austin potentially having an issue going into the fall. So it's either academic work that needs to be done or he could be unable to play.

Has anyone else listened? Anyone else heard anything. I keep hoping he'll get minutes this fall but sounds like I should pump the breaks.

 

[benneboy]

Just listened to IrishIllustrated podcast and they hinted at Kevin Austin potentially having an issue going into the fall. So it's either academic work that needs to be done or he could be unable to play.

Has anyone else listened? Anyone else heard anything. I keep hoping he'll get minutes this fall but sounds like I should pump the breaks.

One of us misheard cause I just listened to that episode and didn't hear anything like that. May have gone over my head though.

 

[IrishLion]

Just listened to IrishIllustrated podcast and they hinted at Kevin Austin potentially having an issue going into the fall. So it's either academic work that needs to be done or he could be unable to play.

Has anyone else listened? Anyone else heard anything. I keep hoping he'll get minutes this fall but sounds like I should pump the breaks.

You sure they weren’t just referencing the “traits” thing again?

Like, “he may have issues heading into the fall if he doesn’t take care of his traits”?

 

[snoopdog]

Try doing it during a hurricane.



Agreed. I think he's an above average P5 LT. The OP suggested he'd be a NFL starter and I just wouldn't go that far at the moment.

I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised at how much above average Liam is as a P5 LT.

I think if, and its a big if, he stays healthy, he will be getting AA consideration

Last year, his first start as a Redshirt Sophomore he faces Rashan Gary and Winovich in a game ND wins.

All year he faced a who's who of WDE's and held up really well in an undefeated season.

He has two more years to be the guy and could easily be a top ten pick. If you remember in 2016 McG (McFlinchey) was struggling much more than Liam did as a first year starter.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think we're underrating Liam by a good bit.

Stanley and McGlinchey had more than their fair share of struggles during their first year at LT. And keep in mind, that they both had at least a year of starting experience at RT before moving over. Liam didn't have that luxury. He was thrown in to the fire completely green against one of the top pass rushing tandems in the country that year.

Between a myriad of injuries and a lack of experience (made worse by the loss of Bars), the line had a lot going against it in 2018. In 2019, they are set up MUCH better. Group has ridiculous amounts of talent and they are seasoned now.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

You sure they weren’t just referencing the “traits” thing again?

Like, “he may have issues heading into the fall if he doesn’t take care of his traits”?

Could be, I guess time will tell.

 

[Irish#1]

I think we're underrating Liam by a good bit.

Stanley and McGlinchey had more than their fair share of struggles during their first year at LT. And keep in mind, that they both had at least a year of starting experience at RT before moving over. Liam didn't have that luxury. He was thrown in to the fire completely green against one of the top pass rushing tandems in the country that year.

Between a myriad of injuries and a lack of experience (made worse by the loss of Bars), the line had a lot going against it in 2018. In 2019, they are set up MUCH better. Group has ridiculous amounts of talent and they are seasoned now.

Except for Sam, the O-line was pretty void of good experience last year. In general, it's expected that a player becomes better than the previous year unless they really don't care. I don't think we have any of those type kids on the O-line.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Except for Sam, the O-line was pretty void of good experience last year. In general, it's expected that a player becomes better than the previous year unless they really don't care. I don't think we have any of those type kids on the O-line.

We don’t really recruit the non-caring types, or players that need motivating. You may find that more at other positions, with our track record of our roster players and signed prospects.

Has an OL recruit ever been in the “doghouse”? It seems like our OL signees always tend to be the “RKGs”. High GPA, affluent and mature teenagers.

 

[dublinirish]

Prister on II podcast yesterday worried about Bilal and described him as having "no football instincts"

 

[Big23Head]

Prister on II podcast yesterday worried about Bilal and described him as having "no football instincts"

He hasn't had any real instincts for 4 years. It is a shame too, great athlete.

If Simon can build off of the spring game and Lamb gets healthy it may put Bilal in a back up role.

 

[IrishLion]

I figured the season would start with

1. Bilal - JGH - JOK
2. Simon - Lamb - Moala

and that the two youngsters on the inside would work in and then eventually dominate their time-shares as the defacto starters if everything went well.

Looks like that might get accelerated, or totally thrown into the blender if Lea doesn't like what he's seeing early in the Summer.

 

[snoopdog]

The first two games with a rotational LB core is fine....but going into Georgia, they better have this sorted.

 

[IrishLion]

The first two games with a rotational LB core is fine....but going into Georgia, they better have this sorted.

Rotating a group throughout the year is fine, as long as it is set and predictable for the players. That allows them to prepare and settle into the game.

Rotation is fine... trying out various different combinations would be bad. I don't anticipate Clark Lea letting that happen into the season.

 

[snoopdog]

Rotating a group throughout the year is fine, as long as it is set and predictable for the players. That allows them to prepare and settle into the game.

Rotation is fine... trying out various different combinations would be bad. I don't anticipate Clark Lea letting that happen into the season.

I was referring to bringing Bilal out of games because he isn't reading the offensive cues quick enough and bringing in Drew White or JGH to man the middle .

If O Coordinators can confuse Bilal into being a half step slow, teams could run all over ND, especially a team like Georgia.

The first few series of the Blue Gold game was just that.

 

[matman4593]

Confused why Bilal isn't getting more reps at Buck. Seems like a more natural position for him

 

[dublinirish]

Confused why Bilal isn't getting more reps at Buck. Seems like a more natural position for him

he cant cover anybody

 

[Rizzophil]

Splitting snaps isn’t a bad option

Keeping guys fresh will help their productivity up. And their legs fresh and healthy

 

[snoopdog]

Splitting snaps isn’t a bad option

Keeping guys fresh will help their productivity up. And their legs fresh and healthy

Being Fresh isn’t Bilal’s issue.

He was super fresh at the start of the blue and gold game.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I figured the season would start with

1. Bilal - JGH - JOK
2. Simon - Lamb - Moala

and that the two youngsters on the inside would work in and then eventually dominate their time-shares as the defacto starters if everything went well.

Looks like that might get accelerated, or totally thrown into the blender if Lea doesn't like what he's seeing early in the Summer.

I’m super impressed with Moala and wondering if he could move over to being and undersized Buck by fall.

Also, no mention of Bauer in the two deep. If healthy by end of fall camp I think he will be in two deep.


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[Irish YJ]

I’m super impressed with Moala and wondering if he could move over to being and undersized Buck by fall.

Also, no mention of Bauer in the two deep. If healthy by end of fall camp I think he will be in two deep.

I'm impressed with Moala too, just a little concerned about his height (and weight) when it comes to moving from Rover. Heard Bauer was a bit gimpy earlier, although I asked and nobody else seemed to hear the same. Really wish Kiser would have been healthy and in the mix.

Overall I'm happy there seems to be a lot of competition, but seems a little to blenderish to me. I always like seeing the coaches trying to find the best fit for kids, but it seems just about every LB has played musical position chairs, and that's a bit much for me lol. Hope they saw enough to slot guys, and let them focus on one position going forward.