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I know that there's no point in getting worked up over this because if we win out we're #3 at worst, BUT... this is a giant "fuck you" from the committee. How can we have the better win and one less loss and be ranked behind them? Can't tell me our win over Stanford is less impressive than theirs over Miss St. Miss St. Has 3 fucking losses! Florida has NO OFFENSE. How are these wins better than ours over Stanford?

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Because the committee has shown from day one that biggest win, SOS, head-to-head, worst loss, overall record, conference championship - resume, in other words - is not nearly as important to them as just straight up "Who do we think would beat whom?" It's not a math formula based on all that other stuff. It's who do they think would win. If they think A would beat B, then A gets ranked ahead of B. Period.

That being said, I think ND would beat LSU more often than not and would've put ND 3rd. I might even put Michigan and Oklahoma ahead of LSU. None of this really matters much at this point, though. LSU probably goes down this week and all ND has to do is keep winning and you're in. It'll all shake out over the next month.
 

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Bama needs to beat LSU. A one loss Bama is still making the playoffs, but as has been said already win out and we’re in.
 
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If Bama loses to Lsu, they will have gone the entire season beating zero teams of note.
 

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Bama needs to beat LSU. A one loss Bama is still making the playoffs.

yup. it would take 2 losses, and while i can see LSU at home getting lucky, i can't see KY or UGA beating Bama on a neutral field....
 

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Bama needs to beat LSU. A one loss Bama is still making the playoffs.

1. Clemson
2. SEC Champ LSU
3. Notre Dame
4. One-Loss B1G Champ Michigan(IF they beat Ohio St, big IF)

I don't see where Bama would have a leg to stand on. Michigan would have a few nice looking wins, Bama would have....Mississippi St?
 

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At first it’s looks like ND got shafted, but you know what? Win and we are in. LSU or Bama is going down this weeekend and this will put ND in #3.
With that being said, ND really needs to blow out NW, Syracuse and USC to solidify their position.
 

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Why? They are unbeaten.

A 1 point or 30 point win all counts the same.

Win out and it's not a question.

K.

I was saying that it was good that they’ll show up with an edge on the road in a potential trap game. What is complicated?
 

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This is double moronic.

1. ESPN doesn't run the committee.

2. ND is the biggest ratings draw on the planet. LSU is not. The TV ratings argument would help ND, not hurt us.

ND plays unranked NW this weekend, while Bama will be playing LSU. While ND garners attention on a week to week basis, even if they were 3 they wouldn't be as big of a draw THIS weekend.

Valid point that ESPN doesn't run the committee, but I think they know that since it will be worked out this weekend, why not pump it up as much as they can. Weak argument, but I still think my original claim, that for this weekend, it makes sense.
 

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1. Clemson
2. SEC Champ LSU
3. Notre Dame
4. One-Loss B1G Champ Michigan(IF they beat Ohio St, big IF)

I don't see where Bama would have a leg to stand on. Michigan would have a few nice looking wins, Bama would have....Mississippi St?

but... Bama..
but... SEC....

They don't have a really good win now and they are number 1. Best win now is at home over a 20something TAMU... they also have two cup cakes, and a 3rd coming up... it's all "eye test" at this point for them.
 

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1. Clemson
2. SEC Champ LSU
3. Notre Dame
4. One-Loss B1G Champ Michigan(IF they beat Ohio St, big IF)

I don't see where Bama would have a leg to stand on. Michigan would have a few nice looking wins, Bama would have....Mississippi St?

Think about it. It’s Bama and their resume over the last 7-8 years is unmatched. A loss to #3 LSU on the road will be looked at as an aberration. The committee shouldn’t take previous years into account but I think this is exactly what would happen here. Even with one loss I can’t see scUM being better than Bama.
 

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At first it’s looks like ND got shafted, but you know what? Win and we are in. LSU or Bama is going down this weeekend and this will put ND in #3.
With that being said, ND really needs to blow out NW, Syracuse and USC to solidify their position.

If Bama went down, i'd bet it would be Clemson, LSU, Bama, ND....
 

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SEC out of conference power 5 games played by the 6 ranked SEC teams (bama, LSU, georgia, Florida, miss st, and tamu): Wins: Louisville (2-6), miami (5-3), Kansas st (3-5) Losses: Clemson. That's it, that's what this great conference has accomplished. Totally justified to have them clog up the top 10.
 

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This is double moronic.

1. ESPN doesn't run the committee.

2. ND is the biggest ratings draw on the planet. LSU is not. The TV ratings argument would help ND, not hurt us.

But there is a bias in the fact that ND is not part of a conference and thus part of a big conference TV deal. Sure there is more money coming in for a single playoff game (possibly 2), but I think there is an underlying resentment to punish ND for being independent. The committee won’t blantantly leave a deserving ND team out but if there is a case for another team (even if it’s not a good one) to jump them it doesn’t surprise me that they take the opportunity.
 
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Alabama is going to wax LSU in a laughable, obvious way.

Meatchicken is NOT going to destroy Penn State and may lose.

At the very least, Michigan will not finish the season with only 1 loss.

It’s just not going to happen.

Michigan St. sucks. Wisconsin sucks. They are Stanford-type wins when Stanford went against WSU. Mediocre at best.

Which means we beat an above average Michigan team as our best game, but are nevertheless, undefeated (which means we are putting in work with what we have).

ND has to sack up and play big boy football versus a Northwestern team that has zero to lose and should have put the boot to Michigan and has the confidence that they can do what they should have done to them to us.

As long as we don’t get Purdu-nked, we should finish the season in the 3 spot (“easy” schedule and all).

I’m okay with 4 atm. We need to bury these next four teams. Plain and simple.

The SEC will always have people gleefully approving the “eye-test” on their nutsacks, until other conferences get their shit together and threaten with more mini-pro teams.

Clemson is gonna sleep through the rest of the season and stay at the 2 spot.

In the end, it will be:

#1 Alabama
#2 Clemson
#3 Notre Dame
#4 Georgia

Wild card version:
#1 Clemson
#2 Georgia
#3 Notre Dame
#4 Alabama

Good night until then... Committee stuff doesn’t matter with four weeks remaining.

Ps. We cannot lose a single game remaining on our schedule. Period. There is ZERO scenario they put is in the playoff with one loss. It just isn’t happening.

We haven’t exactly been putting teams to sleep with the fishes (Ball St., Vandy, Pitt) like our repeat counterparts in Bama or Clemson. And these Herbstreit-clone psychos doing the grading love their eye tests oh-so-much.

It’s win them all or bust.

So win ‘em all, ND. Put up or shut up time.
 
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Most of you just don't get it. You're so incredibly hung up on SOS, best win, worst loss, who they played, yada yada yada… data and resume. The committee doesn't give a damn about that stuff. It's like trying to decide who's the best heavyweight fighter based on their reach, footwork, hand speed, height, who they fought, etc., instead of looking at them, watching them fight, and then recognizing which of them is the baddest MF in gloves that you'd never bet against. Mike Tyson looked wrong in every way and hadn't beaten many fighters of note by the time he won the title, but everyone who knew ANYTHING about boxing knew he was unbeatable at that point and the best in the world. You could watch the guy work out in the gym and know what he was. I remember seeing him in his 4th or 5th pro fight against some nobody and my dad & I both saying he was the next world champ. We knew what we'd just seen. Cus knew, before Mike ever turned pro, what he was just by watching him, because he understood boxing. He had no resume to speak of, yet everyone who watched him knew.

It's the same in football. If you know anything about the game, you can tell what a team is regardless of who they play. They've been talking about this on ESPNU off & on for the past two weeks: Packer, Luginbill, Neuheisel, Zarzour, and all the rest - that if you understand what makes a team good, you can know who's bad, good or great, and which teams will beat which others just by watching them play, regardless of the opponent. You're noticing execution, attention to detail, speed, physicality, precision, etc., etc.

If you put the LA Rams in a GO5 conference and they only played the 104th toughest schedule in CFB and never played a ranked team, could you not still watch them play and quickly realize they were the best team in the country? If not, you understand football about as much as I understand 15th Century Mongolian poetry.

The committee doesn't put that much stock in resumes. They aren't impressed by prettiest resume. They look way beyond that and focus on how teams actually play and how good they are. They're focused on who would beat whom. Nobody in here would bet against Bama against any team in the country right now. Almost none of us would bet against Clemson against anyone besides Bama. When you get to ND, Michigan, LSU (and maybe UGA and Oklahoma) then you can reasonably argue for or against any of them versus each other, but not many of us would bet against any of them against any team outside that group. Screw resumes and FCS opponents and quality of wins and SOS and all the rest. Watch the damn teams and you'll know who'd likely win any game.
 
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Committee is a joke!

What this tells me is ND has to win each of their remaining game by 20+ and hope everyone else ends up with two loses. After beating Northwestern and Syracuse and knocking them out of the top 25, the committee will state that only one team (Michigan) ND beat is in the final top 25.

Likewise I don't care for the whole pony show-but I do want The Irish to finish undefeated even though I think its going to be ultra hard to do-these teams now will give blood to knock them out. Super Bowl every week from here on out for the opposition. Truth be told I'd like to have seen them rate us at 5 to put a real edge on the boys from here on out--Go get it done win em all and let the chips fall were they may.
 

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If LSU happens to beat Alabama, I bet LSU goes to 1 and Alabama to 4 staying ahead of ND pushing us to 5.

Alabama is in no matter what-just like last year-- even better for them if they do lose to LSU
 

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Most of you just don't get it. You're so incredibly hung up on SOS, best win, worst loss, who they played, yada yada yada… data and resume. The committee doesn't give a damn about that stuff. It's like trying to decide who's the best heavyweight fighter based on their reach, footwork, hand speed, height, who they fought, etc., instead of looking at them, watching them fight, and then recognizing which of them is the baddest MF in gloves that you'd never bet against. Mike Tyson looked wrong in every way and hadn't beaten many fighters of note by the time he won the title, but everyone who knew ANYTHING about boxing knew he was unbeatable at that point and the best in the world. You could watch the guy work out in the gym and know what he was. I remember seeing him in his 4th or 5th pro fight against some nobody and my dad & I both saying he was the next world champ. We knew what we'd just seen. Cus knew, before Mike ever turned pro, what he was just by watching him, because he understood boxing. He had no resume to speak of, yet everyone who watched him knew.

It's the same in football. If you know anything about the game, you can tell what a team is regardless of who they play. They've been talking about this on ESPNU off & on for the past two weeks: Packer, Luginbill, Neuheisel, Zarzour, and all the rest - that if you understand what makes a team good, you can know who's bad, good or great, and which teams will beat which others just by watching them play, regardless of the opponent. You're noticing execution, attention to detail, speed, physicality, precision, etc., etc.

If you put the LA Rams in a GO5 conference and they only played the 104th toughest schedule in CFB and never played a ranked team, could you not still watch them play and quickly realize they were the best team in the country? If not, you understand football about as much as I understand 15th Century Mongolian poetry.

The committee doesn't put that much stock in resumes. They aren't impressed by prettiest resume. They look way beyond that and focus on how teams actually play and how good they are. They're focused on who would beat whom. Nobody in here would bet against Bama against any team in the country right now. Almost none of us would bet against Clemson against anyone besides Bama. When you get to ND, Michigan, LSU (and maybe UGA and Oklahoma) then you can reasonably argue for or against any of them versus each other, but not many of us would bet against any of them against any team outside that group. Screw resumes and FCS opponents and quality of wins and SOS and all the rest. Watch the damn teams and you'll know who'd likely win any game.

Welcome to CFB where the rules are made up and the results don't matter.

I'm with you with teams that have identical records. But LSU has lost a game. There is no eye test that should outweigh losing one of your 12 data points.
 

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Welcome to CFB where the rules are made up and the results don't matter.

I'm with you with teams that have identical records. But LSU has lost a game. There is no eye test that should outweigh losing one of your 12 data points.

The results DO matter, but some people get too hung up on certain aspects of the results and miss the parts of it all that matter most and are most telling. It's like watching QB's and getting hung up on stats instead of who's actually the most effective and which one you'd want behind center if the fate of the world depended on winning the game.

I don't disagree with you about LSU. I said in an earlier post that I'd have put ND at #3 and think they'd beat LSU most of the time.
 

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The results DO matter, but some people get too hung up on certain aspects of the results and miss the parts of it all that matter most and are most telling. It's like watching QB's and getting hung up on stats instead of who's actually the most effective and which one you'd want behind center if the fate of the world depended on winning the game.

I don't disagree with you about LSU. I said in an earlier post that I'd have put ND at #3 and think they'd beat LSU most of the time.

The problem is, the committee "says" one thing (what we all get hung up on), and does another.
 

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The results DO matter, but some people get too hung up on certain aspects of the results and miss the parts of it all that matter most and are most telling. It's like watching QB's and getting hung up on stats instead of who's actually the most effective and which one you'd want behind center if the fate of the world depended on winning the game.

I don't disagree with you about LSU. I said in an earlier post that I'd have put ND at #3 and think they'd beat LSU most of the time.

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I think we pretty much agree though lol. ND should be #3.
 

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I found the LSU ranking funny because we beat them with one half of Book, less than a year ago...
 

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I think we pretty much agree though lol. ND should be #3.

We agree, but maybe for different reasons. I wouldn't put ND ahead of LSU because you're undefeated and they have a loss. I'm not dismissing their loss, but it's just a data point for me. I'd put ND ahead of them because I've watched both teams play and believe ND's actually better. If ND had been sloppy and lucky to be 8-0 while LSU had been killing people except for one hiccup, I'd put LSU ahead of you because I'd believe they were actually better, despite the blemish on their record. Right now though, I've seen enough of ND and every other top team that I'd favor you over everyone except Bama & Clemson. I think your D would embarrass LSU.
 

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Fun fact: no team ranked #3 in the first week of the rankings has made it into the CFP. LSU has taken our place as the sacrificial Lamb. This is a good thing. Beat LSU and we are back to number 3 again. Who does Clemson play? Maybe we should jump Clemson since they haven’t beat anybody yet and came within 40 seconds of getting beat at home by Syracuse. That is worse than a close win over Pitt who beat Cuse. Our win over UM was better than the score plus the wins over Ball State and Vandy were without not Dex and Book which has revamped the offense. Jus sayin
 

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yup. it would take 2 losses, and while i can see LSU at home getting lucky, i can't see KY or UGA beating Bama on a neutral field....

I remember watching Bama brutally hold Fournette to about 10 yards a few years ago (smashing his Heisman prospects in one game) and mentally noted never to tip against them in that match up again.
 

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In the end, it will be:

#1 Alabama
#2 Clemson
#3 Notre Dame
#4 Georgia

Wild card version:
#1 Clemson
#2 Georgia
#3 Notre Dame
#4 Alabama

Georgia isn't beating Bama and they are not getting in with two losses..

Realistically it is

1.Bama
2. Clemson
3. ND
4. Big Ten champ (Ohio St IMO)
 

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Most of you just don't get it. You're so incredibly hung up on SOS, best win, worst loss, who they played, yada yada yada… data and resume. The committee doesn't give a damn about that stuff. It's like trying to decide who's the best heavyweight fighter based on their reach, footwork, hand speed, height, who they fought, etc., instead of looking at them, watching them fight, and then recognizing which of them is the baddest MF in gloves that you'd never bet against. Mike Tyson looked wrong in every way and hadn't beaten many fighters of note by the time he won the title, but everyone who knew ANYTHING about boxing knew he was unbeatable at that point and the best in the world. You could watch the guy work out in the gym and know what he was. I remember seeing him in his 4th or 5th pro fight against some nobody and my dad & I both saying he was the next world champ. We knew what we'd just seen. Cus knew, before Mike ever turned pro, what he was just by watching him, because he understood boxing. He had no resume to speak of, yet everyone who watched him knew.

It's the same in football. If you know anything about the game, you can tell what a team is regardless of who they play. They've been talking about this on ESPNU off & on for the past two weeks: Packer, Luginbill, Neuheisel, Zarzour, and all the rest - that if you understand what makes a team good, you can know who's bad, good or great, and which teams will beat which others just by watching them play, regardless of the opponent. You're noticing execution, attention to detail, speed, physicality, precision, etc., etc.

If you put the LA Rams in a GO5 conference and they only played the 104th toughest schedule in CFB and never played a ranked team, could you not still watch them play and quickly realize they were the best team in the country? If not, you understand football about as much as I understand 15th Century Mongolian poetry.

The committee doesn't put that much stock in resumes. They aren't impressed by prettiest resume. They look way beyond that and focus on how teams actually play and how good they are. They're focused on who would beat whom. Nobody in here would bet against Bama against any team in the country right now. Almost none of us would bet against Clemson against anyone besides Bama. When you get to ND, Michigan, LSU (and maybe UGA and Oklahoma) then you can reasonably argue for or against any of them versus each other, but not many of us would bet against any of them against any team outside that group. Screw resumes and FCS opponents and quality of wins and SOS and all the rest. Watch the damn teams and you'll know who'd likely win any game.

We get it, the system is stupid. The fact that you have to come up with inane comparisons to Mike Tyson shows that the system is stupid. I've played sports my whole life, my kids play team sports all year round and win all the tournaments I've ever been to, nothing was ever decided by "eye test" and the other nonsense the committee spouts. Keep defending a broken system all you want.

If the committee is so damn good at knowing the best team, why has no #1 seed won the playoff yet?
 

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We get it, the system is stupid. The fact that you have to come up with inane comparisons to Mike Tyson shows that the system is stupid. I've played sports my whole life, my kids play team sports all year round and win all the tournaments I've ever been to, nothing was ever decided by "eye test" and the other nonsense the committee spouts. Keep defending a broken system all you want.

If the committee is so damn good at knowing the best team, why has no #1 seed won the playoff yet?

Well the only way to truly do it without having the "eye Test" is the Power 5 chams and highest rank non power 5 conference champ...

This would force ND to join a conference which I'm not in favor of
 
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