2017-2018 Notre Dame Men's Basketball
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Our guards are awful. We do not have a shooter right now. Every one of them tries to get to the basket every time they touch the ball. What the hell happened?
So bad. We are a One dimensional offensive Team. Our big can’t turn off his right shoulder. Our shooting guard can’t shoot right now. Our small forward can’t do anything but bounce off opposing players. Bonzie was good offensively, but was out of position nearly every other possession defensively . And I refuse to believe that that was Farrell for 38 minutes.
Farrell got into the paint, but they had no respect for us outside of 15 feet.
Farrell got into the paint, but they had no respect for us outside of 15 feet.
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OhioIrish31
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They will figure it out...still early!
I wonder how many elite eight teams, over the last 10 years, have lost to a middle of the road Mac school.
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Mike Brey Revisited thread, amirite?
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I can deal with a loss but frigging Ball State? ND needs a real big man that can dominate the boards but it seems they're usually hard to bring in. They've been few and far between over the years.
It feels like watching the FB team, so close but yet so far.
It feels like watching the FB team, so close but yet so far.
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Better get back on your meds.
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Team was flat - not sure why Geben hit the pine second half when he was so effective early? Mooney is not nearly the defender or rebounder (although the stats say othewise with 7 boards in 19 minutes) - and seems Marty is a better FT shooter by a large margin too. I suspect Brey is trying to give him some run to work on depth and see what he can do. Still a work in progress. Outrebounded 40-26 is pretty pathetic - Bonzi needs to spend more time cleaning glass than flashing at spot up shooters.
Farrell looks like he is still fighting a cold or something - no where near the normal energy except for a few flashes. If so, wtf is he doing out there for 39 minutes? Harvey looking lost again - kid needs to figure out how to contribute soon so he can take some minutes off the front court. Only six guys over 10 minutes last night is concerning - pretty much four played the whole game and Mooney/Geben split the five spot.
And I give Ball State credit - they shot very well with guys in their face. Game winner couldn't have been defended much better without fouling by Rex. Shouldn't have come down to that but oh well. Early season flat tire game - hate to see it at home though.
Farrell looks like he is still fighting a cold or something - no where near the normal energy except for a few flashes. If so, wtf is he doing out there for 39 minutes? Harvey looking lost again - kid needs to figure out how to contribute soon so he can take some minutes off the front court. Only six guys over 10 minutes last night is concerning - pretty much four played the whole game and Mooney/Geben split the five spot.
And I give Ball State credit - they shot very well with guys in their face. Game winner couldn't have been defended much better without fouling by Rex. Shouldn't have come down to that but oh well. Early season flat tire game - hate to see it at home though.
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This team is going to go as MF goes. We need significant improvement from our backcourt and some sort of production off the bench. Only reason to get outrebounded that badly by a Ball State team is a lack of effort. Looked like the Irish were just waiting for Ball State to roll over and die. We were extremely flat and Ball State was playing in their in state rivalry super bowl. Great thing about college basketball is the season isn't over because of this.
Because I'm a masochist, I watched a lot of the game again. They didn't take the 3 away, we turned it down. As much as it is an OOC game, I get that, it still showed some massive deficiencies in this team.
I was going to type up some big, long analysis on the team, but it really boils down to:
1.) On offense, the current strengths of each player do not work well in concert. For example, Matt Farrell is a penetrator that wants to collapse and dish (that's what he is at his core right now). But, if 3 of your 4 other options are guys who want to slash or attack the rim, and only want to take a semi-contested jumper as a last resort (or it's a weakness ), that's a problem. I think playing Mooney would be a huge step in the right direction, but that means you have to tell Bonzie to stop drifting so far away from the basket. Oh, and Farrell has to shot. A lot.
2.) Similar issues on defense, but this time our weaknesses seem to overlap and create huge opportunities for teams. Bonzie HAS to guard the post. He's an awful perimeter defender. But what do you do with Geben? Can Mooney or Burns guard the 4? When Geben was in, Ball State went 5 out, with the center used in pick and dive motion over and over. When Mooney was in, they isolated the post. They had us running around a pass behind rotation the entire game due to how much help they needed (Farrell when he was on Parsons) or how undisciplined they were (Colson anytime the ball was within 10 feet of him on the perimeter).
3.) We can't rebound.
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Kinda pumped for Ball State, but this loss gives you pause for sure.
There has been a TJ Gibbs sighting....
We're so much better when he's an actual option. It's either/or. He's either really good, or he's really bad, no in between.
Ya your right. When he’s on we look a lot different team. Up 6 now under 4 min TO and all basically cause of Gibbs. Has 9 of the last 12
Up 4 with 12 to go on IU.
1/3 of the way into the season, and I'm still amazed at how bad we can be offensively. This game shouldn't be close.
I'm not quite sure what Rex is bringing to the team right now. He's a good defensive player. Not elite. He's a good shooter, but refuses to shoot the ball. He's awful off the dribble.
I'd love to see the +/- with Mooney and Djogo compared to Geben and Rex.
1/3 of the way into the season, and I'm still amazed at how bad we can be offensively. This game shouldn't be close.
I'm not quite sure what Rex is bringing to the team right now. He's a good defensive player. Not elite. He's a good shooter, but refuses to shoot the ball. He's awful off the dribble.
I'd love to see the +/- with Mooney and Djogo compared to Geben and Rex.
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Rex’s shot looks so bad/awkward this year. Lots of air balls and bricks.
Teams are learning to simply double Bonzi every time and take their chances.
Our offense is painful to watch right now.
Teams are learning to simply double Bonzi every time and take their chances.
Our offense is painful to watch right now.